[Thyrllan]

Mockra, he's not saying serc was a creature.
He saying, with his intricate knowledge of my thoughts, that I thought he was my creature, and that im a necro.

[Ampelas]

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

[Thyrllan]

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Oh, you mean it isn't stupid play for scum to stick up for each other.
Yes it is.
They all stick up for each other, and you only have to find one.

All i am doing is putting forward possibilties for discussion.
All you are doing is crying in the corner like a fucking infant because i happen to be pointing at you.


YES sometimes scum DO...stick up for each other.
My fucking word, are you saying scum never do stupid things?

How are we ever to win this game if scum never make mistakes.
How have inno's EVER won anything? Blind luck???

Im done talking to you and your lofty fucking attitude on how to play this game
who are you supposed to be? The Goddamn mafia Paterfamilias?

Fuck in hell, please sir tell us how to proceed since we now know from your holiness, the mafia god himself, that scum never make mistakes or do anything remotely close to being stupid.


bah

Oh yes, lets just hold out for a mistake. Hope they get drunk. No, you look for scummy behaviour, middle of the roading etc.
They're not consistently idiots though. And they don't take gigantically stupid risks.

Oh. Before you lecture me about being lofty, and lecturing you and how to play the game.

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

Its a standard rule in mafia never to reveal anything on thread that the killers can use to their advantage,
SO it is NOT the obvious thing to do, in fact serc said himself that it was stupid because he revealed to the necros a way to comunicate. So its not a "stupid theory"!
you sir, can eat a bag of dicks.

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.

Stop being a hypocrite.

You're telling me what is standard rules, and what is stupid.

Then you're telling me to stop telling you how to play?

And I am looking for scummy play.
Have I once actually attacked you're behaviour? No. I have just defended from your arguments.

Were things as you say, that scum are very stupid, then I would undoubtedly be attacking you.

I talk about STANDARD mafia
You talk bout your own style

But please can we carry on

Ego's asside

If you check, i've already posted a case on Hoods path.
There is no standard mafia, that i see, as everyone plays differently.
If you're playing WCS, its not stupid to alert people to the possiblility of codes, even though standard mafia dictates otherwise.

[Ruse]

 Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 06:57 AM, said:

Well, wrong guy. Sorry Lish

Seems I have to defend myself from a few accusations

1. Low poster
Some of have jobs, people. Mine can go from sitting around doing little to flat out in a matter of minutes, therefore I keep the spam minimum and try to post constructively. Rather than producing massive long posts involving hundreds of quotes I would rather list the salient points, a bit like this post. One example - my reply when Meanas asked why nothing was happening yesterday:

Quote

We've had nothing new to chew on for a while, so nothing to add atm.

2. Voting Omtose and then disappearing
Omtose was behaving strangely, apparently revealing as scum, posting left, right and centre for a few hours. A few of us decided to call his bluff since when he dissapeared and has been rarely seen since.

3. Voting Serc after agreeing with one of his earlier points
As I said when voting, Serc's posts when viewed independently didn't arouse suspicion, but when Liosan made his case I was swayed. It was still the best case anyone made on day 1 although now liosan bears some investigation.

Anyway on to the matter at hand which is hunting real scum, this post stuck out for me in my catch up:

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

There is also the chance that Thyr or one of the others that defended Serc thought that Serc was their creature.
I say this because Serc revealed that a creature "can send codes to his his master in his posts" which perhaps made the necros think that he was signaling them to look for codes in HIS posts?

When in fact all he was doing was revealing to the creature a possible way to communicate with his necro masters if he is able to ever catch their attention!

This, I believe, is a bloody good spot.

Back soon

It was Ruse. D'riss just agreed. So therefore

[bVote Ruse][/b]

I really think you are just trying to build a bs case out of nothing. I mean come on, really? You believe that a necro would do anything to defend their creature? And that a code was passed in game that no one saw or thought of, except of coure for the person that mentioned in thread that a code might have been used. No way. Anyway, I'm heading to work for a bit, I'll catch up later.

I was merely putting out a possible theory.
Seeing what kind of reacions i get.

I never placed a vote, never said this was my case.
What you are seeing is myself getting sucked into an arguement with thyrlan on how the theory os plausable.

So you'll have to excuse me when i miffed because i get told my theory is daft.
Especially coming from the person it is pointing at.

[Mockra]

Rash, you may want to fix that bold...

i'm having trouble wrapping my head around this pissing contest.
Thyr, if Ruse himself is saying he doesn't find you suspicious enough to vote, why the hell do you blow up like that?
mind you, you did the same thing yesterday when i accused you of vote hopping,
I mean, not like one vote, or a small statement's gonna get you lynched.
chill out and stop thinking everyone here's against you, lol

unless you're scum,
in which case keep fuming and attaract more suspicion, please!

[Ruse]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

If you check, i've already posted a case on Hoods path.
There is no standard mafia, that i see, as everyone plays differently.
If you're playing WCS, its not stupid to alert people to the possiblility of codes, even though standard mafia dictates otherwise.

Ugghh

There is standard things people should or should not do (frowned upon) in mafia.
Dont come woth that nonesense.

Next your going to be speculating on inno roles because you "play different" i suppose

edit - left out "not"

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 03:01 PM

[Mockra]

 Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

care to explain the underlined bit?

[Thyrllan]

What I dislike about ruses case is no matter what I say, he is assuming a necro may be actually stupid enough to do so. Which isn't something you can argue against, however little sense it makes.
Anyhow, seeing as no-one commented much on my HP case yesterday, now is a good time.

[Thyrllan]

 Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

care to explain the underlined bit?

I had the same mistake mockra. In fact, I was about to ask exactly that.
I think he means:

To me, it felt like he was trying to send a signal.

Thats how it felt to him. Not that he was sending the signal to him, but thats how it makes him feel.

[Mockra]

well, I did find HP's Serc vote suspicious.
but then he was one of the people that renmoved vote following Serc's defence, so that brought him down on the suspect list..

[Mockra]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

 Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

care to explain the underlined bit?

I had the same mistake mockra. In fact, I was about to ask exactly that.
I think he means:

To me, it felt like he was trying to send a signal.

Thats how it felt to him. Not that he was sending the signal to him, but thats how it makes him feel.

hmm, I see...

far-fetched, but the alternative is a Necro reveal,

This post has been edited by Mockra: 21 January 2009 - 03:05 PM

[Thyrllan]

Actually, it made me mopre suspicious.
Serc layed out his reasons in the first place iirc, so it just felt HP hadn't really read them, and was being inconcpicious middle of the road, feeling he may get pulled up on voting there, or something, asked his reasons for voting.

[Thyrllan]

 Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

 Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

care to explain the underlined bit?

I had the same mistake mockra. In fact, I was about to ask exactly that.
I think he means:

To me, it felt like he was trying to send a signal.

Thats how it felt to him. Not that he was sending the signal to him, but thats how it makes him feel.

hmm, I see...

far-fetched, but the alternative is a Necro reveal,

Well, ive no problem with the necros revealing.
Reads better if you add a comma after signal.

[Ruse]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Oh. Before you lecture me about being lofty, and lecturing you and how to play the game.

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

Its a standard rule in mafia never to reveal anything on thread that the killers can use to their advantage,
SO it is NOT the obvious thing to do, in fact serc said himself that it was stupid because he revealed to the necros a way to comunicate. So its not a "stupid theory"!
you sir, can eat a bag of dicks.

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.

Stop being a hypocrite.

You're telling me what is standard rules, and what is stupid.

Then you're telling me to stop telling you how to play?

And I am looking for scummy play.
Have I once actually attacked you're behaviour? No. I have just defended from your arguments.

Were things as you say, that scum are very stupid, then I would undoubtedly be attacking you.

Sorry...forgot to answer here.
Again...how is this being a hypocrite?

I was replying to your comment on how stupid my theory is.
I never told you how to play, or how what you are doing is "detrimental to the inno's"

where do you get off?

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 03:08 PM

[Ampelas]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 05:03 PM, said:

 Mockra, on Jan 21 2009, 03:01 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on Jan 21 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Hi Liosan, I'm here for a bit I like the case against Mockra, it's well laid out. Problem is - lynching Mockra gives little to no info. Wrt the pissing match above, I doubt the creature would try signal his masters, since the necros cant accidentally kill him. I agree that he would most likely watch his masters for clues. Granted, a newer player in either the creature or necro roles could make a mistake along those lines. Did anyone make anything that looked like a hint to kill Emur? Seeing as how it was 90% that he was killed by the creature, it may be because of a message that he picked up. I would check myself, but I have to play with the PDA skin, else pages take 5min to load , so most of the functions are removed. Korlat was really paranoid earlier that he was about to die and made a slight fuss about how he was being 'targeted'. Seemed a bit of a silly thing to do at night, felt a bit like he was trying to send a signal to me.

care to explain the underlined bit?

I had the same mistake mockra. In fact, I was about to ask exactly that.
I think he means:

To me, it felt like he was trying to send a signal.

Thats how it felt to him. Not that he was sending the signal to him, but thats how it makes him feel.

Yeah, exactly that. Stupid split infinitive. Any thoughts on the grammatically correct part of my post?

[Thyrllan]

You were essentially telling me how to play, or how standard mafia is played.
And then you tried to tell me what is stupid and what isnt, which is a matter of opinion.

I dont think a necro would be stupid enough to try to de-rail a train that was inevitable, when he thought the person it was on would show up scum.
You do, well, thats a matter of opinion, so suit yourself.

[Mockra]

@ Amp:
rofl
well, I agree that lynching me will give you little info, lol

also, i've got no clue who might have killed Emur, and why. he did seem to agree with Serc wrt to D'riss, iirc...

This post has been edited by Mockra: 21 January 2009 - 03:12 PM

[Thyrllan]

Me and kessobahn both voted emur.

Me, fairly early, and my vote was soon off.
However, if memory serves, kess left his vote there.

[Ruse]

Anyways....
the case on HP is ok

Neither here nor there really.
ALthough the contradiction is something.
And i do hate people whp fence sit all the time and never get confrontational.

He could have simply been swayed by sercs arguments though?

[Thyrllan]

Pretty sure serc explained it at the time though.
So why change when suddenly he re-explains the witch thing, which he defended earlier?

Im gonna have to go back and see if he did defend it earlier.