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Posted 05 March 2009 - 02:55 PM

Ammiano wants to make marijuana legal in state

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California would become the first state in the nation to legalize marijuana for recreational use under a bill introduced Monday by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco.

The proposal would regulate marijuana like alcohol, with people over 21 years old allowed to grow, buy, sell and possess cannabis - all of which is barred by federal law.

Ammiano, a Democrat in his third month as a state lawmaker, said taxes and other fees associated with regulation could put more than a billion dollars a year into state coffers at a time when revenues continue to decline.

He said he thinks the federal government could soften its stance on marijuana under the Obama administration.

"We could in fact have the political will to do something, and certainly in the meantime this is a public policy call and I think it's worth the discussion," Ammiano said. "I think the outcome would be very healthy for California and California's economy."

A spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Agency in Washington, D.C., declined to comment on the proposal. A White House spokesman referred to a statement on a question-and-answer section of an Obama transition team blog that says the president "is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

While Californians have shown some tolerance for marijuana, such as use for medical conditions with voters' passage of Proposition 215 in 1996, the proposal will face tough opposition in Sacramento.

A lobbyist for key police associations in the state called it "a bad idea whose time has not come."

"The last thing our society needs is yet more legal intoxicants," said John Lovell, who represents the California Peace Officers' Association, California Police Chiefs Association and California Narcotic Officers' Association. "We've got enough social problems now when people aren't in charge of all five of their senses."

But Ammiano's proposal has the support of San Francisco Sheriff Michael Hennessey, who said the idea "should be the subject of legislative and public debate."

It also has the backing of Betty Yee, who chairs the state Board of Equalization, which collects taxes in California. An analysis by the agency concluded the state would collect $1.3 billion a year from tax revenues and a $50-an-ounce levy on retail sales if marijuana were legal.

The analysis also concluded that legalizing marijuana would drop its street value by 50 percent and increase consumption of the substance by 40 percent.

A spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, which advocates for reform in marijuana laws and is backing Ammiano's proposal, said any expected increase in consumption is a "false notion."

"They are making an intuitive assumption that a lot of people make that really does not have that much evidence behind it," said Bruce Mirken, the group's spokesman, who predicted it could take up to two years before the idea wins legislative approval.

"Don't tell me that doing something like (this) proposal is going to introduce another drug into society. That's a load of bull."


Can you freakin' imagine?! If California makes pot legal, this will be huge! One could only hope Canada would then follow... 1.3 billion per year is a lot of money.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:04 PM

I think a more appropriate "middle step" would be to lower the criminal penalties, but not necessarily legalize it. Fine people a few hundred bucks for dealing, but don't jail them. This gives the state some money and saves court time and wasted money incarcerating a rather petty crime.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:07 PM

here's hoping. If any state can do it, Cali can.

And yes...once we git the narrow-eyed lego-hair-having wanktard out of the PM's seat it could happen here in Canada too.

Fuck, at least try it. If it doesn't work out then make it illegal again. It's not going to plunge an entire generation into chaos or anything.

The article forgot to mention the billions that would be saved not prosecuting and incarcerating marijuana users/sellers too
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:09 PM

http://blog.norml.org/2009/02/26/us-attorn...l-pot-policies/

The road is clearer than it's been in the past, but I still believe that to actually legalize it in any state other than California is going to be a very long, uphill battle.

Eventually, I'd like to see it regulated like tobacco and taxed accordingly. Definitely no to legalizing gakk and the other harder drugs.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:47 PM

Why legalize it? Seriously, Im asking. Why would it be a good idea to let people get high. Also if its legalized for over 21 I imagine it will be really easy for under 21 year olds to get ahold of
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:51 PM

It's really easy to get hold of now.

Why let people get high? Why let people get drunk or smoke? It's their choice, it would still be illegal to drive under the influence etc.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 03:51 PM

View Postcerveza_fiesta, on Mar 5 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

here's hoping. If any state can do it, Cali can.

And yes...once we git the narrow-eyed lego-hair-having wanktard out of the PM's seat it could happen here in Canada too.

Fuck, at least try it. If it doesn't work out then make it illegal again. It's not going to plunge an entire generation into chaos or anything.

The article forgot to mention the billions that would be saved not prosecuting and incarcerating marijuana users/sellers too


Remember that you wouldn't release those in jail for it already, and you would still have DUI's for weed. The thing is, since the tests detect it between two weeks and a month after use, if the cop pulled you over for suspicion and took you in, then made you do a drug test, if you had used it two weeks ago you could be screwed.

There is apparently no way to determine if you are currently high or not. Let me rephrase that, no way beyond personal judgement to determine if you are currently high or not.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 04:00 PM

Why not legalize it? I understand there are some concerns over pot, but they're no worse than any you could throw out there for liquor or cigarettes. I can honestly say 99% of people I regularly spend time with have or continue to smoke pot and it hasn't ruined their life whatsoever. Those on marijuana aren't violent, at most they eat a lot. It's also a helluva lot cheaper. I can spend 5 bucks and it'll last me an entire night (sparingly), I can't say the same of liquor. Besides, so much time and money has been put into "stopping the problem" it's ridiculous.

I was reading a few articles after Michael Phelps had that picture published of him smoking a bong. In South Carolina you face a hefty fine and up to 30 days in jail for just under an ounce (28 grams), which is absurd! Hell, I usually have an ounce for just a personal stash. The same place also apparently fines you $500 for things like a pipe/bong/etc. I can't even imagine the reasoning behind this.

You can pretty much get away with smoking pot anywhere in my city now. So long as you're not being obnoxious and selling it in the open the cops don't care. During the outdoor concerts Halifax has each summer you can walk by a cop smoking a joint and all they'll do is laugh and shake their heads. Hell, even our politicians outside of the backwards conservatives agree. My roommate was smoking a joint on the steps of parliament in Ottawa and had Jack Layton (leader of NDP) run into him. You know what his reaction was? "Hey boys. That stuff still isn't legal? Well don't you worry about it." And then he winked and smiled! I fully expect to see it legalized in my life, possibly within the next 10 years if California goes through with their plan.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 05:48 PM

I would say liquor is an argument that people cant be trusted with drugs not the opposite. Im not suggesting we ban alcohol. Its too late to put the cat in the bag on that one. But let people smoke pot? Also I dont want to make a lsippery argument but why marijuana and not cough syrup or sniffing glue. Both are legal both are obviouslt easy to get ahold of but if your using either to get high theirs a problem
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 06:47 PM

View PostCause, on Mar 5 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

I would say liquor is an argument that people cant be trusted with drugs not the opposite. Im not suggesting we ban alcohol. Its too late to put the cat in the bag on that one. But let people smoke pot? Also I dont want to make a lsippery argument but why marijuana and not cough syrup or sniffing glue. Both are legal both are obviouslt easy to get ahold of but if your using either to get high theirs a problem


Go ahead and try that one... see if it works as well as it did in the U.S.

The only problem with legalization would be finding a way to determine the the amount that has currently been smoked and is impairing driving or operating ability. For some reason I don't think the "Funyon's" Field Munchiness Test is going to work...
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:43 PM

Yes I know. Which is why i said its too late
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:46 PM

The driving issue is pretty much the only big concern I have, yet I can't think of any one thing that could fix the problem. Perhaps something along the lines of a sensory test, where they make you do different things to measure your reaction time.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:58 PM

View PostFezzik, on Mar 5 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

I think a more appropriate "middle step" would be to lower the criminal penalties, but not necessarily legalize it. Fine people a few hundred bucks for dealing, but don't jail them. This gives the state some money and saves court time and wasted money incarcerating a rather petty crime.


Nope! that is the wrong way to do it cos it'll still be in criminal hands. No sir! Better go all the way and tax it like cigarettes and alcohol. About bloody time. I gave up not inhaling years ago and to be honest I'm only marginally dumber that i was before. I do however hear voices and sometimes find myself in the woods with a bloody knife and no idea how I got there...

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:05 AM

Make it legal and tax the crap out of it to make some money.
Also, ive smoked it a few times, and the friends i use to hang out with who smoked and still smoke, they dont go driving around, they sit on the couch, eating snack food all night, watching movies that are 10x funnier while high and laughin there ass off.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:11 AM

So are you attempting to argue that people who would smoke this, if it's legalized, won't drive anywhere?
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:26 AM

Well, another problem with legalization is how in the past 10 years or so there have been big movements in the states and cities for the sake of public health to ban smoking tobacco in restaurants and public places.

If you go and legalize a whole other form of smoking, isn't that sending a mixed message?
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:30 AM

That its okay to smoke dope?!?
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:30 AM

Not if you say you can't use it in any of these other places... I don't see what the mixed-message is there, Shin.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:33 AM

That it's ok to smoke, period. If we move towards socialized health care in the US, that'll be a whole new mass of smoking related health conditions that the taxpayer can pay for.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:35 AM

The message being

SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU.


....but we're going to go ahead and legalize a whole other form of it!
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