Ok, got some answering to do. Generally, people are going off the hunch of a guy who made a major bad decision in this game.
Why was Kesso/Morgoth suspicious of Fener? Was it because of his play? No, it was because Emurlahn told him he tried to kill Fener, and Fener wasn't dead.
So, anyone that's thinking Morgoth's brilliant intuition led to an undead kill yesterday, stop. It was basically a find that led to Fener getting found out.
All Kesso had on me was a gut feeling, and he never backed it up.
Silanah, on Jan 23 2009, 09:46 AM, said:
Ok, here is my case on Kaschan the necromancer. This case is going to be from after day 2 considering he might have been a recruit on night one so any information earlier might be considered irrelevant except maybe a change in play style.
Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:20 PM, said:
D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 05:37 PM, said:
That's me done for the day and as I couldn't get the stoopid phone working last night, I will see you all again tomorrow.
PS Thanks to whoever told me that post 720 was where I needed to go if I had no interest in the Iliad. Saved me hours this morning smile.gif
I thought I'd be sensible and read it all anyway, just in case dry.gif What an idiot.
I see the pissing-contest has finished, which is nice. Never good to read that shit, especially when you've still got about 200 posts to get through!
Now my brain is fried, but I will re-read the Korlat case again. So far I hadn't had him on my radar much.
Other people on the radar - I get the vibe off of Tennes, but only because people who post so little are so damn hidey! I thought that Mockra was very uneager to defend himself when he came on (said he was busy, etc)... don't know whether that's because he is inno and didn't really care, or because he's one of those players who just give up once they are caught out as scum.
Anyway, i should be around a bit more tonight.
Raises suspicions on Mockra and Korlat but doesn't actually make any attempt on a case. I see this as driving any suspicions towards his fellow necromancers onto others.
Driving away suspicions? Of who, exactly? Who was under scrutiny at this point? Nobody, that's who. You'll find that throughout this entire game I've been wary of low posters trying to fly under the radar, and of those who have not attempted to defend themselves once "cornered". That's what I'm stating in the above, and that's a theme of the rest of this case.
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Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:27 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:01 PM, said:
In both cases what I dislike most about Korlat is that he seems to be preparing the next lynch before ones even over.
If hes guilty, we go HERE.
If hes inno, we go HERE.
I think he's preparing his "fall" guys before the lynch happens, which strikes me as scummy.
This is the biggest indication of scum behaviour I've seen from Korlat, I have to agree with Thyr. Trying to lead the flock towards more innos is a typical scum move.
It is still early in the day, and Korlat has a few votes already, so I'll not put one on just yet. This case is less strong than the Serc case yesterday, imo, and that one was wrong tongue.gif
Also gonna do a quick re-read of Mockra, for reasons stated.
Thyrllan raises suspicion on Korlat and he follows without posting anything relevant expect being a hypocrite by saying leading the flock towards more innocents.
Well, you've nicely missed out the posts where I got into a discussion with Korlat about sheep-herding, which I for one consider to be content. I was cautious at this stage, because I was becoming certain on day one that we had spotted Serc as scum and Thyrllan as his symp... and it was wrong, so I didn't want to jump into a vote based on gut.
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Kaschan, on Jan 21 2009, 06:24 PM, said:
Well, you've either just outed a creature, or CI'd two players tongue.gif I'm not sure that ruse anagram is all that hot tbh (although it works better if you take the first e, rather than the last one biggrin.gif)
Silanah appears to have RL issues which mean he can't add any content.
Well I'll do him a favour then...
vote Silanah
Cos you can't just post nothing all game.
eta. cross post.
remove vote
I'm off to bed. If Silanah hasn't made that case by the time I get up, I'm putting the vote back on. Nighty night.
Little bit vote happy about lynching low posters as he know they are not of his cult, happy to prolong members of his cult dieing.
That was not vote happy. I have consistently talked about the annoyingness of low posters, and this vote was on Silanah because at that point he had posted nothing of content. The remove vote two seconds later was because I had crossed posted with him, and he said he was going to build a case, so I removed the vote to give him the chance. This is
not vote happy.
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Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 02:35 AM, said:
Tennes, you're not the only one who has other commitments. But you post nothing of use. Nothing. It seems like you're hiding, or you are scum with nothing to say.
I'm off to work, and like Tennes, I won't be back for some time, but let's see if I can get a little more content into my post.
vote Tennes
See you all later.
Back to lynching low posters once again without posting much reason other than Tennes posting no content
How is this "back to" lynching low posters? When had I turned away from it? At this point in the game, nothing was going on, and after Silanah upped his game, I turned attention to Tennes... who still refuses to come and play this game. Silanah is reaching here.
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Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:02 PM, said:
Woooah, some action! While Kessobahn was a bit hasty to reveal today, I can't honestly see him doing that unless it was real. I mean, you'd have to be a dumb-ass to try and get away with that.
Fener did post a code (although you'd have to really stretch the definition of the word "code"), but that's really the only scummy thing he's done.
So, is Fener a necro? I wouldn't have thought so, but shit, our way is clear. Either Fener is a necro, or Kessobahn is a liar, so we have our classic lynch-one-and-find-out scenario.
However, we should wait for him to come on and post a defence. Plus, I do agree that he's more likely to be a recruit than a full necro... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch him tongue.gif
I will leave my vote until closer to deadline (or until he defends himself), as we seem to have two double-voters in the midst somewhere.
Path-Shaper, on Jan 22 2009, 03:24 PM, said:
Standard rules for the cult, you don't gain the powers of a Necromancer, you are merely on their team you keep your existing role etc.
Note its a little unclear, our own fault for not proof reading. I blame JA personally.
Also since its come up a few times, The Creature can still win if the others on his team are dead since he is an original member of the Undead. The Recruits require a Necromancer alive.
And just to complete the clarification process, Necromancers know if they have recruited successfully.
Mods, do the recruited learn the name of their masters?
If so, we should look through Fener's posts for clues if/when he comes back necro.
This is where he starts to get scared considering Kess has seen through Fener's lies. Brings up an issue of Kess being a lier, trying to sway the train but does not vote for Kess as that would seal his fate. Says he will leave his vote until closer to deadline which he never does as he hopes it wont come to a lynch.
I didn't call Kesso a liar. I quite clearly stated that the best way forward was to lynch Fener, and if it turned out that Kesso had lied, we would lynch Kesso. This is standard play.
Unlike a few people, I actually wanted to see if Fener had a reasonable defence to the claim, especially considering Kesso's poor judgement with the reveal - fucking hell, Fener could have been the witch, and BP on night 1. I was going to be around until deadline, and I knew there were two double posters around, and taking him to L-1 or 2 would basically equal a steamrollering.See below post.
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Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:35 PM, said:
Right, ok, that puts Fener at L-2, which could conceivably actually be a lynch with the double-voters. The guy hasn't been on since the reveal, so we should be careful not to speedlynch him here. There's still a good 4 hours left in the day.
Saying we should not speedlynch him considering he wishes to derail the train from his fellow necromancer.
Are you actually trying to claim that a speed lynch is ever a good thing?
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Kaschan, on Jan 22 2009, 12:49 PM, said:
Yeah, likely thing is we're just going to lynch Fener. But seems a bit rushed to lynch him without a response, if we have the chance to wait.
Having said that, haven't seen him on in a while so I reckon he's just given up the ghost and is avoiding the thread. That's what I do when I'm scum and been found out tongue.gif
eta. corrs post.
Definite weirdness. Day one - claim killer, then disappear. Day 2, vote random person when there is a massive lynch target to be addressed. Maybe Omtose is not really paying attention.
Continues his attempt to stop a fast lynch.
Yeah, and also looking at the weirdness of Omtose coming on between the whole either-Fener-is-lying-or-kesso-is-lying situation and voting for GL. That could quite possibly have been some major diversionary tactics, which is what you're saying against me... but I suppose it's one rule for Omtose, one rule for Kaschan.
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