[Galayn Lord]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

@GL: So what you're saying is, this game is too confusing and we should all give up now?

@Amp: Point of information - were I indeed GL's first, then telling everyone to target me would result in my death due to the other two firsts attacking me. Not the best plan on his part .

no
I never said YOU should give up.

you should figure it out and then explain it to me.

[Liosan]

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

[Anomandaris]

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

Ok have just checked around the korlat kaschan thing, and while orignally Kaschan seemed to me to not have anything to do with it whatsoever , the subsequent reactions of Korlat and Kaschan make me wonder if there might actually be something there that was randomly stumbled upon.

Kaschan reacted as any one would when someone is trying to start a train on him. However, Korlats reaction added merit to the case, but its soooo tenuous.

I prefer to wait until our sleeping players have added to the debate before voting.

[Galayn Lord]

anyhow, i'm off to do some more work. RL's a harsh bitch of a mistress.

you will have to make due without my stellar wisdom for the next little while.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

anyhow, i'm off to do some more work. RL's a harsh bitch of a mistress.

you will have to make due without my stellar wisdom for the next little while.

We'll struggle on, I'm sure

[Anomandaris]

Well, I'm off for the evening.

[Path-Shaper]

If anyone has any questions ask them in pm, but you all seem to have a good grasp of things, so carry on

[Telas]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 06:22 PM, said:

Telas, on Feb 10 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

400 posts. A-holy-crap! Catching up now.

Hey, haven't seen that alt in a while...

yeah, I havent been able to play much lately

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Feb 10 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

anyhow, i'm off to do some more work. RL's a harsh bitch of a mistress.

you will have to make due without my stellar wisdom for the next little while.

We'll struggle on, I'm sure

Haha, seems you were wrong - we just went 15 minutes with only a P-S post. Seems we need Galain or GL around for anything to happen at all...


EDIT: Crosspost with the Eye of Sauron

This post has been edited by Fener: 10 February 2009 - 05:38 PM

[Fener]

Telas, on Feb 10 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 06:22 PM, said:

Telas, on Feb 10 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

400 posts. A-holy-crap! Catching up now.

Hey, haven't seen that alt in a while...

yeah, I havent been able to play much lately

Haha, well glad to have you back, I guess .

[Hood's Path]

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

Actually, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, Firsts can't kill 3rds outright, they have to team up with another 3rd or a 7th. I think a previous version of the mechanics had it that firsts could kill thirds on their own and perhaps that's the intention, but the wording as it is suggests otherwise to me. Mod clarification please?

In any case, surely we've exhausted this line of thinking regarding how many deaths we can hypothetically achieve with this setup?

Bottom line is there could be some serious carnage at night but it's unlikely to happen all at once due to the risk of targetting a higher rank or someone in your own faction.

edit: *sigh* cross-posted again - sorry Path-Shaper. I'll take it to PM then

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 10 February 2009 - 05:48 PM

[Liosan]

Hood's Path, on Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

Actually, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, Firsts can't kill 3rds outright, they have to team up with another 3rd or a 7th. I think a previous version of the mechanics had it that firsts could kill thirds on their own and perhaps that's the intention, but the wording as it is suggests otherwise to me. Mod clarification please?

In any case, surely we've exhausted this line of thinking regarding how many deaths we can hypothetically achieve with this setup?

Bottom line is there could be some serious carnage at night but it's unlikely to happen all at once due to the risk of targetting a higher rank or someone in your own faction.

No anyone can kill the people directly under them.  A third needs to team up with a first in order to kill a first . same with the lower ranks.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

Actually, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, Firsts can't kill 3rds outright, they have to team up with another 3rd or a 7th. I think a previous version of the mechanics had it that firsts could kill thirds on their own and perhaps that's the intention, but the wording as it is suggests otherwise to me. Mod clarification please?

In any case, surely we've exhausted this line of thinking regarding how many deaths we can hypothetically achieve with this setup?

Bottom line is there could be some serious carnage at night but it's unlikely to happen all at once due to the risk of targetting a higher rank or someone in your own faction.

No anyone can kill the people directly under them. A third needs to team up with a first in order to kill a first . same with the lower ranks.

I read it differently. A third who targets a first at night will die, provided that the first he targets hasn't been targetted by the other two firsts and thus is already dead.


EDIT: for clarity

This post has been edited by Fener: 10 February 2009 - 05:51 PM

[Tennes]

Anomandaris, on Feb 10 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

Galain, on Feb 10 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

There are 24 people playing.
Yet Kaschan randomly picks the two that happened to be involved in possible signalling earlier?

I think its possible that Tennes is First and Ano is third.

Admittedly not much, but it seemed a little odd.

w00t! A "case" against me, but even worse than your first case

Snipped the first bit about signalling as not even the dumbest player would be that obvious.

But the above bit:

There are not 24 people playing at the moment as only 12 or so have turned up. Therefore its highly likely that posts will be directed at people actually playing the game rather than people still in bed, at work whatever.

But the clincher - if Tennes was the 1st and I was the 3rd I'd PM the bugger rather than signalling him!!!

edit: spelling

Best. Case. Ever.

[Telas]

Ok, caught up So much spam, and some sillyness. The rules seem pretty simple, but I guess they could be resolved in a couple of different ways. Just to make sure - the firsts can only kill thirds? I thought they could kill anyone.

[Liosan]

the firsts can only kill a third by themselves.
If a first and a third challenge another first, then that first dies.
If 2 firsts challenge the other then that first dies.

[Telas]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

Actually, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, Firsts can't kill 3rds outright, they have to team up with another 3rd or a 7th. I think a previous version of the mechanics had it that firsts could kill thirds on their own and perhaps that's the intention, but the wording as it is suggests otherwise to me. Mod clarification please?

In any case, surely we've exhausted this line of thinking regarding how many deaths we can hypothetically achieve with this setup?

Bottom line is there could be some serious carnage at night but it's unlikely to happen all at once due to the risk of targetting a higher rank or someone in your own faction.

No anyone can kill the people directly under them. A third needs to team up with a first in order to kill a first . same with the lower ranks.

I read it differently. A third who targets a first at night will die, provided that the first he targets hasn't been targetted by the other two firsts and thus is already dead.


EDIT: for clarity

That's how I understood it. Target above you gets yourself killed. Target below you get them killed. Target on your level does nothing unless someone else on your level also targets them. Dunno bout the 'cant kill two levels below' thing, but I'll prob crosspost with a clarification. It makes sense though, since it would make it harder for the firsts and thirds to spot each other.

[Liosan]

although if a bm,7th or 3rd challenge a 1st that isnt in a challenge with another first then they die

[Hood's Path]

Fener, on Feb 10 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Actually i think the most deaths would be if all of the sevenths and Blackmasks end up targetting 1sts, and the 1sts all kill the thirds. That would be 20 deaths i think.

Actually, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, Firsts can't kill 3rds outright, they have to team up with another 3rd or a 7th. I think a previous version of the mechanics had it that firsts could kill thirds on their own and perhaps that's the intention, but the wording as it is suggests otherwise to me. Mod clarification please?

In any case, surely we've exhausted this line of thinking regarding how many deaths we can hypothetically achieve with this setup?

Bottom line is there could be some serious carnage at night but it's unlikely to happen all at once due to the risk of targetting a higher rank or someone in your own faction.

No anyone can kill the people directly under them. A third needs to team up with a first in order to kill a first . same with the lower ranks.

I read it differently. A third who targets a first at night will die, provided that the first he targets hasn't been targetted by the other two firsts and thus is already dead.


EDIT: for clarity

As it turns out, Liosan is right. Just got clarification from Path-Shaper. So 1sts can kill 3rds outright, and will guard 7ths and Blackmasks, and so on. Only the 1sts require teamwork to kill.

[Fener]

Liosan, on Feb 10 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

If a first and a third challenge another first, then that first dies.

Pretty sure this is wrong. The third dies because he challenged a first, and the first challenging the first does nothing.


EDIT: Crosspost. I'm off for lunch now, back later to discuss.

This post has been edited by Fener: 10 February 2009 - 06:06 PM