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Mafia 38: Haunted House Massacre (Game thread)

#861 User is offline   Thyrllan 

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:30 PM

View PostRashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Wow. Ok, never mind, stay pissed. Sorry I got involved. Thats pretty outrageous.just wow. without having to go back through that, who the hell thought that up? D'riss or Ruse?


Does it matter?
It helps just to treat them like the same person.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:32 PM

So Ruse, why are you insisting we should assume the necro is playing badly.
Assuming things like that, just leads to inno downfall.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:32 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:24 PM, said:

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Its infuriating.



Yet completely plausable

Only if you assume a bad necro player.
Which is not a good way to play.



sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 02:33 PM


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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:33 PM

Except the hint you said says that I thought serc was a creature.
Not a necro.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:35 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

So Ruse, why are you insisting we should assume the necro is playing badly.
Assuming things like that, just leads to inno downfall.



What the FUCK are you talking about?

Thats just youre OPINION.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:36 PM

Oh, you mean it isn't stupid play for scum to stick up for each other.
Yes it is.
They all stick up for each other, and you only have to find one.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:40 PM

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:24 PM, said:

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Its infuriating.



Yet completely plausable

Only if you assume a bad necro player.
Which is not a good way to play.



sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.

Except

1. The "hint" of sercs. If its such an obvious thing, why not pick it up at the time? I doubt a necro did.
2. Sercs lynch wasn't something I was likely to stop. It would never be worth the risk you describe, for something still 90-99% likely to suceed. Not only that, but then if either of us was found, killed, lynched or whatever, the other would be gone.

Yes. It is a stupid thing to do. A killer defending his team-mate against a lynch that will happen anyhow?
Just gets them implicated.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:41 PM

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

So Ruse, why are you insisting we should assume the necro is playing badly.
Assuming things like that, just leads to inno downfall.



What the FUCK are you talking about?

Thats just youre OPINION.



Which is somehow worth less than...what?
You're opinion?

Any time anyone says somehting its their fucking opinion.
Thats like me ignoring everything someone else says cause its just "their opinion".

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:42 PM

Guys - can we put this pissing match on hold, none of you are voting for each other and its just stopping us actually discussing suspects for the day. I have about an hour and a half left before i am heading home, so would have liked to at least discuss possible lynches. We still have an awful long time left in the day but it doesn't mean i just want to watch you lot arguing the same points over and over.

If a suitable lynch target doesn't appear i think we should remove the suspected symp, i can't remember who brought the point up, but if the symps can be roled it would be dangerous to have then in play.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:43 PM

i cannot be bothered to read anymore from you lot, this is ridiculous. Hopefully someone sensible comes on before i head home.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:44 PM

Ruse.
Fucking vote me.
It seems to me like you're trying hard to convince other people to.
Yet not doing so yourself.
If you're so fucking certain that I was actually stupid enough to base a creature guess of something so small, if you truly think I would be stupid enough a necro player to stick up for someone almost certain to be lynched, risking myself, were I a necro, for someone who the only evidence of being my creature is one tiny thing, then fucking vote me for it.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:45 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Oh, you mean it isn't stupid play for scum to stick up for each other.
Yes it is.
They all stick up for each other, and you only have to find one.


All i am doing is putting forward possibilties for discussion.
All you are doing is crying in the corner like a fucking infant because i happen to be pointing at you.


YES sometimes scum DO...stick up for each other.
My fucking word, are you saying scum never do stupid things?

How are we ever to win this game if scum never make mistakes.
How have inno's EVER won anything? Blind luck???

Im done talking to you and your lofty fucking attitude on how to play this game
who are you supposed to be? The Goddamn mafia Paterfamilias?

Fuck in hell, please sir tell us how to proceed since we now know from your holiness, the mafia god himself, that scum never make mistakes or do anything remotely close to being stupid.


bah

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:45 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

Hoods path:

Begins the day joking about.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 03:59 PM, said:

View PostKessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!


He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?


Little comment about omtoses fake reveal, how he seems very guilty. Doesn't actually say much here, doesn't commit to anything.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 08:37 PM, said:

Well I personally haven't seen anybody post anything blatantly suspicious, so there doesn't seem to be much point to vote unless it's as a joke. I pay more attention to a person's behaviour than whether or not they've been racking up the posts. I'm not going to vote someone just because they haven't posted ten times in the first eight hours.

Defense of low-posters here seems reasonable enough.
Hasn't seen anything suspicious.
Again, doesn't get involved. Very non commital.
Very middle of the road, which is a place where scum generally reside.

Then another post defending low posters.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 20 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Morning all! Just finished catching up.

I didn't really look closely enough at Serc until Liosan pulled everything together. None of his statements are terribly damning initially but put them back to back like that and they start to look less offhanded. He mentioned the witch using her BP on day one several times. It seems a bit early to me to be pushing this kind of action. Why not use it later on when numbers are a bit more of a factor? I think he was pushing to use it now and get it out of the way while it would do the least harm. I don't see any real advantage in repeating day one.

I'm not one hundred percent convinced, but this case seems much stronger than the one that was being built against Omtose.

vote serc


Votes serc. Didn't look closely, which strikes me as odd, since generally people look closely at people in mafia. Only the scum aren't looking as much.
Important points in this post:

1. He says he isn't 100 percent convinced, which is very convinient for him later if serc comes up innocent. Again, he is massively middle of the road.
2. He says he dissagrees with the witch using the BP. Bear this in mind.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 20 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

I'm not sure why you find my statement and vote suspicious. I was simply pointing out the fact that Serc's comments did not seem troublesome until you look at them as a whole. Lisoan's post came as part of my first opportunity to look at all of the posts once I signed in for the morning. I came to the conclusion after reading through everyone's comments. I really don't see the advantage of using the bp right away and having a repeat of day one. Serc's actions seem to be far more suspicious than the statements made by Omtose at the outset of the game. I did state I wasn't 100% convinced, he just stands out at the moment. I'm still interested in what Serc has to say for himself, I will be around so I can still change my vote. I wasn't one of those who voted and then said I was leaving or waffled after making my coments. For now my vote stands, we'll see what Serc has to say.


Here agin, he shows he isn't doing much, Again, he is against the witch using BP. Emphasises that he wasn't 100% convinced, how convinient he mentioned that earlier. Is interested in what serc has to say. Draws the attention away from himself, to the other players, who left or waffled.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 20 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

After actually hearing Serc explain his rationale behind using the BP on the first night, it makes much more sense to me. It is the most effective way to limit the Necros, would give the innos more of a chance by virtue of the greater numbers. I'm satisfied with the rest of his explanation as well.

Remove Vote


Removes vote. Suddenly changes his mind. Is completely contradictory. Suddenly, he is for the witch using her BP. Is satisfied with the rest, but doesn't go into detail. Interesting here, is that its after serc explains. If I recall correctly, serc explained that earlier. Which he would know in the first place, had he read up on him. It was probably in liosans case too. Which he'd know, if it was. Unless ofc, he was just hopping on the train, very non-commitally, without actually caring about why. Which is a scum thing to do.

Still VERY middle of the road.

View PostHood's Path, on Jan 20 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

View PostAnomandaris, on Jan 20 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

View PostSerc, on Jan 20 2009, 06:36 PM, said:

This is a completely bullshit case, and I'm amazed its managed to sway innos. If you read over this, you will notice that his only arguments are based on not liking how I play, disliking my advice given to the Witch, and also misunderstanding the word "annoy". Christ almighty, half of those posts were saying he mostly agreed with me lol. If I get lynched for that, I'm going to be fucking pissed.


The rest of your defence I could just about accept, but this did not convince me. The case is NOT completely bullshit - certainly there are parts of it that are weak to the point of being meaningless, but at its core there are your persistant attempts to magnify the perceived threat posed by the Necros. It does not do to dismiss something like this out of hand - reacting with anger makes you look, in my eyes, to be more guilty. Be rational, reasonable, and address everything as best you can, and you'd go some way to redeeming yourself in my eyes.


Vote Serc





Although I've removed my vote I will agree with Anomandaris in regards to your anger. Even if you are pissed you would have been better served by jsut laying out the facts of your argument. While the use BP on day 1 was a big factor for me, there were other people who had some legitimate questions. You didn't adress alot of those questions/suspicions in your response.

The use of the BP was a big factor, or so he says. Yet he thinks its a good idea, these days?

So, impressions:

Hoods path is very middle of the road. He is contradictory. He seems to make little effort to read up, not even sure he read lios case, he just hops on, agreeing.
In fact, over all, I dont think he's contributed at all, he's just made vague comments, voted, removed, done nothing.

Remove vote, vote hoods path

For being contradictory, making little sense, and being massively middle of the road, while trying to show a bit of content.


Heres my HP case from yesterday.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:51 PM

hey all
back from class, got bout 40 min before an appointment then gotta do some data collecting with a good-looking lab partner, :)

people seem to look at me as scum of the psych symp variety.
:) can't say much about that, and my inno CF won't convince anyone anyhow. I can only add that in my ever so humble opinion, if you think i'm a symp you should either look at who else I "symped" on day 1, or, better yet, focus on looking for necros, since they are, as the late Serc kept reminding us, the bigger threat.

also, I may be a bit dense (it IS morning, and i've slept a total of 4 hours last night), but why do we keep bringing up Serc as a possible creature when we are told by the mods that Creature CFs undead?

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:52 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Ruse.
Fucking vote me.
It seems to me like you're trying hard to convince other people to.
Yet not doing so yourself.
If you're so fucking certain that I was actually stupid enough to base a creature guess of something so small, if you truly think I would be stupid enough a necro player to stick up for someone almost certain to be lynched, risking myself, were I a necro, for someone who the only evidence of being my creature is one tiny thing, then fucking vote me for it.


The only reason i am arguing with you is because you seem to think that my theory is completely impossible.
I say no it is definitley plausable, But not enough to put a vote down as of yet.
If i see any more connections linking you to being a necro i will then give it a full go.

Except you keep bitching and moaning and carrying on like you are at fucking L-1

I told you LOOONG ago im done talking about this and want to move on but you keep on picking at this fucking scab...jesus christ can we please continue?

Or are you going to tell me more how shit i am playing?
fuck sakes.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:52 PM

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Oh, you mean it isn't stupid play for scum to stick up for each other.
Yes it is.
They all stick up for each other, and you only have to find one.


All i am doing is putting forward possibilties for discussion.
All you are doing is crying in the corner like a fucking infant because i happen to be pointing at you.


YES sometimes scum DO...stick up for each other.
My fucking word, are you saying scum never do stupid things?

How are we ever to win this game if scum never make mistakes.
How have inno's EVER won anything? Blind luck???

Im done talking to you and your lofty fucking attitude on how to play this game
who are you supposed to be? The Goddamn mafia Paterfamilias?

Fuck in hell, please sir tell us how to proceed since we now know from your holiness, the mafia god himself, that scum never make mistakes or do anything remotely close to being stupid.


bah

Oh yes, lets just hold out for a mistake. Hope they get drunk. No, you look for scummy behaviour, middle of the roading etc.
They're not consistently idiots though. And they don't take gigantically stupid risks.

Oh. Before you lecture me about being lofty, and lecturing you and how to play the game.

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

Its a standard rule in mafia never to reveal anything on thread that the killers can use to their advantage,
SO it is NOT the obvious thing to do, in fact serc said himself that it was stupid because he revealed to the necros a way to comunicate. So its not a "stupid theory"!
you sir, can eat a bag of dicks.

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.


Stop being a hypocrite.

You're telling me what is standard rules, and what is stupid.

Then you're telling me to stop telling you how to play?

And I am looking for scummy play.
Have I once actually attacked you're behaviour? No. I have just defended from your arguments.

Were things as you say, that scum are very stupid, then I would undoubtedly be attacking you.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:54 PM

View PostMockra, on Jan 21 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

also, I may be a bit dense (it IS morning, and i've slept a total of 4 hours last night), but why do we keep bringing up Serc as a possible creature when we are told by the mods that Creature CFs undead?



Your not dense, the subject at hand has just been turned into a goddamn monster.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:55 PM

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Ruse.
Fucking vote me.
It seems to me like you're trying hard to convince other people to.
Yet not doing so yourself.
If you're so fucking certain that I was actually stupid enough to base a creature guess of something so small, if you truly think I would be stupid enough a necro player to stick up for someone almost certain to be lynched, risking myself, were I a necro, for someone who the only evidence of being my creature is one tiny thing, then fucking vote me for it.


The only reason i am arguing with you is because you seem to think that my theory is completely impossible.
I say no it is definitley plausable, But not enough to put a vote down as of yet.
If i see any more connections linking you to being a necro i will then give it a full go.

Except you keep bitching and moaning and carrying on like you are at fucking L-1

I told you LOOONG ago im done talking about this and want to move on but you keep on picking at this fucking scab...jesus christ can we please continue?

Or are you going to tell me more how shit i am playing?
fuck sakes.


1. I know im innocent. Therefore I automatically know your theory is impossible. Im saying these things simply because it doenst matter that I know im inno. I have to show you lot that scum wouldn't do somethinh so stupid.
2. I keep bitching and moaning? You swore first. I responded. I have ever responded.
3. If you're not going to talk to me, does that mean I am not allowed to defend myself from your points. I didn't ask you to keep attacking. I merely pointed out where you were wrong.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:56 PM

View PostD'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 06:57 AM, said:

Well, wrong guy. Sorry Lish :)

Seems I have to defend myself from a few accusations

1. Low poster
Some of have jobs, people. Mine can go from sitting around doing little to flat out in a matter of minutes, therefore I keep the spam minimum and try to post constructively. Rather than producing massive long posts involving hundreds of quotes I would rather list the salient points, a bit like this post. One example - my reply when Meanas asked why nothing was happening yesterday:

Quote

We've had nothing new to chew on for a while, so nothing to add atm.


2. Voting Omtose and then disappearing
Omtose was behaving strangely, apparently revealing as scum, posting left, right and centre for a few hours. A few of us decided to call his bluff since when he dissapeared and has been rarely seen since.

3. Voting Serc after agreeing with one of his earlier points
As I said when voting, Serc's posts when viewed independently didn't arouse suspicion, but when Liosan made his case I was swayed. It was still the best case anyone made on day 1 although now liosan bears some investigation.

Anyway on to the matter at hand which is hunting real scum, this post stuck out for me in my catch up:

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

There is also the chance that Thyr or one of the others that defended Serc thought that Serc was their creature.
I say this because Serc revealed that a creature "can send codes to his his master in his posts" which perhaps made the necros think that he was signaling them to look for codes in HIS posts?

When in fact all he was doing was revealing to the creature a possible way to communicate with his necro masters if he is able to ever catch their attention!

This, I believe, is a bloody good spot.

Back soon



It was Ruse. D'riss just agreed. So therefore

[bVote Ruse][/b]

I really think you are just trying to build a bs case out of nothing. I mean come on, really? You believe that a necro would do anything to defend their creature? And that a code was passed in game that no one saw or thought of, except of coure for the person that mentioned in thread that a code might have been used. No way. Anyway, I'm heading to work for a bit, I'll catch up later.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 02:56 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:36 PM, said:

Oh, you mean it isn't stupid play for scum to stick up for each other.
Yes it is.
They all stick up for each other, and you only have to find one.


All i am doing is putting forward possibilties for discussion.
All you are doing is crying in the corner like a fucking infant because i happen to be pointing at you.


YES sometimes scum DO...stick up for each other.
My fucking word, are you saying scum never do stupid things?

How are we ever to win this game if scum never make mistakes.
How have inno's EVER won anything? Blind luck???

Im done talking to you and your lofty fucking attitude on how to play this game
who are you supposed to be? The Goddamn mafia Paterfamilias?

Fuck in hell, please sir tell us how to proceed since we now know from your holiness, the mafia god himself, that scum never make mistakes or do anything remotely close to being stupid.


bah

Oh yes, lets just hold out for a mistake. Hope they get drunk. No, you look for scummy behaviour, middle of the roading etc.
They're not consistently idiots though. And they don't take gigantically stupid risks.

Oh. Before you lecture me about being lofty, and lecturing you and how to play the game.

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

Its a standard rule in mafia never to reveal anything on thread that the killers can use to their advantage,
SO it is NOT the obvious thing to do, in fact serc said himself that it was stupid because he revealed to the necros a way to comunicate. So its not a "stupid theory"!
you sir, can eat a bag of dicks.

View PostRuse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

sigh....you know what
A necro might find it worth it to stick up for a creature.

Since, if the creature is gone, they cant allow us to lynch the killers untill they have a majority
Or they then are unable to recruit.
So its not SUCH a stupid thing to do.

Not nearly as dumb as you think in fact.


Stop being a hypocrite.

You're telling me what is standard rules, and what is stupid.

Then you're telling me to stop telling you how to play?

And I am looking for scummy play.
Have I once actually attacked you're behaviour? No. I have just defended from your arguments.

Were things as you say, that scum are very stupid, then I would undoubtedly be attacking you.



I talk about STANDARD mafia
You talk bout your own style

But please can we carry on

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