[Ruse]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

p.s eat the dicks mate youll feel better I promise.

I bet I could eat a 100....wait, what?

On a more serious note, Thyr's reaction isnt too insane. I look at it this way. He considers himself VPI due to the fact that he didn't want to lynch Serc. Serc comes up inno, he thinks cool, I am safe. Now day 2 has started and he's getting alot of head. It can get pretty annoing. But I see it this way, Thyr could have been fake symping Serc and when Serc comes up as inno, he thinks he will be in the clear, thus he can now symp his real masters. Just a theory, but its mafia, everyone is suspect.

That has already been brought up

Considering Thyr is a very high poster its not to much of a surprise he is getting some heat.

[Rashan]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:10 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

So go ahead and play the lovely scenarios where the killers kill the creatures and creatures wipe out the killers, and we win without doing anything, but while you're off in fantasy land, i'll be playing WCS thank you.

What is WCS? Also, over reactive Thyr is over reacting!

Worst case scenario, i get it now. Rashan = dense at times. lol

[Thyrllan]

WCS is worst case scenario.
Its the opposite of what ruse is doing when he thinks that the killers may not have thought of things etc, which is essentially wishful thinking.

[Thyrllan]

It is always better to play worst case scenario.
That way, you dont assume wrongly, and get fewer nasty surprises.
For example, assuming everyone who turns up inno is inno.
Because if you assume they're the symp, you can mess up your numbers. You think you've got longer, but because the real symp still lives, you end up losing, cause team scum had a symp, which gave them an extra player that you hadn't accounted for in maths etc...

[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

So go ahead and play the lovely scenarios where the killers kill the creatures and creatures wipe out the killers, and we win without doing anything, but while you're off in fantasy land, i'll be playing WCS thank you.

err, i thought the creature did kill one of the killers

sorry i couldn't help myself.

Maybe if you didn't seem so angry all the time it would be easier to listen to your arguments, you are putting everyones back up with the holier than thou attitiude and it is just asking for a vote.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Damn that im jumping at it.
I'm pissed off:

1. I told you all yesterday, serc is inno. Did you listen. Did you bollocks.
2. And now you're saying that because I told you all he was inno, im suddenly scum myself.

Where the fuck did I say shit about preferring a no lynch.
I would have preffered someone else. Because serc was inno.

It may be standard not to tell killers anything that may help them, but that doesnt.
Yes, it may have shown them a way to communicate.
BUT.
If they hadn't thought of it already, then they'd be new to the concept, wont be good at it, and it'd be easier to find.
If they had already thought of it, it only aids the innos.

I play worst case scenario.
Assuming we had a necro and creature who hadn't thought of a way to communicate their wishes, is NOT worst case scenario.

Worst case scenario is they'd already thought of it.
Therefore, serc saying what he said aids them nothing.

So go ahead and play the lovely scenarios where the killers kill the creatures and creatures wipe out the killers, and we win without doing anything, but while you're off in fantasy land, i'll be playing WCS thank you.

Watever...im not the one throwing all my toys out of the cot.
You see it one way i see it another.


Wonder what you will do if i place a vote on you. I think your keyboard will more than likely crack.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 02:15 PM

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

WCS is worst case scenario.
Its the opposite of what ruse is doing when he thinks that the killers may not have thought of things etc, which is essentially wishful thinking.

But why get so pissy because someones playstyle is different? Thats what I am having trouble with. Hell to be honest, I really don't know what to look for, I mean killers are easy, they make slips all the time, but now they have cover behind a cult, who make slips as well, so I don't look for killers or cult, I look for inno behavior and process of elimination leaves only scum. Thats how I do it, no one else may think its right, but it works for me. Why get so damned defensive?

[Thyrllan]

People shouldn't judge the merits of the case on my personal feelings. If people weren't making me angry, it wouldnt sound angry. So they only have themselves to blame

As for the creature killing a killer, yes, it did.
But say we had one day left, and two suspects, assuming it was going to happen again, and just saying "One today, one tommorow" would not be a good idea.

If people want me to lay it out in a nice calm voice, I can happily do so.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:14 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

Damn that im jumping at it.
I'm pissed off:

1. I told you all yesterday, serc is inno. Did you listen. Did you bollocks.
2. And now you're saying that because I told you all he was inno, im suddenly scum myself.

Where the fuck did I say shit about preferring a no lynch.
I would have preffered someone else. Because serc was inno.

It may be standard not to tell killers anything that may help them, but that doesnt.
Yes, it may have shown them a way to communicate.
BUT.
If they hadn't thought of it already, then they'd be new to the concept, wont be good at it, and it'd be easier to find.
If they had already thought of it, it only aids the innos.

I play worst case scenario.
Assuming we had a necro and creature who hadn't thought of a way to communicate their wishes, is NOT worst case scenario.

Worst case scenario is they'd already thought of it.
Therefore, serc saying what he said aids them nothing.

So go ahead and play the lovely scenarios where the killers kill the creatures and creatures wipe out the killers, and we win without doing anything, but while you're off in fantasy land, i'll be playing WCS thank you.

Watever...im not the one throwing all my toys out of the cot.
You see it one way i see it another.


Wonder what you will do if i place a vote on you. I think your keyboard will more than likely crack.

No.
At that point I will lay out a reasonable argument of why you're wrong.
Providing you give me a point by point account of why im not.

[Ruse]

Liosan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:06 PM, said:

So go ahead and play the lovely scenarios where the killers kill the creatures and creatures wipe out the killers, and we win without doing anything, but while you're off in fantasy land, i'll be playing WCS thank you.

err, i thought the creature did kill one of the killers

sorry i couldn't help myself.

Maybe if you didn't seem so angry all the time it would be easier to listen to your arguments, you are putting everyones back up with the holier than thou attitiude and it is just asking for a vote.

Well if the had done like i said and eaten the bag of dicks he might have calmed down, or at least shut up for a little while so we can carry on with the game....

allas...was not meant to be :Surprise:

[Thyrllan]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

WCS is worst case scenario.
Its the opposite of what ruse is doing when he thinks that the killers may not have thought of things etc, which is essentially wishful thinking.

But why get so pissy because someones playstyle is different? Thats what I am having trouble with. Hell to be honest, I really don't know what to look for, I mean killers are easy, they make slips all the time, but now they have cover behind a cult, who make slips as well, so I don't look for killers or cult, I look for inno behavior and process of elimination leaves only scum. Thats how I do it, no one else may think its right, but it works for me. Why get so damned defensive?

Eh?
Im not getting pissy over playstyle.
Im getting pissy because im trying to explain something and people aren't seeing it.

I say

"A good necro wouldn't defend his creature so blatantly when the lynch is inevitable, because when his creature CFs scum, he will be next target. He is much more likely to hide on the train"

They say:

"What if you're a stupid necro"

Its infuriating.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

If people want me to lay it out in a nice calm voice, I can happily do so.

hah....yea when the pressure is not on

[Thyrllan]

Right. A calm explanation, is forthcoming.
Perhaps. If I can keep it calm.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Its infuriating.

Yet completely plausable

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

"A good necro wouldn't defend his creature so blatantly when the lynch is inevitable, because when his creature CFs scum, he will be next target. He is much more likely to hide on the train"

I must have missed something, how would the necros ever know to defnd their creature, the don't know who he is...

[Thyrllan]

Apparently serc dropped some sort of clue, which I picked up on.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:18 PM, said:

Its infuriating.

Yet completely plausable

Only if you assume a bad necro player.
Which is not a good way to play.

[Rashan]

Wow. Ok, never mind, stay pissed. Sorry I got involved. Thats pretty outrageous.just wow. without having to go back through that, who the hell thought that up? D'riss or Ruse?

[Ruse]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

"A good necro wouldn't defend his creature so blatantly when the lynch is inevitable, because when his creature CFs scum, he will be next target. He is much more likely to hide on the train"

I must have missed something, how would the necros ever know to defnd their creature, the don't know who he is...

You seem to be missing allot these days

[Thyrllan]

Firstly, the thing with serc. It seems that people are suggesting I took it he dropped the scum code thing as a hint that he is my creature, making me a necro, and this is the reason I defended him. It has been said that this is something an inno would never do.

1. Serc was an inno. He did it.
2. If so, why wasn't that the reason he was lynched. I can't seem to remember it being a massive part in his lynch.

If I as a necro, thought serc was my creature, here are some reasons I would not defend him:

1. The serc train was inevitable. Me defending him, had he came up as creature, would mean that I would be the next lynch.
2. It would lok far less concpicious, far more innocent, for me just to jump on. Rather than draw attention to me. From this I gain looking innocent, by being on the train of my creature(which is apparently what I thought he was). It was an inevitable train. The chances of me stopping it were tiny. That is a huge risk for a necro to take. A stupidly huge risk, because had he came up scum, id be gone. And if he was my creature, that is a massive blow to team undead.
3. WCS is the way to play. Assuming that I am a terrible necro, who defended his creature like that, is bad play. Assuming your opponent is stupid is the best way to be beaten.

Some basic reasons why it would be ridiculously stupid for a necro to so actively defend someone he thinks is going to CF scum.
Scum defending someone they "know" will CF scum, and being connected to them, is something they don't do. Because it means that instead of losing one member, they lose 2. Scum rarely actively defend each other, cause then when one goes, so does the other. Like dominoes.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 21 January 2009 - 02:30 PM