[Mockra]

modkills are 36 hours now, so he has time

but he's been on every lynch so far, I think, and he's another one of those trying not to raise any suspicions at all

[Anomandaris]

Liosan, on Jan 27 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Without the quotes even i think thats a mess and that is going on in my head. Sorry if that is very hard to respond to but it is very hard to explain in a way that will make sense to others. That though in essence is why i do not trust you and think you are a necro. The cf issue is what concerned me most on read through, after we lost the cf i made my rant (which earned me a pm) and then tried to continue playing without it. You seemed fixated on it, and from past experience if someone discusses something to death it is because they are somehow closely linked to it in some way.

I think it is up to people to decide, they can try and read my big case and see where i am coming from or they can look at your answers to just the bullet points i have made. for me both are compelling enough to warrant the vote.

Haha, forgive me for fighting tooth and nail on this one, because I really want to avoid us wasting a lynch on me (sorry if that's laying it on a bit thick...but it's true! )


I know what you mean about people constantly returning to something that is their fault, but I don't think it necessarily follows that someone who does continually bring something up must be in some way related to it. Allow me to offer an alternative explanation: my fixation on the lack of CF is mostly because I've not actually played a game without it before, and consequently have devoted a lot of thought to its ramifications.

I must also ask what you mean by your second paragraph. Did you feel that my answers were scummy enough to warrant a vote? I tried to be as honest and straightforward about the points as I could...

[Shadow]

OK, that was a really fun read. This is why I play Mafia

@Liosan Good case building and I def. think That Anno has done some suspicious things, mainly the Following of Fener. But, why would a Necro follow his Recruit? I would think that it would be the other way around. Anno has made some good Defenses ...I'm just not convinced he is a Necro...I'd Still vote him if he was our only option, but I am siding more with Mockra at this point in thinking that the Killers are getting a free ride here. (yeah yeah yeah I realise this post makes it look like I was converted overnight and this exact post will be used against me in the future, but whatever. I can't change what I think. After reading the case and Anno's defense I just have a difficult time thinking he is scum)

As for the Case on HP- tough to nail someone on 1 Mistake. I kinda had HP pegged as new just because He/She has played exactly the way I did my first game. Don't make waves, follow the majority, vote the big train to look less suspicious.. the problem is... either that's Scum behavior trying to ride the tide... or it's RI behavior that doesn't help team inno. I would be interested to get HP's thoughts on Maybe Galain, or Rashan Ruse, Silanah.. someone not under the spot light. Shining the light on people that haven't had to step up sometimes forces mistakes, and the more we have people looking at everyone, the better. Honestly, at this point I see HP as being inno. But I initially thought Kasch was inno so.... I guess that can change.

@Meanas- Thanks for the Ruse case. I like it, I think we could make the same case on Rashan, Galain and Silanah as well. There is just not much to go on.

Speaking of. wth did thyr go? he went from spambot to tennes level in like 2.8 seconds. Not sure I like that.

Well, was that middle of the road enough for you? I really don't like any case out there at the moment. I would lean towards voting anno if I had to. I really hope we use this whole day to examine a lot of different players. I know Anno isn't a big fan of my rereads, but they help me and maybe someone will spot something I don't. I haven't decided who yet, and I have to go do some work right now, but will hopefully be back in a bit.

[Meanas]

Mockra, on Jan 27 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

okay, meanas already took a look at Ruse

here's D'riss' last post. like me, he missed the Kas lynch in its entirety, here's his last comment, made about 24 hours ago

D'riss, on Jan 26 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Phew, busy as hell and lots to read, but now I'm up to date.

Several cases on GL but the last one by Liosan drove the final nail in the coffin

Vote Galayn Lord

Now for a look at Anomandaris, will be back soon hopefully, with something constructive.

it'd be nice to hear something more from him

D'riss is someone who I also thinks needs to be looked at. While neither Ruse or D'riss are in Tennes league for low posting and not content. Both seem to be coasting along. The difference is that D'riss has voted but not made any cases. While Ruse has not voted or committed to anyone since Fener went down. It is almost like once Fener went down he has gone out of his way to be as inconspicuous as possible.

[Shadow]

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention about Liosan's case-

Why would GL need to distance... that Vote on anno really made no sense. There is no CF so there is nothing to distance from. We have no idea if GL was really scum or not. ( I do think he was.. but thats besides the point) I think that GL knew he was going to be lynched and tried to start a train on the next most popular subject, Anno.

[Mockra]

hmm
i'd think scum would be active, because they're interested in taking out cult a lot.

that's why I looked at HP in the first place--they were on all the trains, bar the Serc one (but I wasn't on it either, so putting that in would've beeen hyppocritical), and then there was that mistake... you can see why i'd want to look more closely at that.

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on Jan 27 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

Well, was that middle of the road enough for you? I really don't like any case out there at the moment. I would lean towards voting anno if I had to. I really hope we use this whole day to examine a lot of different players. I know Anno isn't a big fan of my rereads, but they help me and maybe someone will spot something I don't. I haven't decided who yet, and I have to go do some work right now, but will hopefully be back in a bit.

I have no problem with you doing rereads, my friend, just that when you post them you try and do more than quote a previous post with a one line comment about what they are doing. If all the quotes are squeaky clean to you and have nothing suspicious in, they probably won't to the casual reader either, so perhaps try to frame them with some kind of overarching theory about the alignment of the player you're rereading.

That's all my constructive criticism for today .

-------

As far as my own situation goes, I'm torn between continuing to devote more time to trying to counter Liosan's case further and looking for alternative suspects. Many posters have said that if they don't find anything better they'll go after me, so I feel like I ought to be helping with the search. Looking down the list of posters there are quite a few that I don't have much of a read on. I think I'll have a look at Galain.

Also, for the moment I think I'll

Remove Vote,

because my case on HP was a little weak for my own liking, to be honest.

[Shadow]

Meanas, on Jan 27 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 27 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

okay, meanas already took a look at Ruse

here's D'riss' last post. like me, he missed the Kas lynch in its entirety, here's his last comment, made about 24 hours ago

D'riss, on Jan 26 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Phew, busy as hell and lots to read, but now I'm up to date.

Several cases on GL but the last one by Liosan drove the final nail in the coffin

Vote Galayn Lord

Now for a look at Anomandaris, will be back soon hopefully, with something constructive.

it'd be nice to hear something more from him

D'riss is someone who I also thinks needs to be looked at. While neither Ruse or D'riss are in Tennes league for low posting and not content. Both seem to be coasting along. The difference is that D'riss has voted but not made any cases. While Ruse has not voted or committed to anyone since Fener went down. It is almost like once Fener went down he has gone out of his way to be as inconspicuous as possible.

I'll go take a look at D'riss. Besides.. seems like every fricking game D'riss is a part of team scum.. all the way back to the Hero's game when J_slr was Sylar in the D'riss role.

[Liosan]

Anomandaris, on Jan 27 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 27 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Without the quotes even i think thats a mess and that is going on in my head. Sorry if that is very hard to respond to but it is very hard to explain in a way that will make sense to others. That though in essence is why i do not trust you and think you are a necro. The cf issue is what concerned me most on read through, after we lost the cf i made my rant (which earned me a pm) and then tried to continue playing without it. You seemed fixated on it, and from past experience if someone discusses something to death it is because they are somehow closely linked to it in some way.

I think it is up to people to decide, they can try and read my big case and see where i am coming from or they can look at your answers to just the bullet points i have made. for me both are compelling enough to warrant the vote.

Haha, forgive me for fighting tooth and nail on this one, because I really want to avoid us wasting a lynch on me (sorry if that's laying it on a bit thick...but it's true! )


I know what you mean about people constantly returning to something that is their fault, but I don't think it necessarily follows that someone who does continually bring something up must be in some way related to it. Allow me to offer an alternative explanation: my fixation on the lack of CF is mostly because I've not actually played a game without it before, and consequently have devoted a lot of thought to its ramifications.

I must also ask what you mean by your second paragraph. Did you feel that my answers were scummy enough to warrant a vote? I tried to be as honest and straightforward about the points as I could...

No, your defence is good, but i find it hard to let go of things, and you do answer the points well when they are seperate, but its just three times in a row on the lynches is hard to fathom. I know i couldnt have found so much stuff on anyone else, so i know you arent playing quiet, but there is a lot of suspicious things going on around you. Sometimes saying all the right things isnt always the right answer, if that explains it?

At the end of the day we have a long time left and people shouldn't vote if they arent convinced. I will hopefully have access tomorrow, but i can't make a case and not vote, it just isn't in my nature especially when i am still think you are guilty. If someone can put forward a decent and well thought out case on a scum suspect i may change my vote, but if we do not lynch you i hope a guard or a finder will look into you tonight.

As far as the psycho search goes, i really do not see anything in the hp case, but the ruse one has my nose twitching. A few players seem to have dropped off the reservation, is there a public holiday somewhere?

[Liosan]

Shadow, on Jan 27 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to mention about Liosan's case-

Why would GL need to distance... that Vote on anno really made no sense. There is no CF so there is nothing to distance from. We have no idea if GL was really scum or not. ( I do think he was.. but thats besides the point) I think that GL knew he was going to be lynched and tried to start a train on the next most popular subject, Anno.

The cf wouldn't matter as regards distancing thouugh, it was the belief that galayn was guilty that would be important. If ano was his master it would act like distancing by showing that our suspect for the creature was voting for this player, so that player couldnt be connected to them.

[Meanas]

I was prerusing the last day or so when this popped out at me. I think that night timed out. And since there was only one kill I am wondering if the killer or Creature didnt' get his action in. It is also worth noting that D'riss didn't post last night or for a while before night started. Not that is a serious connection but I am tired of such long nights and it is obvious that someone isn't sending in provisionals.

Am I off base here I am still not feeling my best and my brain is barely working right now.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 27 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

Ok quick scene forth coming, I had misjudged the times.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 27 2009, 07:19 AM, said:

Night has fallen yet again and it seems to stretch on and on forever.

It is quieter this time, maybe the killings have finally stopped as you all get an uneasy sleep.

You wake up looking around and your hopes are dashed.

In the middle of the room with multiple stab wounds is a corpse.

Ripping off the mask you gasp! Korlat! Another one dead.


Korlat (Kurt M) has died.

Meanwhile...

From another part of the house you hear a horrible high pitched scream followed by a voice squealing in terror

"Aaargh please don't
kill me I've
done nothing!"

Faintly you hear a reply "Precisely..."

And all is silent.

Tennes (Twist) has been Mod killed





It is day 5

13 players still playing, 7 votes to lynch, 7 votes for night



13 have not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Thyrllan.

[Meanas]

I am going to step out for a while but I want to here from the quiet players. Since I made a small case on one I am going to stick with it. A little bit of pressure at this point is a good thing.



Vote Ruse

[Mockra]

hmm my internets died for a minute there, so my last little point didn't get through

Liosan, I must say I disagree with you regarding ano as most likeyl suspect on day 3 if there was no Kas.

I know I would have most definitely went for Galayn Lord for his odd behaviour durign the Kesso reveal.

out of everythign that's happened since we lost the CF, that still the most solid thing we've had, imho.

[Mockra]

... and the thread died once more

[Anomandaris]

I'm off to dinner now, back in a bit.

[Meanas]

Does anyone else think that night timed out?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 5 - 25 hours left

13 players still playing, 7 votes to lynch, 7 votes for night

4 vote Anomandaris (Omtose, Liosan, Galain, Hood's Path)
2 vote Hood's Path (Mockra)
1 vote Ruse (Meanas)

7 have not voted: Anomandaris, D'riss, Rashan, Ruse, Shadow, Silanah, Thyrllan.

[Mockra]

I can tell you for a fact it timed out--I stayed up waiting for it to end, and I had to remind PS that it was already 12 h...

[Shadow]

After reading D'riss not much stood out. he was a little weird about Kesso's reveal and came up with this weird theory.... not sure why he would believe this to be the case. Trying to appear helpful here perhaps? Maybe defending Fener? I don't know.

D'riss, on Jan 22 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

After further reading and thought I'm very uneasy about Kesso's reveal. So here's a (probably weak) theory:

Kesso is a necro and has identified Fener as psycho (and others have expressed suspicion about Fener). Using a fake reveal to add enormous weight to his argument he starts the fastest train in the game yet on Fener. Fener is lynched, one less psycho and Kesso comes out smelling of roses. The only person who would know he is bullshitting would be the real medium. This would contradict his outing of Fener as necro/recruit, but as we've seen our Kesso is full of contradictions...

If he's telling the truth, the creature and/or the psychos will kill him tonight – its a suicidal reveal unless he's recruited by the necros, keeps his role as Medium and carries on playing, but now for the other side.

I'm here for another hour or so so I am currently going to withold my vote

He does make a case on Tennes and Follows it up with a vote. Though it is a safe place for scum to hide, he was the first person to vote Tennes. I think Scum would be more in the middle of the train. Not starting it.

He Did have some heat on him during the Serc lynch Train. he was who Thyr and Rashan (????? can't remember who else hopped on the D'riss train) tried to get lynched instead of Serc. He didn't over react to the accusations and had a good defense for all of Thyr's Points against him.

One thing that jumped out is this: ( more post to come)

[Shadow]

Meanas, on Jan 27 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

Does anyone else think that night timed out?

Probably, but it could have been the finder that forgot to put in their find... It's tough to base a case on who hasn't been around and night timing out as all it does is prove the person is roled.