[Galayn Lord]

Well, seems like you're not busy now

[Path-Shaper]

Someone keeps bugging me about it so I keep having to reply to them instead of doing it...

[Path-Shaper]

Galayn Lord - Telas
Mockra - Telas
Rashan - Silanah
Omtose - Telas
Korlat - Silanah
Tennes - Telas
Anomandaris - Silanah
Gamelon - Silanah

There are 24 hours and 53 minutes left in Day 2.

These 15 are alive: Anomandaris, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kaschan, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

8 votes to lynch, 8 for night.
Votes:
4 for Telas - Galayn Lord, Mockra, Omtose, Tennes
4 for Silanah - Rashan, Korlat, Anomandaris, Gamelon

[Emurlahn]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 10:19 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 04:46 PM, said:

And this is why I am suspicious of GL. He made the case on Silanah and voted, and made some comments saying how he'd be happy to vote for a few other people. Today he's come on made the case on Telas, but if its not catching on he's happy to go for Silanah etc. It seems good solid symp behaviour from GL. We have this big mess with Korlat/Silanah/Telas and most of it has come from him.

I take offense with the last sentence, I have to say. But anyways.

You agree with me that of Silanah and Telas, the most scummy is Telas, and you find me suspicious? Why, because I say I would be happy to switch to Silanah? Well, of course I would be. There's two hypotheses here, one is that Silanah is a killer and that Telas is his symp, the other is that Telas is scummy and enjoys keeping poor Silanah around. Which one is it? Are you certain? I'm not.

Just because recent events don't fit with a case I made early yesterday just proves I might have been wrong/lucky then, nothing else.

Yes I find you suspicious - you have been more or less the instigator of the cases Silanahs and Telas. I'm not sure if its just because they're suspicious and your an eager case builder or your symp making cases and keeping attention away from your masters. I am not sure but rather than keeping my thoughts to myself, I thought it would be nice to share them with the group.

And yes I find Telas suspicous as well, but something isn't adding up with him, I'm not sure what. The coin flip thing is weird. There was a case on him yesterday (made by you I believe) and I can't say I liked the way he tracked Shadows Modkill either. Looking back he removed the vote on Silanah after Silanah remade his case on D'riss.

See Silanah has changed from being someone symping Korlat, to now being the killer and having Telas symp him. I don't like what i'm seeing something doesn't add up.

I note you miss the hypotheses out that Silanah is innocent which is my belief at this point, and Telas was convinced enough to hold off voting/changing his vote. But then why the coin flip? Thats strange. I'd like to hear from Telas.

[Emurlahn]

Rashan said:

i dont think it is ballsy, i think your reading too much into what i am saying or perhaps i am not being very clear. the way i see it, driss came out and went fake finder reveal, silanah(killer) went why are you bringing that up? and when questioned reacted badly to the pressure. it was only at the very start he was putting forward to look inno by making driss look bad. but when the pressure was on he was trapped into defending korlat and his reasonig (PI'ing korlat) is where th esuspicion grew out of.

like you say he could be a setup by the killers, but i made the point earlier that ina non cf game, they have no reason to try and divert lynches to keep people around until later when that lynch is so readily available. therefore a few players who could have hammered sil choose not too with vague and frankly ridiculous reasoning because even if they were inno and sil is inno and thats a big if right there, they should have realised that today would again revolve around the same players supected on day 1 and cost us another day and possibly two more nks.

that is why i dont think they are innos as it only benefits the killers and points to sil being evil.

See the problem I have, it was in fact I who brought up D'riss and why are you bringing that up. Silanah read it agreed and voted for him about it. I made pretty much the same arguments as Silanah but without the vote. Really it could easily be me and not Silanah under the pressure etc. Thats why I defending him, we both had thinking roughly from the same spot and responded to D'riss in simliar manners so I haven't managed to convince myself of Silanahs guilt, rather I beleive him innocent. He could be playing me of course - which is why I would like a nice well laid out case.

In a non CF game diverting lynches isn't that important I agree, so why would our potential Killer Silanah do it for Korlat? Killers on the same team? By why should Silanah sacrifice himself for Korlat? Both would be under suspicion then its not like defending Korlat is going to make people less suspicious of Korlat. Especially if your a Finder.

Anyway I am off to bed back in 12 hours or so.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 11 March 2009 - 04:11 PM

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

I note you miss the hypotheses out that Silanah is innocent which is my belief at this point, and Telas was convinced enough to hold off voting/changing his vote. But then why the coin flip? Thats strange. I'd like to hear from Telas.

I personally think its a bit odd that you think Telas is suspicious for symping Sil, completely disregaurding the fact that is could be fake symping, and hold true to the fact that Sil could not possibly have been symping Korlat(or fake symping Korlat) and consider him(Sil) to be innocent. Meanwhile you arent questioning the fact that Telas might think Sil is inno, like you do? Odd that.

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

In a non CF game diverting lynches isn't that important I agree, so why would our potential Killer Silanah do it for Korlat? Killers on the same team? By why should Silanah sacrifice himself for Korlat? Both would be under suspicion then its not like defending Korlat is going to make people less suspicious of Korlat. Especially if your a Finder.

Anyway I am off to bed back in 12 hours or so.

Ahh, but Sil didn't know he would be seen as defending too harshly, and thus judged a symp for Kolat when he popped in, would he?

[Emurlahn]

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

I note you miss the hypotheses out that Silanah is innocent which is my belief at this point, and Telas was convinced enough to hold off voting/changing his vote. But then why the coin flip? Thats strange. I'd like to hear from Telas.

I personally think its a bit odd that you think Telas is suspicious for symping Sil, completely disregaurding the fact that is could be fake symping, and hold true to the fact that Sil could not possibly have been symping Korlat(or fake symping Korlat) and consider him(Sil) to be innocent. Meanwhile you arent questioning the fact that Telas might think Sil is inno, like you do? Odd that.

Err that was the point I was making. That Telas was convinced enough of Silanahs innocence to hold off voting which is why he removed his vote after seeing the case. But then I question why bother doing a coin flip then and decide on that? Thats why I want to hear from Telas.

Really going this time.

[Galayn Lord]

No offense to Telas, Kaschan and Fener, but if they are inno who just thought that Silanah was inno too, they need to focus on the game more than themselves.

They couldn't convince us yesterday about Silanah, what was their plan? That we would go today, ah, ok guys, you're right, maybe we'll look somewhere else.

No, what happens is exactly what is happening now: we're still focused on Silanah, and now on them too. It's not like anything spectacular happened before the day time out, like finder reveal or some shit. No, just Silanah saying "I defended D'riss because I think he's PI", as if that explained it all.

If they're all inno that was serious bad play, and for something they don't even know for sure (it was day 1, so I can't even give them the benefit of doubt that they are finders that did an inno find on Silanah)

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 12:23 PM, said:

No, just Silanah saying "I defended D'riss because I think he's PI", as if that explained it all.

It was Korlat he defended.

[Galayn Lord]

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 06:27 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 11 2009, 12:23 PM, said:

No, just Silanah saying "I defended D'riss because I think he's PI", as if that explained it all.

It was Korlat he defended.

Indeed, sorry about that.

[Rashan]

Emurlahn, on Mar 11 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

Rashan said:

i dont think it is ballsy, i think your reading too much into what i am saying or perhaps i am not being very clear. the way i see it, driss came out and went fake finder reveal, silanah(killer) went why are you bringing that up? and when questioned reacted badly to the pressure. it was only at the very start he was putting forward to look inno by making driss look bad. but when the pressure was on he was trapped into defending korlat and his reasonig (PI'ing korlat) is where th esuspicion grew out of.

like you say he could be a setup by the killers, but i made the point earlier that ina non cf game, they have no reason to try and divert lynches to keep people around until later when that lynch is so readily available. therefore a few players who could have hammered sil choose not too with vague and frankly ridiculous reasoning because even if they were inno and sil is inno and thats a big if right there, they should have realised that today would again revolve around the same players supected on day 1 and cost us another day and possibly two more nks.

that is why i dont think they are innos as it only benefits the killers and points to sil being evil.

See the problem I have, it was in fact I who brought up D'riss and why are you bringing that up. Silanah read it agreed and voted for him about it. I made pretty much the same arguments as Silanah but without the vote. Really it could easily be me and not Silanah under the pressure etc. Thats why I defending him, we both had thinking roughly from the same spot and responded to D'riss in simliar manners so I haven't managed to convince myself of Silanahs guilt, rather I beleive him innocent. He could be playing me of course - which is why I would like a nice well laid out case.

In a non CF game diverting lynches isn't that important I agree, so why would our potential Killer Silanah do it for Korlat? Killers on the same team? By why should Silanah sacrifice himself for Korlat? Both would be under suspicion then its not like defending Korlat is going to make people less suspicious of Korlat. Especially if your a Finder.

Anyway I am off to bed back in 12 hours or so.

difference is you didnt PI korlat - you like many of us didnt think it was a fake finder reveal just a joke. silanah actually said korlat was PI. thats the difference and you seem to be doing a good job of ignoring that.

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Mar 11 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

Silanah, on Mar 11 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

I forgot to clarify: I'm willing to vote for Telas, but I've seen a lot of votes on him already and would like there to be some discussion today before we rush into anything.

really, cause i thought you were best bet for today.

With the vote standing at 4-4, it seems pretty even to me. And as you might expect, there's no way in hell I'm voting for myself in this situation. That coin flip was damn dodgy, which is the only way I can rationalize what I'm doing as not hypocritical. Otherwise I'm just doing exactly what Korlat was doing and turning on the person convinced of my innocence. That little kernel of thought in the back of my mind that thinks the same phenomenon might be occuring makes me think, as I have previously outlined, that broadening the field of discussion might not be a bad idea. So I'm going to have a look at the people on my train - I'd expect there to be two scum on there, one from each team.

[Galain]

hmmm, so no lynch occured thanks to some weird 11th hour happenings.

Telas- highest poster, GL's case shows many 1 liners, and the coin flip about vote? very strange
D'riss- two deaths correlate to his train, though NKs are usually wifom.
Sil- still on the list for same things as yesterday- heavily defending Korlat. Though the added miss of a lynch with 3 people able to vote doing nothing seems worse. Though I'm not sure why a killer would go and stick their neck so far out to become a lynch target 2 days in a row. It doesn't make sense unless Sil knew that we would think this and thus be safe for a bit. Though that seems too complex.
Korlat- target from yesterday has dropped off the radar. A very good diversion by Sil yesterday or cleared as inno now?

I will vote Telas, since he has been acting strangely and I think this may be our best bet.

[Serc]

I'm still not convinced of anything regarding Silanah and Korlat. But that's actually a good reason to hold off on them.


Vote Telas


For the bizarre end-of-Day voting/not-voting, and for too many contentless one-line posts that were obviously designed to keep up a post count without contributing anything, or saying anything that could be pinned on him. Which backfired once he got involved in the train.

[Anomandaris]

What is that? L-2 with 20 hours left? Whats the rush? I for one would like to hear from Korlat who hasn't been around much at all today. So does anyone want to hold off in case a couple of scum havent added their votes yet? Geesh!

[Gamelon]

I am quiet suspicious about why Telas posted his little coin flip quip. But I think that he is a symp and that Silanah or D'riss is his master. It is more probable that Silanah is his master due to the fact that D'riss wasn't close to being hammered. If Telas is Silanah's symp then there is no way that he would hammer him and would do everything he could to keep his master alive. If Silanah wasn't his master then he would have hammered him in a minute and not removed his vote.

We know that at least one of the 3 trains yesterday was on a member of scum. Because none of the trains were really able to build up steam till the very end and even then there wasn't a lynch. There is no way that scum would pass up getting a lynch this early in the game unless it was one of their own on the line.

We missed the lynch on Silanah and so we need to lynch him again. Not lynching him leaves us open to allowing him a free pass. Do you remember all of those games were JA came so close to being lynched on day one only for the lynch to drift away to someone else at the very last minute or not happen at all. Well I for one am not willing to be in that scenario again.

I do not think that Telas is our best bet. I think that he is probably a symp. A killer would have let that lynch go through. A symp would pull his vote and make sure that a lynch on his master did not go through. An innocent would lynch but say that he didn't feel right about it but that you have to lynch on day one. Telas did not do that. Instead he pulled his vote and we didn't get a lynch. That screams symp protecting his master to me. A paired killer team would accept the loss and keep going. But a symp can't let his master die.

I am voting for Silanah and will not move my vote to Telas. I believe that Telas is Silanah's symp and that it would be a wasted lynch to lynch him when we have his probable master in our sights.

[Gamelon]

Anomandaris, on Mar 11 2009, 08:49 PM, said:

What is that? L-2 with 20 hours left? Whats the rush? I for one would like to hear from Korlat who hasn't been around much at all today. So does anyone want to hold off in case a couple of scum havent added their votes yet? Geesh!

Actually it will have been 52 hours with out a lynch. We are still going over the same shit we went over yesterday but this time there seems to be quiet a few people driving the Telas lynch. We don't need more time to talk stuff over we just need people to think about the real reason that telas was acting like he was at the end of the day. Come on people a innocent would have lynched. A killer would have lynched his partner only a symp wouldn't lynch is master. What telas did was a last minute save of silanah. That is it nothing more. Don't be sheep think people. Why does someone remove a vote with very little time left then post some nonsense about coin tosses. Because he is trying to keep his master alive. That is the only reason.

[Gamelon]

I know that there are 4 others on here. Talk. Don't make me sing my song again. It will be longer this time.

[Silanah]

I have to apologize guys, I was writing up my review of the people on my train, went off to dinner meaning to finish it when I got back only to find that my computer had for some reason rebooted in my absence. I'm busy this evening so probably won't be able to get it up until later. Sorry about that.