[Ozymandiac]

Hey, I'm reading this book at the moment, and loving it 8) , but I have a question: do you know what Reve means? Throughout the book, the Reve of Fener is mentioned. Sometimes it is The Reve of Fener, or the 12th Reve, or something like that. Is it a rule?
Thanks in advance

[Bauchelain the Evil]

The Reve is a code of rules that have to be respected by the followers of Fener(in this case). Presumably there's a book with all these rules.

[Ozymandiac]

Ok thanks

[Seguleh 1st]

interesting. now i know at least a bit more, though i had guessed as much.

[clairvoyant85]

Rêve is French for Dream.

And in the German Books it is translated into "Traum" wich is German for Dream

[Denerynn]

That's a good point.

However, rules would be a better translation of it. If you take the example of the "12th Reve", then he has to be a rule.

[Wampyry]

Ozymandiac, on Jan 24 2009, 07:26 AM, said:

Hey, I'm reading this book at the moment, and loving it 8) , but I have a question: do you know what Reve means? Throughout the book, the Reve of Fener is mentioned. Sometimes it is The Reve of Fener, or the 12th Reve, or something like that. Is it a rule?
Thanks in advance

have to admit I have forgotten exactly what context Reve was used. However, from a dictionary
point of view, Reve is a stewart which fits in lines with the people being Reves or stewards to
various Ascedents or Gods.

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 17 April 2009 - 02:02 AM

[Dolorous Menhir]

Is it linked to revenant?

[Aptorian]

Who?

[Skywalker]

Dolorous Menhir, on Apr 18 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

Is it linked to revenant?

Not related to revenant... (which literally means "one who comes back" and is from re + latin venire {to come})

Now I was under the impression that it means a set of rules too... and it does mean "Dream" in French. Interestingly one of the meanings of "Reve" is also officer/ bailiff or steward or some such... which might apply in some cases.

However, I remember when re-reading MOI for the nth time in the not quite recent past that "Fener's Reve" is best read as "Fener's Revelation"... whether as a set of rules, philosophy, code of ethics, or vision.

[IWishIWasBlank]

As you read further, I believe the other gods have reves as well. Pops up in MoI IIRC

Spoiler

with the death of the Mortal Sword and Destriant to Fener, fall of Shield Anvil Itkovian, loss of Fener as a god and rise of Treach/Trake as a new god on the throne vacated and creation of the new Destriant, Mortal Sword and Shield Anvil to him

.

[MTS]

Just because there's a Destriant, Mortal Sword and Shield Anvil doesn't imply a Reve. There are other instances where gods have those positions filled (

Spoiler

Redmask, KCCM Destriant-lady (forget her name), Heboric, Rhulad etc.

, but would not necessarily have a Reve. That seems to be more involved with priesthoods and such. Fener had a huge following, so there was a clerical rulebook, kinda like the Ten Commandments. I imagine Hood would have a Reve, or something similar, but where there isn't a set priesthood or a large following, is there a need?

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 28 May 2009 - 02:56 PM

[IWishIWasBlank]

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on May 28 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

but where there isn't a set priesthood or a large following, is there a need?

Spoiler

It was mentioned in MoI that there was an either uprising or revival in the following of Treach/Trake that had died down before the fall of Fener and Treach/Trake taking the throne, almost like the Empire was getting ahead of its own plan, though even whoever it was making the comment was skeptical the Empire was that clever in bringing one god out of the throne and placing another one in it.

[MTS]

You don't need to spoiler things from MoI in the MoI forum, only things from HoC onward.

Who says that? The Empire had nothing to do with the ascension of Treach to replace Fener. Heboric brought down Fener in DG, the throne was vacant and needed to be filled, T&F were lost, so Treach goes and gets eviscerated by some KCCM in order to ascend. There was no concerted plan, iirc, about worshipping Treach as a god of war. Treach didn't ascend because of the revival of worship, it was just a corollary.

[D'rek]

IWishIWasBlank, on May 28 2009, 08:33 PM, said:

Mappo's Travelling Sack, on May 28 2009, 09:56 AM, said:

but where there isn't a set priesthood or a large following, is there a need?

Spoiler

It was mentioned in MoI that there was an either uprising or revival in the following of Treach/Trake that had died down before the fall of Fener and Treach/Trake taking the throne, almost like the Empire was getting ahead of its own plan, though even whoever it was making the comment was skeptical the Empire was that clever in bringing one god out of the throne and placing another one in it.

I remember something like that, a revival of sorts in some cities, more people joining the Treach cult, etc etc but I don't think it was in any way related to the Malazan Empire, it was just a temple thing. Any chance you can provide a quote?

[Sanctume]

From what I understood, Hebronic in DG made Fener mortal or fall.

And MOI is suppose to happen about the same time as DG.

Early in MOI, the temple of Trake/Treach in Darujistan had become active, and there was that merchant who sold the Torcs to Antsy(?) or one of the BB. This turned out as some plan of Trake to deliver the torcs to Gruntle.

[Kellanved]

From what I can remember the Daru temple of Trench did begin to prosper (atleast that's what the creator of Gruntle's torcs said) and commisioned a merchant to create the Torc meant for the mortal sword of Trench. It's was Corporal Picker who delivered the torcs to Gruntle in Capustan.

[Mekeritrig]

The bit about Malazan Treach worship comes in one of the chapter headings. I was just listening through it; I forget exactly where but it's in track 25 or 26 of 31.

[Hood's Legacy]

Heboric bringing down Fener to Wu is akin to fighting a Whale on Land. We do know that Fener is on the mortal realm. Other than that, there is no other indication of what happened to Fener. Necessity required that the next most powerful ascendant/entity Treach be the next in line to occupy the throne of war. Treach, one of the first soletaken was a powerful ascendant who in his death (apparent, nowhere it is mentioned that Treach actually dies. He only mentions to the nearby person that he is dying, not dead) became the Lord of War. Who/what conspired to bring about a sudden revival of faith in Treach and thereby ascend him to godhood is still unknown. And also, on another note, if you notice the Bridgeburners also ascend upon dying due to the Tanno spiritsong. Excellencies ( ), Ammanas and Cotiollion also ascended to godhood as they were about to die. There is a common vein to all this. Is it required that you shed the body/existence on Wu to reach the next level in power. Say, for instance you have come by a lot of power aspected to an entity/element. However, your physical form is too frail to contain it. When you die, are you elevated to another form which can contain that power as per your power level/necessity (think Tiam).
They say that even gods can be killed and Hood awaits them all.. By ascension during death, does it actually mean that you have gathered enough power to even defy even Death's cold clutches .( I know.., sorry ) If they have gathered enough power, then when the gods die, why do they enter Hood's realm.. This seems to careening off. If anyone has any sources/material on ascendancy and life after death in Wu, please guide me to it.

[All4Rake]

clairvoyant85, on 01 February 2009 - 12:48 PM, said:

Rêve is French for Dream.

And in the German Books it is translated into "Traum" wich is German for Dream

I thought it might be related to a Saxon word "reeve" - public official charged specifically with keeping the King’s peace. Saxon Brittain had King's reeves and shire reeves, the term lately evolved into modern sheriffs.

Under such an assumption Reve might be a set of rules indeed.