[Tennes]

That looks cool...
Just thought I'd say it.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 1, 16.5 hours left in the day

23 players still playing, 12 votes to lynch, 12 votes for night

1 Vote Kaschan (Galain)
1 Vote Galain (Fener)
4 Votes Omtose (Ruse, Liosan, Kessobahn, D'riss)
1 Vote Thyrllan (Mockra)
1 Vote Emurlahn (Thyrllan)
2 votes Mockra (Omtose, Shadow)


13 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tennes.

[Korlat]

Anyways, I'm off for the night, so count me out for about ten hours.

Unless someone does something stupid (which I'm hoping for, of course), I'm not real likely to vote for anyone. Thinking back, my last four Day 1 votes were all for really blatant slip-ups/drunken-ness, or even suicidals (GB game), rather than on thin cases or randomness. A strong case would be nice, but I haven't seen anything even close yet.

[Kaschan]

Morning morning morning.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Its the getting another shot at Day One that most spurs me on to ask for it. We don't get that kind of chance often. Usually we mess up on Day One and go after the completely wrong players Day Two, pretty much maximising our losses.

Serc, you've come across as really pushing for the witch to use her BP first night, hence giving us no NK. This strikes me as a bit weird, to say the least, because imo to use it tonight would be a waste - it should be used to protect a player we know has a useful role.

To say that we mess up on day one and then go for the wrong person on day two is kind of counter to your idea, because if we get no info from an NK on night one, then we are probably twice as likely to go after the wrong person on day two.

I dunno, I'm not seeing your argument very well.

Other thing I've noticed - quite a few people seem to be looking for newbies. I think this is counterproductive, it doesn't matter where someone comes from or how many games they've played.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 05:47 AM, said:

I don't feel I missed too much while I was away, but the thing that piqued my attention most was the drawing of attention to the number of votes on Omtose.

To me it always seems scummy to jump on RP/joking as a means to justify a vote. There were a few of them, so I'll be keeping an eye out for them.

*Engage fast gear*

You continue to misinterpret why we (well myself at least) voted for omtose.
There is a fundamental difference between RP, Spam and causing mayhem.

You seem to think they are all the same thing.
I dont mind when people RP thats part of day one, I have loooong ago grown out of it but im definitely not AGAINST RP.
Only when it turns into mindless spam for pages and pages i start to grow wary as it starts looking like you are padding your post count wich is constantly looked at.

But thats besides the point, Omtose and yourself started causing mayhem/confusion/doubt ie. Fake revealing as scum.
You were really not helping anything. It helps the inno's not one fucking bit to pretend to be scum. Even in a joking way.
Why? Because not only are you attracting attention AWAY from what we are trying to accomplish, which by the way in case you didnt know is to catch scum, you are also sowing doubt in the inno's minds as to your intentions.
Afterall its the perfect double bluff for a killer to fake/joke reveal that he is a killer, no?
Dangerous, but rather clever.

You could also be a symp trying to get us all to look anywhere but at you're masters, so to just cause general mayhem and get us talking about any shit other that the game at hand and finding scum is pretty much your job on day one as a symp.
For me, 2 hours into day one Omtose's behaviour was more than enough reason at the time to place the vote.
And his further shenanigans little later on was enough for me to leave my vote there untill i returned today.

I will also add further, that the fact that we got 4 votes on Omtose and then the train promptly stopped picking up speed is an indication to me that I COULD be on the right track. Since there seemed to be a few people who defended Omtose somewhat.
And a few other people who blatantly changed the subject on Omtose pushing us in other directions.
Now i understand that the case was weak and people wanted to look elsewhere.
But then i ask you this, why havent the scum piled onto the Omtose train?
Surely they would have pursued his lynch as he is a classic fall boy for a day one lynch if he is inno and messing around as he has been?
But no, he got 4 votes. Unless all 4 of us are scum i think the train on him was perhaps blocked.

I would also think the Necro's dont mind lynching any old inno and would pile on any lynch train aswell.

Anyways
Enough venting from me...this post is getting way too long.

[Ruse]

Kaschan, on Jan 20 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Morning morning morning.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Its the getting another shot at Day One that most spurs me on to ask for it. We don't get that kind of chance often. Usually we mess up on Day One and go after the completely wrong players Day Two, pretty much maximising our losses.

Serc, you've come across as really pushing for the witch to use her BP first night, hence giving us no NK. This strikes me as a bit weird, to say the least, because imo to use it tonight would be a waste - it should be used to protect a player we know has a useful role.

To say that we mess up on day one and then go for the wrong person on day two is kind of counter to your idea, because if we get no info from an NK on night one, then we are probably twice as likely to go after the wrong person on day two.

I dunno, I'm not seeing your argument very well.

Other thing I've noticed - quite a few people seem to be looking for newbies. I think this is counterproductive, it doesn't matter where someone comes from or how many games they've played.

Also, the killers could kill a Necro tonight, But if the witch uses her power he wont die, correct?
I think that it will be more effective if the witch is able to save the power till later on.

[Ruse]

And the gay magician disappeared with a "poof"

[D'riss]

Morning all.

Apologies for my single post yesterday, work was a nightmare. Just going to catch up and will be back soon...

[Thyrllan]

Im not going to confirm or deny my experience. However, id prefer not to be given the noob card like you guys did to mocker and lisheo in 32, thus allowing them to win in the disco game. Where everyone had cool avs.
And I did not skittishly vote.
I voted serc, he made a decent point, I changed to emur, who I realized looked scummier.

[Thyrllan]

Fener, on Jan 20 2009, 02:16 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 09:12 PM, said:

sigh, well I recall a certain someone who self-voted on day 1 and got labelled as scum and voted off for it...
We really don't react well to humour here, it would seem.

I've noticed several, *cough*Grief*cough* who simply can't distinguish joke from scum. It can be quite frustrating at times.

I don't think its Griefs particularly unable to distinguish jokes.
Or is it more the problem we have to distinguish his jokes from scumminess, when he pretends to be a ninja, or claims sylar post one.

[Kessobahn]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

Im not going to confirm or deny my experience. However, id prefer not to be given the noob card like you guys did to mocker and lisheo in 32, thus allowing them to win in the disco game. Where everyone had cool avs.
And I did not skittishly vote.
I voted serc, he made a decent point, I changed to emur, who I realized looked scummier.

awww. someone got a bit touchy over being called a noob.. Well, Thyrllan, to me you will always be a noob

good morning all

[Thyrllan]

Not really touchy.
More a pre-emptive defense really

If I say nothing, and get a free pass for it, then people realise im not, then im likely to get a lynch pushed on me, which is a waste of a lynch.

[Galain]

Hi Ruse!

I didn't mean you. Sorry to get you so worked up.

I was thinking in particular of whoever it was who voted based on the fact that Omtose used the word 'kill' rather than 'lynch'.

I think you may need to lighten up a little though.

I think people didn't pile in on Omtose because most people could see that it was a laughably weak case. This amazingly alternative hypothesis has several benefits. It explains why most people didn't vote for Omtose and pile on to the lynch, as well as why guilty people didn't do so (it's scummy to pile onto a non-case), and it even takes into account human stupidity (some people did actually try and pile on a bit). Classy and simple.

As for the whole question about the witch. It's an obvious trade-off between power and use. It becomes more powerful the further along in the game we go, but the witch's opportunity to use it is reduced every day, as there is potential for them to die. So, the witch must decide in their mind when the best time to use it is. Risk vs Reward. A very tactical decision for someone to make really.

[Thyrllan]

Mockra, on Jan 19 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

you jump out at me as one of the top posters.
posting and switching votes so much is bound to grab people's attention, so I'm currently thinking symp.

Thing is, in this game a symp can also be the creature role of the cult, and just as dangerous as the killers.

untill I can figure out who (if anyone) you are symping for, my vote'll stay

So here, you're fairly sure im a symp.
Figured it out yet?

Your also saying vote'll stay, which I believe it has.
Yet later, after being pulled up on it, you seem to back off a bit, making jokes and stuff, not really pushing the train your vote is on, which strikes me as odd.

[Kessobahn]

Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 10:53 AM, said:

Hi Ruse!

I didn't mean you. Sorry to get you so worked up.

I was thinking in particular of whoever it was who voted based on the fact that Omtose used the word 'kill' rather than 'lynch'.

I think you may need to lighten up a little though.

I think people didn't pile in on Omtose because most people could see that it was a laughably weak case. This amazingly alternative hypothesis has several benefits. It explains why most people didn't vote for Omtose and pile on to the lynch, as well as why guilty people didn't do so (it's scummy to pile onto a non-case), and it even takes into account human stupidity (some people did actually try and pile on a bit). Classy and simple.

As for the whole question about the witch. It's an obvious trade-off between power and use. It becomes more powerful the further along in the game we go, but the witch's opportunity to use it is reduced every day, as there is potential for them to die. So, the witch must decide in their mind when the best time to use it is. Risk vs Reward. A very tactical decision for someone to make really.

I find this whole omtose thing somewhat odd. To me, so far Omtose has been the only one to receive a few votes that have some basis. Yes, it's a very weak basis. We all know that, but this is day 1 and you will not get anything stronger. If you disagree then I have no problems with that but just shruging of arguments as weak when it's day one is to me a bit odd. We must work with what we have.

My reason for voting him was that post when suddenly he tensed up and got on the serious defensive when what had been thrown at him so far had been nothing but jokes. IT's weak yes, but it is something.

[Thyrllan]

remove vote, vote mockra

Im sure you'll put this down to me being jumpy or whatever.

My reasons:

1. Attacked me for "jumping about". Essentially, for changing my mind.
2. No one else seems to see emur as scum, and he's defended his vote, and im satisfied with that.
3. Mockra said he was going to attack other people. He hasn't actually. In fact, for a long time, he's just commented on a couple of things, joked about, not contributed much. He mentioned ruse was a little agressive, and he didn't like kess, but that was all he said. No follow-up at all. Not only that, but he's not even trying to push me anymore, and im the train he's on.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

As for the whole question about the witch. It's an obvious trade-off between power and use. It becomes more powerful the further along in the game we go, but the witch's opportunity to use it is reduced every day, as there is potential for them to die. So, the witch must decide in their mind when the best time to use it is. Risk vs Reward. A very tactical decision for someone to make really.

But the witch has a BP, so its not risky if you ask me.
If the killers pick her/him for a NK then it is effectively the same as the witch using it on everyone.
same result, no NK, therefore no Necro recruitment.

So for the witch to hold her powers is not a risk at all.

[Silanah]

Now everyone is coming online. Really annoying living in this time zone. You all come online when I am going to sleep, haven't been able to post much today anyway considering i have been busy, gnight.

[Kessobahn]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

remove vote, vote mockra


2. No one else seems to see emur as scum, and he's defended his vote, and im satisfied with that.

I see emur as scum, but I lack anything but a feeling to back it up. I might also be biased by his out of the blue I-must-contribute-but-i'm-afraid-to-do-so vote on me

[Kessobahn]

Silanah, on Jan 20 2009, 11:11 AM, said:

Now everyone is coming online. Really annoying living in this time zone. You all come online when I am going to sleep, haven't been able to post much today anyway considering i have been busy, gnight.

we can't be blamed for your choice of living. If you're so bothered, move to more civilized places