[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 30 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

I am here.
I would like to talk about the odyssey.

I like the case on galain tbh, but not some of the reasons people have given. Even just saying they agree with the case, though I believe lisoan has gone on to say he has done.

Sorry if im not making much sense, i'm really tired. And its still early .

I blame silencer.

What do you mean? I am perplexed by that post.

[Path-Shaper]

teh nights continue to grow shorter, and the passions escalate. this one seems to be over before it even begun

you awaken to a single corpse

Silanah (Masterblue) is dead

it is day 8, 36 hours left weekend freeze is in effect

8 people are still alive (Hood's Path, Ruse, Lioasan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Thyrllan, Rashan)

takes 5 votes to lynch or 4 to go to night

8 people have not voted (Hood's Path, Ruse, Lioasan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Thyrllan, Rashan)

[Thyrllan]

That post:

I disagree with the theory that galain was more suspicious due to being on shadows suspect list. Shadow didnt push him much. This strucj me particularly when ruse voted him giving some reason as him being on shadows list, and when I checked, I realized the last person shadow had attacked had not been galain, but Ruse himself.

However, I do agree that galain was suspicious, mainly due to rashans case, which was good.

In other words:

I agree with the lynch.
I disagree with some of the reasons people were giving for the lynch.

[Thyrllan]

Well that was fast.

[Liosan]

WTF!

[Hood's Path]

Holy shit! Clearly I was mistaken in thinking the weekend was going to be dead like the last one!

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Oh....and

Vote Rashan

He is on the list of people shadow thought scum.
And he didnt react well to my little logical deduction either.
Put some pressure on the fella.

Heres what I mean. "He is on the list of people shadow thought scum". This just seems like a very weak excuse to me.

Shadow, on Jan 29 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

You know what.

vote Ruse

I feel like we are being forced to choose between D'riss and Mockra. In Mafia when I feel like I am being pushed I try to push back. I didn't like the Ruse reaction to the reveal. Mockra has pretty much convinced me he isn't scum. Omtose has had a good gut so far, and that statement that Ruse made about Omtose kind of fading off, makes no sense as the only fading Omtose did was in day 2. He has been front and center with discussion usually. Even if D'riss or Mockra are symps... their just symps. we can win with them alive. We need to kill Killers and Necros. i am out. I will try to be back before a lynch..(I might have a window in a few hours) but if not, I am happy with this vote.

Here is shadows last attack/vote.

In fact, I think i'm going to start by:

vote ruse

Because I dislike how he seemed to attack here with little reason. It just seems like a de-rail attempt to me.
As well as general gut.

[Liosan]

fucking pathshaper made me spit me tea all over my screen but seriously wtf, that was the fastest night ever. Finally people start posting provisionals.

As for silanah, seems random again, i thought they were a solid lynch target? At one point they were leading with the most votes. Off my head i would think the killer(s) think they have this in the bag now and are just removing people they wouldn't expect to be recruitment targets. This isn't like a normal game where they go for people to wifom, i think they are just focused on the numbers. which means they have probably have a solid lead on who their symp is.

Going to check the thread for anyone actively defending someone else and we are going to need to make a decision on omtose and driss.

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 30 2009, 03:58 PM, said:

In fact, I think i'm going to start by:

vote ruse

Because I dislike how he seemed to attack here with little reason. It just seems like a de-rail attempt to me.
As well as general gut.

I also dislike the Ruse crap, but I am more inclined to believe symp. Only problem I have is who was he symping? Going to look back and see what I can find, but I am going to make a case on Meanas as well. Shit. Oh well, Meanas upcoming. Back in a while.

[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 30 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 30 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Oh....and

Vote Rashan

He is on the list of people shadow thought scum.
And he didnt react well to my little logical deduction either.
Put some pressure on the fella.

Heres what I mean. "He is on the list of people shadow thought scum". This just seems like a very weak excuse to me.

Shadow, on Jan 29 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

You know what.

vote Ruse

I feel like we are being forced to choose between D'riss and Mockra. In Mafia when I feel like I am being pushed I try to push back. I didn't like the Ruse reaction to the reveal. Mockra has pretty much convinced me he isn't scum. Omtose has had a good gut so far, and that statement that Ruse made about Omtose kind of fading off, makes no sense as the only fading Omtose did was in day 2. He has been front and center with discussion usually. Even if D'riss or Mockra are symps... their just symps. we can win with them alive. We need to kill Killers and Necros. i am out. I will try to be back before a lynch..(I might have a window in a few hours) but if not, I am happy with this vote.

Here is shadows last attack/vote.

In fact, I think i'm going to start by:

vote ruse

Because I dislike how he seemed to attack here with little reason. It just seems like a de-rail attempt to me.
As well as general gut.

Wow, thats jumping in with both feet! You don't think a little caution might be in order, i mean if the killers started with four members to their faction one wrong lynch and could lose.

[Thyrllan]

Im not advocating a speed lynch, just putting on pressure, and provoking duscussion.

[Liosan]

Can we discuss omtose and driss then, i really do not want to go move toward the end game with an unconfirmed counter reveal or a day 1 killer rp sitting beside me who self confessed uses that technique to make it to the end. Seriously! If you can convince me ruse is scum ahead of either of those, i will vote, but i warn you now it might take some doing.

[Thyrllan]

I dislike omtose's admission.
Playing to survive really isn't something that strikes me as innocent. But im not sure scum would admit that they played to survive.
As for D'riss well, thats a problem, cause of no CF.
Not sure I believe his reveal, but its hard to tell.

[Meanas]

Ok I have been over the last couple of days several times now and I am starting to see a pattern. In a lot of games that I have played the killers have to come forward toward the end of the game and start to drive lynches. This is what has happened the last two days. After the Mockra/Driss reveal feast it seemed as though the Mockra lynch was basically guarenteed. Regardless of how hard Mockra defended himself. I have nothing against that lynch parsay but It seemed pretty obvious to me that D'riss should have been the number one target the day after. Instead we got to see Rashan bum rush galain. When I first read Rashan's case I thought that it was pretty good. However after rereading and rereading both it and all of the last several day's posts I dont' really think that any more. Instead I think that we are being driven to lynch by the killer or the remaining Necro.

Rashan, on Jan 28 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

Caught up.

Vote Mockra

Probably a symp, but I don't agree with letting scum run lose, get them out of the way before they sow more confusion, then look over their previous posts. Besides, I am a bit miffed at not being able to build a case on him.

Rashan's first post after D'riss and Mockra both reveal. Asks no questions just trys to get in as quick as possible. No defense that Mockra or senerio that anyone came up with could get him to remove his vote. He didn't even really think that it was remotely possible for D'riss to be a symp or an undead.

Ruse, on Jan 28 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

Rashan are trying tom silence your symp before he makes a mistake perhaps?

Ruse points it out and has to end up spending the rest of the day defending himself from attacks.

Rashan, on Jan 28 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

Well, I for one am glad that everyone is ignoring Mockra! I mean, this isn't steering the game? Really? Every other post has been a question to or a response from a major liability. Lynch one, then the other. Same mafia techniques that worked for years, hold true today.

Now I agree with this logic but I wanted to prolong the process and personally I thought that D'riss was more likely scum then Mockra. Why didn't you stick with this logic today. What brought about the big jump to Galain? Are you certain that D'riss is no longer scum.

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Well... 5 votes on Mockra, maybe a double voter, so possibly L-1, and he's the only lynch option. Just that I don't see an awful lot in the case against him, but since Ruse said Mockra was defending known killer Emurlahn, I'll set aside my dislike and distrust of Ruse and go with the chance of lynching a possible scum.

Remove vote
Vote Mockra

Several people didn't jump on this case. But Omtose did and decided to use Mockra's defense of Emu on day one as his reason. I personally wouldn't be surprised if I had defended both a killer and a Necro through out the game. On day one this is not worthy of a lynch vote.

Rashan, on Jan 29 2009, 04:30 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

To Rashan how is my play style the same as Galain's??? You obviously didn't look very far to see my posts. I had one this page as well as several on the page before. Do you read the posts from were you were last on or were you just looking to make sure that your symp hadn't revealed anything? I noticed that you are suspecting Ruse of acting weird when Mockra revealed. I actually didn't think that he was doing anything strange or suspicious. I went back over his posts after the reveal and he was asking questions and trying to come up with ideas. You on the other hand Voted for Mockra as soon as you could. When Ruse callled you on it you didn't say boo. I want to get to the bottom of the reveals and counter reveals. But your reaction was suspicious.

If you'll read the thread, you'll see I am not the only person having trouble telling the 2 of you apart. And as to the play style thing, it seems to me that both of you are very similar in showing up and agreeing with the cases presented, but neither of you have jumped in with both feet, and put yourself at risk. One addendum here, I haven't re-read the thread in full in a couple of days, but I don't remember either of you putting forth an actual case, or even speculating on anything other than a current case.

Meanas, on Jan 28 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

There is a good reason why we kill both people when we have a reveal and counter reveal. Because you don't know who is what. No in this case when we have had 2 nights blocked it seems as if both might be telling the truth as to their roles. BUTT a big but I think that it is very likely that one of Ruse/D'riss are a symp and I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them were recruits. If they get PI/RI/CI or any other Ied then we are letting potential recruits/symps live longer. I know that it is more important to find a the killers/Necro's. But as of right now we don't know if a killer is still alive. The last killer might have been Ando. In which case Mockra as a symp would no longer (assuming that there are only 2 killers) have a reason for going on and could try to make as much trouble as possible. Which is what he has done. That is really the only reason that I can see for him to have came up and revealed when he did. It is also why I am more inclined to lynch Mockra now.

I really don't understand this part, you say Ruse or D'riss are the probable symp, yet the reason you think Mockra isn't a symp is why you are willing to vote him.

To answer your second question I was refering to Mockra/D'riss but I was looking at a lot of Ruses posts at the time and I didn't pick up on it. It should be pretty ovbious that is what I was referring to what had we been talking about all day. I had never called Ruse a symp and don't think that he is.

Rashan, on Jan 29 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

Omtose, on Jan 29 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

Well, that means I'm wrong.

How many nights (witch brew excluding) is that now that we have only 1 kill?

Amp and Kess were killed, then we lynched Korlat. There was one kill that night and one modkill, then no kill the next night, one kill the next and then a no kill, now one kill again.

This next interchange tossed me for a bit of a loop when I first read it. I went back and checked and sure enough Korlat was killed at night not lynched. So that got me thinking. Did Rashan mess up and think that he was Pming his partner or what. I mean it just doesn't make any sense. Unless Rashan is scum and Omtose is his partner. Korlat was nked not lynched. The only we could be the killers. Now in a game of this size it is entirely possible that we could have 3 killers and one symp. With a cult and some strong innocent roles it could all balance out.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 30 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

it is Day 7, just a bit over 29 hours left

10 people are still alive (Hood's Path, Silanah, Thyrllan, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Ruse)

takes 6 votes to lynch or 5 to go to night

1 votes Galain (Rashan)
2 votes Silanah (Hood's Path, Thyrllan)

7 people have not voted (Silanah, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Ruse)

Now I am on to the day just passed. Strange that rather then Rashan looking to do what he said we should do by lynching one of the revealers and then the other he immediately goes after someone else. While his case was decent. I think that what really got Galain lynched was Galain's lack of a defense. He just made it to easy for Rashan and his partners.

Rashan, on Jan 30 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jan 29 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

Edit: Removed the quote O.o

Sil, symps fake symp as well. and who knows, maybe Thyr is distancing. Fair is fair after all. And you haven't said yet what you think of my case, nor who you think is scum.

Omtose, on Jan 30 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Vote Galain

I like Rashan's case on Galain.
If you read back, you'll see that Liosan has me pegged as a must-lynch somewhere due my day 1 RP and my near exclusive focus on the cult, making me a potential pushy psycho (triple alliteration ftw!). I then added Galain to that list as well - day 1 RP and next to no solid contributions to scum finding, he admits it himself 2 posts or so above this one.

So, that could be a psycho laying low, hoping to avoid the radar after using day 1 RP for the exact same reason as I did: a gamble to become high profile on absolute nonsense, then fade away from the radar when something slightly more substantial comes up.

While I'll now vote Galain, I'd still like to see the Meanas case - if only to make sure that if you end up dead, we still have your thoughts on your second suspect (basically the same thing I said to Liosan regarding Meanas' case and quotage on GL).

Here is Omtose ready to back up Rashan and keep any pressure off of D'riss.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 30 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

it is Day 7, 19 hours left

10 people are still alive (Hood's Path, Silanah, Thyrllan, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose, D'riss, Ruse)

takes 6 votes to lynch or 5 to go to night

3 votes Galain (Rashan, Silanah, Omtose)
2 votes Silanah (Hood's Path, Thyrllan)
1 vote D'riss (Galain)

6 people have not voted (Liosan, Meanas, D'riss, Ruse)

Rashan, on Jan 30 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

remove vote

If there is a double voter on he's at L-1 and we have 19 hours, off to work, more in a bit.

This is the other really suspicious thing. We need 7 to lynch and there is only 3 votes on Galain. But Rashan removes his vote and rather then say that he want's to give Galain more time or he is scared of the speed at which his votes have been pilling up he instead says that he is afraid of a double voter.

Rashan, on Jan 30 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

Bah what the hell,

Vote Galain

Time is stopped for the break I belive, and Galain didn't post any kind of defense. The only other case I want to look into is Meanas. And I believe it'll be a long weekend, so I will have pleny of time for that.

Now he comes back and puts his vote back on Galain. He does this before the weekend break has actually been anounced.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 30 2009, 06:10 PM, said:

Note: Time will stop for the weekend break NOW. There will be no Mod kills.
Since there isn't much time left in the day it would be nice if we can roll through the day and into night over the weekend if possible. Otherwise when time is back on you'll have 10 hours to get the lynch. Time will start 8am GMT Monday.

Also this means if you have a Night Action please send in a provisional. If I don't get the provisionals it will just sit in Night for the weekend unfortunately so it will be very slow.

Ok that is what I got. It isn't the strongest thing possible but I wanted to get it out before night ends.

[Meanas]

Thyrllan, on Jan 30 2009, 09:14 PM, said:

I dislike omtose's admission.
Playing to survive really isn't something that strikes me as innocent. But im not sure scum would admit that they played to survive.
As for D'riss well, thats a problem, cause of no CF.
Not sure I believe his reveal, but its hard to tell.

The big problem is that we can't tell. Which is why I am suspicious about yesterdays lynch. It totally came out of no where and was quick. Rashan and Omtose did a good job of deverting attention away from D'riss. The whole thing smells.

Ok I am out of here.

[Liosan]

Err, night has ended. I like the case though, there seem to be a lot of cases popping up now when we should of reached a point where we had some clear targets, which is seriously worrying. So anyone with a case why don't we put them all up and see where we all stand.

For me - it has to be either omtose or driss, unless someone can pull something fucking amazing out of their arse because an uncomfirmed counter reveal and a self confessed sneaky fucker who thinks he should be lynched is too much this late in the game.

[Liosan]

Going to drink some whiskey and have a few beers. Will check back later.

[Rashan]

We had a fire a few minutes ago at work, turned out to be a brush fire. I will get back in a few hours with my case on Meanas, as well as my defense. Back in a minute.

[Meanas]

Rashan, on Jan 30 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 30 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

Thanks for getting up and making a case Rashan, and it is a good one, not the best that we have seen so far (the case on GL being the best) but you do make some decent points. What helped make up my mind is the lack of a defense that Galain gave. I personally would like to lynch D'riss. For the same reasons that I gave yesterday. But I also don't want to see this day drag out. I find it passingly strange that Rashan would first vote for his case then remove his vote (when there were only 3 votes saying that he was afraid of double voters) then put his vote back on. I think that D'riss needs to be lynched sooner rather then later. I do not see Galain as a killer. However I feel that we must lynch. I will be around for another couple of hours. I would like for Galain to at least make an attempt to defend himself. If he doesn't I will vote for him before I leave.

FYI, I removed the vote due to the sheer amount of time left and the speed in which the train was growing. And I put the vote back on because we are in weekend break and I saw Ruse trying to derail the lynch, which appeared to me to be symp like. However it could be fake symping, but thats Wifom.

FYI you put your vote back on BEFORE Path-shaper said we were in weekend break. I can see what your trying to say about your vote removal, although that wasn't the excuse you used when you removed it. You said that you were afraid of double voters when there was only 3 votes on him. So you are changing your story and lying about when you put your vote back on. Keep moving people nothing suspicious to see here. What has me most concerned is your sudden change from we need to lynch Mockra and D'riss to after Mockra gets lynched lets ignore D'riss. Then I see Omtose following you around and it is at the time in the game when scum try to take over to get the win.

[Ruse]

Hmmm. I thought thyr had more grew matter than what if is showing now. I am very concerned sincee i feel he is being purposefully so. My logical deduction was fairly simple. And your failure to comprehend it is rather alarming. I don't understand how you all think that i was trying to 'derail the galain lynch' ! For Fuck sakes! He has been one of my main suspects the entire fucking game!x i mean COME ON! The only reason i voted rashan is because i made a list of possible suspects and he acted strangly.