[Meanas]

Second Part.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Or he could very well be telling the truth about being medium, that doesnt stop him from being the recruit. Especially as he himself says he could have been targetted by emurlahn. In a game like this Its not safe to assume that the people with these roles are innocents.

Ofcourse...but then i doubt he would have put his own name in his story.
He could have just said that Ehmur told him they where kiling fener...period.

TBH I dont really care about the kesso side of the response as it doesnt really give us much either way as it is also a good way to make yourelf seem innocent by giving out information that could be incriminating because your so helpful.

More desperation.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

Im inclined to agree with Ruse here the only way I can see to prove Kesso wrong one way or another is to get a CF on Fener.
Vote Fener
Now I just hope Kesso isnt a symp

Has accepted the inevitable of Feners lynch. This is also the first time that he has brought up the classic way to test a finder reveal.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Yeah thats whats making me think that he could actually be the medium as we've only lost one person who wasnt a killer and the medium is still alive because we got a CF. So unless he's fake revealing to try and bring the real medium out. Im inclined to believe he may be the real thing.

Eventually came around now he is trying to back track and go along with every one else.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Yeah I agree if there is another medium, they should stay quiet. With this amount of people we can probably afford to lynch off an innocent on bad information but If we lose the medium this game is going to become a lot harder with no CF

Hey look I am being helpful nothing to see here folks I am not suspicious at all.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

vote fener

I have been trying to work out an angle for this reveal, and it is just too risky for a necromancer when they have all the advantages.

If he is lying i would say he's a symp.

He could be both actually. Nothing saying a symp medium isnt allowed. Although it does seem a bit pointless.

Wow still bring up every single posiblity in the book. A symp medium, how much power do you think the killers need.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 03:38 PM, said:

Actually that doesnt disprove Kesso in itself as the Necros can choose to recruit themselves for some reason Even though it seems a bit stupid (dont hurt me mods )

Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Just a note of clarification since its come up a few times: Necromancers can pick themselves as their recruits. .

I would assume that this acts as a BP for them.

Took you long enough.

Galayn Lord, on Jan 22 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

Ok seems Kesso was right about Fener then. I think il go back and check over Kaschan now see if I can see what makes you suspicious.

Still being helpful and what not. We had just killed a scum and that is your reaction. hmmm

Galayn Lord, on Jan 23 2009, 12:55 PM, said:

Ok well that was a surprise, I dont know why Ampelas was killed, I cant really remember much that he's done so Il assume that was the killer trying to pick an unlikely recruit target. I was expecting kesso to get recruited so at the moment il assume that a guard managed to hit the recruiter.
Now this Kaschan thing does look suspicious, Im wary about lynching someone based on the hunch of one person but There do seem to be a lot of inconsistencies and suspicious play brought up by Omtose and Silanahs case so he may be the best bet of hitting a necro. I will try and properly go back and get a better impression later but I dont have a lot of time atm.

On the executioner thing I think it is probably more likely that we have 2 independant executioners and that its probably 1 symp and 1 inno but thats just a guess.

Hey other then someone killing a revealed player almost other Nk are WIFOM. This post seems to me to be something that someone who is trying to look helpful and get people to forget his posts when Kesso revealed.

Shadow, on Jan 23 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

*waits with bated breath*

There you go Galayn lord is the other person who I makes my rapar ping.

[Omtose]

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 23 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

Also, I'm going out for a meal in about 30 mins, so if you have questions, beat me to death with them now

Nah, we're just running in circles. I don't get my question answered, and your 'answer' has been the same three times, so I'll leave it at that - either we don't understand one another, or we just fail to see each others point.
I find your behaviour and the pushing for out-of-reach, deliver-nothing targets a convenient way to stay off the radar, you apparently not, yet at no point did you ever justify their pursuit.
You clearly feel it isn't so, and that that is reasonable play, doesn't need a justification, and know my reasons for posting and what my posts contain better than I do.

No point in talking about it further - and since I'm not going to get you lynched by myself, either and it matters how others perceive this whole affair that will decide whether we lynch you or not, no reason to either.

See my above post. Kesso never posted a goddamned shred of anything backing up why he was suspicious of me. He even stated that he didn't have much on me.

It's not surprising really that you find my behaviour strange. You're convinced I'm scum, whereas I'm saying I'm not.

Not really much to add to that synopsis, is there?

Convinced is a big word. I do find you the best lynch, and I think you very well could be scum, for all the reasons I pointed out before. I find those reasons worth pursuing. You don't even find them reasons, because you miss evidence. And we've made yet another circle.

I tire of this argument - either you'll get lynched, or you won't, but you consequently refuse to come up with an explanation of your playstyle, your contributions, your targets, or a reasoning why Galayn Lord wasn't acting strange and why it is logical to dismiss him as a random person X - which is a part of my case - and if you read back, you will see that he was spewing out words and then eating them again in a rapid succession up and around the time of Fener's lynch. And actually, since that is all black on white, I can refer to it and you can come up with an explanation, rather than say it is all gut. Yet you don't.

Vote stays.

[Shadow]

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 23 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 10:14 AM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 23 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

So along with Morgoth's feelings. (he has been amazing in the games I have played)

See what I mean? Morgoth's gut feeling must be right, because he's been amazing in the games Shadow has played.

Damn, just lynch me now, it's open and shut.

Way to take the main reason I voted for you out of my quote. Thats not suspicious at all. You sir are Necro scum

I was making a point. Which completely stands. This entire thing has been based on Morgoth's "amazingness", which not only is not founded on anything, it's also proved to be counterproductive (i.e. his reveal, and the whole unnecessary part of it).

Fine point made. Its not based on just Morgo's gut as you keep trying to make us think. Its based on:
1. Middle of the road behavior
2. Somewhat supporting a CF'd Undead ( it doesn't matter if you wanted to hear his case before a vote. The fact we have is that YOU DIDNT VOTE)
3. And the big one. please explain this. Why the hell wouldn't the Necro's recruit Kess. Please give me a reason. The Reason is that they didn't want a CF on you. Otherwise a CF would benefit them, because they would know if their creature died and/or if they hit a killer. it would also swell their numbers by 1 and be able to cause Havok for at least a day among the innos with a live Kess.

It doesn't add up Kaschan.There are to many "coincidences" Your play points to you being a Necro.

[Meanas]

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 23 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

I've read through your defence and I still see no reason for us to think Kesso was lying to us. You keep claiming he had nothing on you, but there must have been something making him suspicious enough to give him that gut feeling. Otherwise he could have just said that he believed what Emu was saying about Fenner but saw nothing in your actions that would indicate you were guilty. He clearly didn't think you were inno, he just says that he has less to go on as far as you're concerned. My vote stands.

Man, what? My point was not that he was lying to us (the bloody CF of Fener proved that!), it was that he had no evidence on me other than his gut feeling.

Why do you trust Kessobahn's gut feeling more than mine, or more than Tennes? Or more than anyone's, in fact?

Is it because Emurlahn gave him the name of the person he tried to kill? Because if it is, you have to re-evaluate.

Ok well Morgoth's gut feeling was enough to Fener and I think that it is enough to get you. I have read your defense and It isn't enough. There is to much suspicion around you. Nothing you have said has made me suspect you any less. Therefore

Vote Kaschan

[Omtose]

Thanks for adding that, Meanas.

That was exactly why I voted Galayn Lord during the Fener train - to call attention to all that.

But according to Kaschan, this was nothing, and not worth calling attention to, or voting for.
See my point in thinking he was/is defending Galayn Lord?

[Kaschan]

Omtose, on Jan 23 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

I tire of this argument - either you'll get lynched, or you won't, but you consequently refuse to come up with an explanation of your playstyle, your contributions, your targets, or a reasoning why Galayn Lord wasn't acting strange and why it is logical to dismiss him as a random person X - which is a part of my case - and if you read back, you will see that he was spewing out words and then eating them again in a rapid succession up and around the time of Fener's lynch. And actually, since that is all black on white, I can refer to it and you can come up with an explanation, rather than say it is all gut. Yet you don't.

Vote stays.

You may tire of it, but I grow sick of it. I just spent the best part of an hour or more giving you my "explanation". You won't see it, as it doesn't fit your worldview, so there we are.

[Meanas]

Omtose, on Jan 23 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Thanks for adding that, Meanas.

That was exactly why I voted Galayn Lord during the Fener train - to call attention to all that.

But according to Kaschan, this was nothing, and not worth calling attention to, or voting for.
See my point in thinking he was/is defending Galayn Lord?

Yeah I did see your point. I actually thought that your vote at the time was a good move. I wasn't going to move mine at the time cause I thought that Fener should be lynched. But Galayn lord pinged the shit out of my radar. I wish that Morgoth had tried to make a stronger case against Fener rather then reveal. It might have taken a little bit longer but I think people would have lynched him eventually. Cause now we won't know if we lynch scum or not. But what is done is done so now we just have to struggle on. I do think that lynching the two people who had the most suspicious reactions to morgoths reveal and to feners lynch is a good place to start.

[Kaschan]

Shadow, on Jan 23 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

Fine point made. Its not based on just Morgo's gut as you keep trying to make us think. Its based on:
1. Middle of the road behavior

Well, despite stating and sticking to a number of opinions, there's nothing I can do to answer this, is there?

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2. Somewhat supporting a CF'd Undead ( it doesn't matter if you wanted to hear his case before a vote. The fact we have is that YOU DIDNT VOTE)

Somewhat? Your certainty is waning, Shadow... oh, maybe it was never there at all.

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3. And the big one. please explain this. Why the hell wouldn't the Necro's recruit Kess. Please give me a reason. The Reason is that they didn't want a CF on you. Otherwise a CF would benefit them, because they would know if their creature died and/or if they hit a killer. it would also swell their numbers by 1 and be able to cause Havok for at least a day among the innos with a live Kess.

It doesn't add up Kaschan.There are to many "coincidences" Your play points to you being a Necro.

How the fuck should I know why the necros didn't recruit Kesso?

Maybe they were guarded, maybe they didn't get on in time to change their list, maybe they just didn't want any more CFs full stop.

Maybe it was something else. I have no idea.

[Kaschan]

Meanas, on Jan 23 2009, 07:20 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 23 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Thanks for adding that, Meanas.

That was exactly why I voted Galayn Lord during the Fener train - to call attention to all that.

But according to Kaschan, this was nothing, and not worth calling attention to, or voting for.
See my point in thinking he was/is defending Galayn Lord?

Yeah I did see your point. I actually thought that your vote at the time was a good move. I wasn't going to move mine at the time cause I thought that Fener should be lynched. But Galayn lord pinged the shit out of my radar. I wish that Morgoth had tried to make a stronger case against Fener rather then reveal. It might have taken a little bit longer but I think people would have lynched him eventually. Cause now we won't know if we lynch scum or not. But what is done is done so now we just have to struggle on. I do think that lynching the two people who had the most suspicious reactions to morgoths reveal and to feners lynch is a good place to start.

Woah, no way am I getting labelled with defending GL. I called Omtose out because he came in mid-way between a situation where we either had an undead (Fener), or a guy who was falsely claiming him to be so (Kesso), and Omtose voted for someone else entirely?

All I said was that this was a strange move. It was, and I would see it as such in any game I ever play.

In the above situation, you lynch one, and if it turned out to be a mistake, you lynch the other. This is the way it's done. For someone to advocate lynching someone else entirely at that point is strange. Hence my post.

As much fun as this is, I've got to go out now. Catch you guys later.

[Anomandaris]

Have to say I really don't see much in either of the cases on Kaschan at all...going after low posters? Not especially scummy in my book. Wanting to wait for Fener to get a chance to put in a defence? I was doing that too...don't see anything wrong with it. Yeah, he was talking about the Korlat case without actually adding much to it...ok, fair enough. But commenting that a case exists isn't exactly a cardinal sin either.

In short, I'm quite concerned about how quickly Kaschan has been picking up votes based on what, as far as I can tell, aren't particularly strong cases.

EDIT: Crosspost with a lot of stuff.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 January 2009 - 07:32 PM

[Morgoth]

I believe that might in fact be a lynch. Give me a second to count and dig for the path-shaper pass. If not I'll at least provide you with an update

[Anomandaris]

Liosan, on Jan 23 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Mockra - Called for a finder reveal if kessobahn was actually a necromancer. I think there were possibly four people, myself included who were skeptical about the reveal and asked for a finder to investigate kessobahn. It is possible one of us is a killer, but i do not think asking a finder to investigate a day 2 reveal on a crucial role is all that strange. personally i am more worried by the possibility that they are a symp and am unsure why this wasn't mentioned with the vote as i think it would have added more weight behind that case.

As I said when I made the post, I didn't have time to go back and look for more stuff to back up my case. I'm going to do that now.


But in the mean time, I like the case on Galayn Lord. There's definitely something suspicious there - the backpedalling is rather obvious and fits with the profile of a scum making a mistake and trying to go on as if nothing happened. Kudos to Meanas for that, it's a good one. So, while I'm looking up stuff on Mockra, (and possibly longer, it depends what I find)

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord


EDIT: Crosspost with Morgoth.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 January 2009 - 07:41 PM

[Omtose]

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 23 2009, 07:20 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 23 2009, 07:15 PM, said:

Thanks for adding that, Meanas.

That was exactly why I voted Galayn Lord during the Fener train - to call attention to all that.

But according to Kaschan, this was nothing, and not worth calling attention to, or voting for.
See my point in thinking he was/is defending Galayn Lord?

Yeah I did see your point. I actually thought that your vote at the time was a good move. I wasn't going to move mine at the time cause I thought that Fener should be lynched. But Galayn lord pinged the shit out of my radar. I wish that Morgoth had tried to make a stronger case against Fener rather then reveal. It might have taken a little bit longer but I think people would have lynched him eventually. Cause now we won't know if we lynch scum or not. But what is done is done so now we just have to struggle on. I do think that lynching the two people who had the most suspicious reactions to morgoths reveal and to feners lynch is a good place to start.

Woah, no way am I getting labelled with defending GL. I called Omtose out because he came in mid-way between a situation where we either had an undead (Fener), or a guy who was falsely claiming him to be so (Kesso), and Omtose voted for someone else entirely?

All I said was that this was a strange move. It was, and I would see it as such in any game I ever play.

In the above situation, you lynch one, and if it turned out to be a mistake, you lynch the other. This is the way it's done. For someone to advocate lynching someone else entirely at that point is strange. Hence my post.

As much fun as this is, I've got to go out now. Catch you guys later.

Funnily enough, you've been dismissing my vote for GL all this time as voting someone at random - the quotes above show it wasn't just someone, but someone who did a lot of eating words. Now that it is all in a concise post, you all of a sudden had nothing to do with it. You still think my vote for GL was unwarranted and illogical and worth calling me out for?

[Shadow]

Kaschan, on Jan 23 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Shadow, on Jan 23 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

Fine point made. Its not based on just Morgo's gut as you keep trying to make us think. Its based on:
1. Middle of the road behavior

Well, despite stating and sticking to a number of opinions, there's nothing I can do to answer this, is there?

Quote

2. Somewhat supporting a CF'd Undead ( it doesn't matter if you wanted to hear his case before a vote. The fact we have is that YOU DIDNT VOTE)

Somewhat? Your certainty is waning, Shadow... oh, maybe it was never there at all.

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3. And the big one. please explain this. Why the hell wouldn't the Necro's recruit Kess. Please give me a reason. The Reason is that they didn't want a CF on you. Otherwise a CF would benefit them, because they would know if their creature died and/or if they hit a killer. it would also swell their numbers by 1 and be able to cause Havok for at least a day among the innos with a live Kess.

It doesn't add up Kaschan.There are to many "coincidences" Your play points to you being a Necro.

How the fuck should I know why the necros didn't recruit Kesso?

Maybe they were guarded, maybe they didn't get on in time to change their list, maybe they just didn't want any more CFs full stop.

Maybe it was something else. I have no idea.

Nope, certainty is still there.

Also, guard wouldn't work because there are more than Likely 2 Necros. Night didn't go the full time, so their actions were in, Why wouldn't they want CF's? As Morgo pointed out, even though it sucks for team inno, no CF is actually to our advantage because we have a Psychic out there ( unless Amp was the Psychic ...and that would really suck). Your defense isn't great Kasch. I really believe you are scum. my vote stays.

@ Meanas. thanks for the case. I was thinking of doing a similar on on GL. That Kess vote after the reveal was just straight odd.

[Anomandaris]

I'm going to be annoyed if that's a lynch. Way, way too quick at this stage. Of course, I'll be eating my words if he does in fact turn out to be scum...but then, we aren't going to find out, are we? *sigh*

There were quite a few people who dropped votes and left - I'm suspicious. I think I'll forgo looking back at Mockra to see how this came about.

[Hood's Path]

Does any one know how many votes we're at on Kaschan now?

[Omtose]

Hood's Path, on Jan 23 2009, 08:45 PM, said:

Does any one know how many votes we're at on Kaschan now?

Unless we have a double voter willing to reveal and thereby confirm whether or not we are on/over the required number of votes, i guess no-one is certain, but Morgoth seems to think we have a lynch

[Shadow]

its VERY likely we have a double voter on.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 3

17 players still playing, 9 votes to lynch, 9 votes for night

8 vote for Kaschan (Korlat, Silanah, Omtose, Thyrllan, Shadow, Liosan, Hood's Path, Meanas)
1 votes for Tennes (Rashan)
1 vote for Mockra (Anomandaris)

7 have not voted: D'riss, Galain, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Mockra, Ruse, Tennes.


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As the day moves towards completion, you cannot help but feel worried. Liosan feels the pressure of no cf and hides his terror of the unknown behind anger most terrible to behold.

Discussion has been slow and even tempered and not much has happened. Even though the situation is dire, a feeling of relaxation and safety spreads. A killer and an undead lies dead at your feet and hope glimmers on the horizon. No wonder then that the appearance of a white, transparent creature, most terrible to behold rises from the grave. It is Kessobahn and though dead, his words do still hold remains of that awesome power within him.
"MY GUT SAYS KASCHAN IS EVIL" he proclaims and points a long, norwegian finger at Kaschan who falls of the half naked Omtose with a yelp of surprise.
His gut speaks! It must be true! Yells Korlat triumphantly and draws his knife.
I agree, says Shadow, eyes filled with grief stricken love fastened on the dead Kesso. When Kessobahn's gut speaks, we should all listen.
Isn't it possible that he's just hungry? Cries Kaschan, but to no avail. The mob feels the taste of blood now and they cannot be stopped. Omtose, half naked still, breasts glittering in the last rays of the sun is at the very forefront, waving his bra like it was a sword. Meanas is just behind, sharpened teeth gleaming in a vicious smile.

Kaschan tries to run but it is too late. Like hungry wolves they fall on him as one. Blood and skin flies like grizzly rain. And just like that Kaschan dies. As tempers cooled and blood dried the remaining people could hear, trickling down from heaven, the mad, triumphant laugh of a ghost.

Kaschan (Yellow) is dead

It is now Night. Please send in your orders as quick as possible.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 January 2009 - 07:57 PM

[Anomandaris]

Any chance we can get the voting summary from when the lynch went down? Just for bookkeeping purposes - I like to keep track of who was on each train...


EDIT: That was quick!

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 23 January 2009 - 07:58 PM