[Tennes]

I am just putting everything together though my next post may
not seem all that well thought out. It makes sense to me now
if I dis-agree with it in the morning I will withdraw my vote.

[Tennes]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

Ok this will hopefully not be too long. But here is my case on Kess.

First curious post of his that I really don't get. There is alot of spam before this, but this struck me as a serious post

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

I believe that was already mentioned somewhere, no?
You restating argument middle of the road scummy person you

But on a more serious note yes, that is probably the strangest thing amongst the RP.
Though Rashans vote on kaschan struck me as odd aswell, just a kinda gut thing.

Omtose does seem quite nervous, it is true.. And also Fener seems.. I dunno, strange. His vote too was odd.

you know what... this tickles me enough in the wrong way I think Omtose just moved up as the strongest killer candidate.. all the joking aside that post really stood out.
Omtose

He quotes his own quote and then votes because of it? But to continue he starts disagreeing with himself

I am just posting who I think the scum might
be. Do the symp/killer know who each other are for one. For two
if so I just realized even though Rashan did catch Kessobahn
quoting himself why would he want to get rid of someone
who mad a case based off his own post which no-one
most likely took seriously. Unless he was making sure
a train didn't start because some innos saw a opportunity
to lynch a player. Which it seemed was what people
were looking for as far as I read just so that they could
figure out if player A was scum or player B was a necro.
In my mind it really did not make sense until I thought
what if Rashan knows that Omtose is Scum but as his
Symp was trying to draw attention away from him?

Like I said in above post watch me remove this vote in a few
hours after realizing my hunch got lots and lots of people trying
to lynch me.

Vote Rashan

[Kessobahn]

gawd.. Sorry guys I'm slightly hungover.. It will take me some time to catch up. That beer at the pub turned into an after party and the last guys left at six..

Anyone want to assist me by telling me what's been going on?

[Kessobahn]

I just noticed that thing Tennes quoted that Rashan said about me just above.. Of course it looks odd when you take that completly out of the context of the discussion it took place in. I was commenting on Omtose's post where he suddenly got very defensive. Both Thyrllan and I had quoted it just before. I don't get the problem.

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 11:22 AM, said:

gawd.. Sorry guys I'm slightly hungover.. It will take me some time to catch up. That beer at the pub turned into an after party and the last guys left at six..

Anyone want to assist me by telling me what's been going on?

Erm a lot of what's been going on concerns you, you might want to take an aspirin and clear your head

[Rashan]

Get ready for a possible triple post

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 04:09 AM, said:

I just noticed this....seems....strange.
Firstly Rashan seems to dislike me.
He thinks i am scum but gives absolutley no reasoning.
I can only assume its his gut or something.
But for me this posts is more like sewing seeds of doubt about my credibility or something.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

Oh and

Vote Ruse

And now

Remove vote

Because you both explained yourselves quite clearly, but know of the 2 of you, I think you(Ruse) are the more scummy in appearance.

Anyways note that he says I am the more scummier than the two.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:58 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

such a large game, when opinions are going to vary wildly

Nah, I don't think any of us are likely to have differences of opinion. Right Ruse? Thyrllan?

I disagree with this...

On a serious note, I really am not sure who to go for. Tennes and GL are my top 2, but this is merely due to their lack of contributions. Nothing really to look at or build a case on. If I was going on gut feelings alone, I would probably vote for Ruse. But as far as building a case on any of them, well like I said, they really haven't done anything that screams scum. I am up in the air about the whole thing.

Ahh there it is...."gut" it is.
Note Its me who he is not liking after the pissing contest myself and Thyr have.

THEN...

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

WTF????


edit - cut out irrelevant stuff , unnecessarily long

Read the thread ass munch. The first part was before my Kesso case, where you and Thyr had your pissing match. The second part where I found thyr more bad was after. You even said it yourself. Reaching much?

[Tennes]

Lol. Yeah I just read that part and a few other people commenting
on that part but now I must go off to bed so I can wake up in the afternoon
and post more hopefully when more people are here. Though it seems as I go
away more people apear.

[Rashan]

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

I am just posting who I think the scum might
be. Do the symp/killer know who each other are for one. For two
if so I just realized even though Rashan did catch Kessobahn
quoting himself why would he want to get rid of someone
who mad a case based off his own post which no-one
most likely took seriously. Unless he was making sure
a train didn't start because some innos saw a opportunity
to lynch a player. Which it seemed was what people
were looking for as far as I read just so that they could
figure out if player A was scum or player B was a necro.
In my mind it really did not make sense until I thought
what if Rashan knows that Omtose is Scum but as his
Symp was trying to draw attention away from him?

Like I said in above post watch me remove this vote in a few
hours after realizing my hunch got lots and lots of people trying
to lynch me.

Vote Rashan

Tennes, I realize you are new so let me be perfectly clear. The creature in the cult knows the necros, so he would in fact be trying to signal. I never said anything about the killers and symps.

[Rashan]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 06:23 AM, said:

I just noticed that thing Tennes quoted that Rashan said about me just above.. Of course it looks odd when you take that completly out of the context of the discussion it took place in. I was commenting on Omtose's post where he suddenly got very defensive. Both Thyrllan and I had quoted it just before. I don't get the problem.

Kess thats a part of my case on you, go read the whole thing. Also, 2 others added to it so you may want to put on a good defense.

[Tennes]

Ok for now until I build a stronger case I will

Remove my vote

suprizingly earlier then I had expected, but now
I honestly must go to bed.

[Kessobahn]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Ok this will hopefully not be too long. But here is my case on Kess.

First curious post of his that I really don't get. There is alot of spam before this, but this struck me as a serious post

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

I believe that was already mentioned somewhere, no?
You restating argument middle of the road scummy person you

But on a more serious note yes, that is probably the strangest thing amongst the RP.
Though Rashans vote on kaschan struck me as odd aswell, just a kinda gut thing.

Omtose does seem quite nervous, it is true.. And also Fener seems.. I dunno, strange. His vote too was odd.

you know what... this tickles me enough in the wrong way I think Omtose just moved up as the strongest killer candidate.. all the joking aside that post really stood out.
Omtose

He quotes his own quote and then votes because of it? But to continue he starts disagreeing with himself

As I've already explained. This post follows a short discussion Thyrllan and I had about a post of Omtose's.. How this is strange or conspicious is beyond me.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems so guilty!

He will get called out for being middle of the road, and puts on a good defense, but this post is really what starts my case, the others are just background

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

I could be signaling to my masters because I am showing the pros and cons of my own arguments? Well.. I don't know how to respond to that. I compared Emurlahn to Abba too, if you remember. Obviously, the killers must be Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus and I'm signaling them with very subtle hints.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

Well I am glad that you're not willing to put pressure based on specific posts. I'm posting what I think. I try to keep my thought prosess as transparent as possible so that people understand how I view the game. If you feel that what I say in my posts is middle of the road..erm.. ing then I think we just clash in our way of approaching the game

Here I removed the case by Serc, this is his response, notice the use of the word transparent. Strikes me as a bit odd. but lets continue

Um.. It does?
transparent Adjective1. able to be seen through; clear 2. easy to understand or recognize; obvious: transparent honesty [Latin trans- through + parere to appear]

I'm realy interested in hearing why, cause to me this comment of yours makes no sense.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Or I might have possibly been joking. So many layers

Again I have removed alot of content but this is joking, but could be hinting. Now here is why he has been hinting IMO note the bold

Yes, I could be hinting. So could you whenever you post. This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 05:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

remove vote, vote mockra


2. No one else seems to see emur as scum, and he's defended his vote, and im satisfied with that.

I see emur as scum, but I lack anything but a feeling to back it up. I might also be biased by his out of the blue I-must-contribute-but-i'm-afraid-to-do-so vote on me

Ok, I see you bolded this part but it makes no sense.. Do you know the meaning of the word biased?

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

next is this no explanation for anyone on his list.

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

I had already explained Omtose and Emurlahn. Fener indeed I had not talked about much at that point, apart from a little early on in the game, but as I did not vote for him and placed him third I cannot understand that a full explenation would be necessary day 1. I did this to show people what I think and whom I suspect. It is quite a common approach, but seeing how weak your case is at this point I can understand you try to grasp at any straw you can find.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

Why would I bring up that it was the creature? Do you feel that unless I state everything that's perfectly obvious I must be guilty of something? Quite a dreary game is what you want it seems.

I like how you've come with no real argument at all apart from my suspect list and then claim your case has some merit. Sure, if I was the creature I could've tried to signal my master in this way, just like I could've tried to signal them in any other nnumber of ways, but seeing that's all you've got I cannot see how you can defend your vote on me. I made a suspect list and the top one got killed. Huh, perhaps the creature saw it like I did. Or perhaps there's no relation at all. You're making a ridiculously long jump and you have nothing strong enough to support your landing.

[Fener]

Ampelas, on Jan 22 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

Fener, on Jan 22 2009, 01:31 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:26 PM, said:

@Fener: Uh, just wondering - why are you trying to out potentially Inno Twins?

If they are setting up a code to PI later in the game, why would you draw attention to it, and make them a target?

Sort of bizarre, trying to force reveal Innos.

2 reasons. First, I'm stating that I know there's a POSSIBILITY that they are innos. Remember, twins can talk off thread at any time, negating the need for coded messages, no matter how shoddy they might be. Second, I don't think they are. I think it's more likely that Galain saw that code used elsewhere, as I have (I think I saw Yellow use it, don't remember what game though), and figured it was good enough as any to use to signal whatever partner he might have. However, if it were twin innos, I'd expect to see a code from Ruse to back him up. I found no such thing, leading me to believe that Galain could be a creature or symp, attempting to signal his master as to a good kill target. Ergo, now that Silanah has deigned to post something:

remove vote

vote Galain


EDIT: for clarity.

I have to disagree with the bolded bit. It's common practice for lovers to code each others name in their early posts so that they can still prove they were part of a pair if their partner died. In fact Yellow earned his decoder card for doing exactly what you are doing now (although the code he found was undeniably a code, yours is kinda circumstantial) and subsequently getting speedlynch for outing innos. Anyway, gotta get to work, back in 8-9 hours

Hmmm. Yes. Yes, he did. But like I said, I don't think they were innos. I agree, its shitty code. I agree, I was looking for code because it might help us find an answer, but I'm not gonna push it if its been dismissed. I hope we can let this go.

Ruse, on Jan 22 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

Hmmm. Yes. Yes, he did. But like I said, I don't think they were innos.

Well besides the fact we are NOT lovers. ( seriously i have been saying i dont like galain the while bloody game)
Why are you doing trying to reveal to thread that we might be lovers in the first place?

You WANT the killers/creature to kill lovers?
You WANT the Necro's to have a lovely target for recruitment.
Are you Yellow?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

But the most imortant thing is...you are LOOKING for codes?
Wonder what role would most likely be doing something like that?

I agree, its shitty code. I agree, I was looking for code because it might help us find an answer, but I'm not gonna push it if its been dismissed.I hope we can let this go.

I have an exam to go write, see you this afternoon.

[Kessobahn]

Hood's Path, on Jan 22 2009, 02:13 AM, said:

I'm just going to sum up what I said in regards to Rashan's case on Kesso as it didn't come out well with the quotes:

How likely is it really that someone would forget or not recognize the posts or the case they've just made? Not very, I would say. In fact at times it seems as if he's arguing with himself. He drops some pretty heavy suggestions and then backs away from them the minute peole start to agree. I'm not sure if he's trying to distract us from something or someone else. He could just be second guessing himself, but if that's the case why not make that clear or edit his inital post? It does make for erratic behaviour.

I just don't get this claim that I forgot my own case. Where is it from? what is it based on?

And how do I back away when people start agreeing with me? Shit, you people just seem to want steam rolling without some actual discussion don't you. How am I backing down when I left my vote on him continuously through the day and never stopped referring to him as my top suspect until the very end of the day.

Edit my initial posts? What?

[Kessobahn]

@Fener - so you decided it was a good idea to reveal the code of someone who very well could be inno for both the killers and the creature to see? You, I think, deserves a read through. I'm getting more convinced you're a necro by the hour.

Mind you, Urse is not a code no matter how hard you want it to be. GARD, yes, but URSE, no.

[D'riss]

06:42 am, Hooray, Tennes has turned up!

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 06:42 AM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 10:02 PM, said:

Tennes I still see you and you haven't even posted a hello. Rashan I am going to keep my pressure vote on Sil for now but I like your case on Kesso and if Sil gets on and decides to participate then I would be willing to switch.

I'm sorry I missed that. Hello. Now that I have said hello time to figure who is the most suspicious in my eyes. I want to vote for Mockra but everything seems to be scummy behavior. So I will explain myself. I work a good 8 hours a day sleep a good 10 so in the end I have little time to post here and at other forums, I was on for half an hour because if you've read any of my posts I was watching Repo...again.

He suspects Mockra but gives no reason.

Almost 4 hours later, he's back!

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

I'm reading through all the posts again looking for anything suspicious before I go to bed. I no longer think Mockra is scum... I must of thought he was someone else. Off to find that one post out of a billion or a few hundred.

Changed his mind, no reason given

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 10:26 AM, said:

Hmm. How far back is that? I wanna see it...(trying to be productive.)

But failing...

I skipped a garbled post that he paraphrased here...

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

Sorry it's 5 am where I am and I've been up since yesterday at the moment I am trying not to screw up my writing. Basically I was saying that I will now be spending more time tirelessly reading through many many posts in this thread. Is that understandable?

Excellent, some top hole investigation is coming up...

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

I am just putting everything together though my next post may not seem all that well thought out. It makes sense to me now if I dis-agree with it in the morning I will withdraw my vote.

The anticipation is killing me...

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

Ok this will hopefully not be too long. But here is my case on Kess. First curious post of his that I really don't get. There is alot of spam before this, but this struck me as a serious post

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

I believe that was already mentioned somewhere, no? You restating argument middle of the road scummy person you But on a more serious note yes, that is probably the strangest thing amongst the RP. Though Rashans vote on kaschan struck me as odd aswell, just a kinda gut thing.

Omtose does seem quite nervous, it is true.. And also Fener seems.. I dunno, strange. His vote too was odd.

you know what... this tickles me enough in the wrong way I think Omtose just moved up as the strongest killer candidate.. all the joking aside that post really stood out. Omtose

He quotes his own quote and then votes because of it? But to continue he starts disagreeing with himself

I am just posting who I think the scum might be. Do the symp/killer know who each other are for one. For two if so I just realized even though Rashan did catch Kessobahn quoting himself why would he want to get rid of someone who mad a case based off his own post which no-one most likely took seriously. Unless he was making sure a train didn't start because some innos saw a opportunity to lynch a player. Which it seemed was what people were looking for as far as I read just so that they could figure out if player A was scum or player B was a necro. In my mind it really did not make sense until I thought what if Rashan knows that Omtose is Scum but as his Symp was trying to draw attention away from him? Like I said in above post watch me remove this vote in a few hours after realizing my hunch got lots and lots of people trying to lynch me.
Vote Rashan

Great revelation was not so great, and technically flawed.

Getting sleepy again...

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

Lol. Yeah I just read that part and a few other people commenting on that part but now I must go off to bed so I can wake up in the afternoon and post more hopefully when more people are here. Though it seems as I go away more people apear.

And now 27 minutes after voting for Rashan...

Tennes, on Jan 22 2009, 11:40 AM, said:

Ok for now until I build a stronger case I will
Remove my vote
suprizingly earlier then I had expected, but now I honestly must go to bed.

So Tennes has added very little that is useful and 1 1/4 hours after his first meaningful post is gone again.

I think he is PI and both scum factions would have identified him as such. Therefore the psychos will nk him and the necros will recruit him.

If we lynch him we lose one inno. If we let him get nked we lose one inno and the necros gain a recruit - a greater evil

However, if by some chance he's scum its all gravy for us, so

Vote Tennes

[Tennes]

Quote

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

I know I said I left but I can't sleep so I came back and finnally got
to read the code. Can someone tell me what they got out of this because
I found that it spelt Ruse if the letters were re-organized.
Sorry if you already re-alized this and had been talking about it all the time
I wasn't here.

[Rashan]

Kessobahn, on Jan 22 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

As I've already explained. This post follows a short discussion Thyrllan and I had about a post of Omtose's.. How this is strange or conspicious is beyond me.

But why quote your own post? It doesn't make any sense. nothing was added for you to talk about. And read it, its like you were saying, hey thats a good point I made, I think I'll vote for that. Just struck me as unusual.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems so guilty!

He will get called out for being middle of the road, and puts on a good defense, but this post is really what starts my case, the others are just background

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

I could be signaling to my masters because I am showing the pros and cons of my own arguments? Well.. I don't know how to respond to that. I compared Emurlahn to Abba too, if you remember. Obviously, the killers must be Agnetha Fältskog and Björn Ulvaeus and I'm signaling them with very subtle hints.

I have never seen anyone argue with themselves. I mean seriously, you bring up the case, then when it starts to get votes, you start destroying your own case. Its a first. But realize these were just unusual posts, notice I say, thats not the reason I suspect you.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

Well I am glad that you're not willing to put pressure based on specific posts. I'm posting what I think. I try to keep my thought prosess as transparent as possible so that people understand how I view the game. If you feel that what I say in my posts is middle of the road..erm.. ing then I think we just clash in our way of approaching the game

Here I removed the case by Serc, this is his response, notice the use of the word transparent. Strikes me as a bit odd. but lets continue

Um.. It does?
transparent Adjective1. able to be seen through; clear 2. easy to understand or recognize; obvious: transparent honesty [Latin trans- through + parere to appear]

Transparent - verb - able to be seen through. You aren't running for president Mr. Obama, transparency is not always a good thing in mafia. Because if you are transparent, maybe your necros masters will be able to see you better? It was an unusual term.

I'm realy interested in hearing why, cause to me this comment of yours makes no sense.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

Or I might have possibly been joking. So many layers

Again I have removed alot of content but this is joking, but could be hinting. Now here is why he has been hinting IMO note the bold

Yes, I could be hinting. So could you whenever you post. This is getting a bit ridiculous.

No, your defense is ridiculous. Its a bit late in the day to laugh off a case. But I digress, you are right in one aspect, anyone could be hinting, the only difference is you were obvious. The above post was made AFTER the spam fest. hell, cases were being made and rejected.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 05:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

remove vote, vote mockra


2. No one else seems to see emur as scum, and he's defended his vote, and im satisfied with that.

I see emur as scum, but I lack anything but a feeling to back it up. I might also be biased by his out of the blue I-must-contribute-but-i'm-afraid-to-do-so vote on me

Ok, I see you bolded this part but it makes no sense.. Do you know the meaning of the word biased?

Biased against Emur means more, now that he is dead.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

next is this no explanation for anyone on his list.

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

I had already explained Omtose and Emurlahn. Fener indeed I had not talked about much at that point, apart from a little early on in the game, but as I did not vote for him and placed him third I cannot understand that a full explenation would be necessary day 1. I did this to show people what I think and whom I suspect. It is quite a common approach, but seeing how weak your case is at this point I can understand you try to grasp at any straw you can find.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

Why would I bring up that it was the creature? Do you feel that unless I state everything that's perfectly obvious I must be guilty of something? Quite a dreary game is what you want it seems.

No offense but your defense is that my case on you is weak. I agree, have you had the chance to read the others additions onto my initial case?

I like how you've come with no real argument at all apart from my suspect list and then claim your case has some merit. Sure, if I was the creature I could've tried to signal my master in this way, just like I could've tried to signal them in any other nnumber of ways, but seeing that's all you've got I cannot see how you can defend your vote on me. I made a suspect list and the top one got killed. Huh, perhaps the creature saw it like I did. Or perhaps there's no relation at all. You're making a ridiculously long jump and you have nothing strong enough to support your landing.

I just did.

[Liosan]

@Kess - what about my vote on you? you seem to have ignored my case completely and the point raised by shadow. I have a meeting soon but i would like some answers by the time i get back. How long is left in the day?

[Ruse]

Okaaaay
Work done for the day at long last.

Some rather interesting cases floating around.
The one on kess does stand out.

[D'riss]

Liosan, on Jan 22 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

@Kess - what about my vote on you? you seem to have ignored my case completely and the point raised by shadow. I have a meeting soon but i would like some answers by the time i get back. How long is left in the day?

About 10 hours I think