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Provisional from MentMockra-Witch:

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so, now i've gotta protect the supposed medium....

whom I believe to be recruited

gah
if Fener's CF not inno, use night power
if he is, do not use yet.

that's a confirmed order.

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From HinterD'riss:

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OK, this is mafia and I'm guessing sportsmanship is fairly low down on the list of priorities, but I've got a crazy theory trying to form in my mind.

Would an inno, thinking that a scum faction is more likely to win the game, deliberately set out to get recruited by that faction so as to end up on the winning team? Or is that against the "spirit" of the game?

I told him a player should play for his current team. I'm wondering if he's asking for himself or because he think that's what Kessobahn is doing. Let's see.

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OK, this is mafia and I'm guessing sportsmanship is fairly low down on the list of priorities, but I've got a crazy theory trying to form in my mind.

Would an inno, thinking that a scum faction is more likely to win the game, deliberately set out to get recruited by that faction so as to end up on the winning team? Or is that against the "spirit" of the game?

That's a gray area. The rule says you have to play for your current team, or at least that you can't purposefully do anything that hurts it.

You can play to try and get recruited, if you find a way that doesn't hurt your current team. That's a mod decision at the end, so if you're not sure you can ask what you plan to do first.

Bloody hell, this game messes with your head! I can see how people get addicted.

haha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2009 - 05:22 PM

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Provisional from ShadowDude:

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Provisional Find on Kessobahn (undead) .

Question. If he is inno now. Gets targeted for NK tomorrow, AND is recruited. Will my find be of his affiliation at the start of the day, or at the begining of the night. ie.If he is an inno that is recruited undead tomorrow will I get a Inno result or an undead result. Kinda important.

Also KESSO WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?! this early... for a recruit, or even a necro... God I hope you are a cultist. please don't be the medium. I think we are fairly boned if we lose our CF this early.

Find is before kill (thus before rescue), so it would be the faction at the beginning of night.

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Second witch holds off:

D'riss said:

Off v soon and may not be back before end of night so I am taking NO Action tonight

Interesting, since Mockra is using his. Good call, in a way, but a little lucky

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2009 - 05:34 PM

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The Dude ponders some more:

Shadow said:

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Provisional Find on Kessobahn (undead) .

Question. If he is inno now. Gets targeted for NK tomorrow, AND is recruited. Will my find be of his affiliation at the start of the day, or at the begining of the night. ie.If he is an inno that is recruited undead tomorrow will I get a Inno result or an undead result. Kinda important.

Also KESSO WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?! this early... for a recruit, or even a necro... God I hope you are a cultist. please don't be the medium. I think we are fairly boned if we lose our CF this early.

Find is before kill, so you will see his affiliation at the beginning of night.

Dammit. ok, thanks. which means its probably a wasted find as he will be lynched tomorrow anyway if he isn't night killed. If he's a symp he comes back inno, if he's inno recruit he comes back inno, if he's a necro.. well he won't die tonight and we will kill him tomorrow with a CF..... Remove that provisional. I need to think about this.

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YellowKaschan's provisionals:

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Assuming morgy45 doesn't make the distance...

1) me
2) Galain
3) Galayn Lord

I'm drinking, and my nets are playing up, so there is a chance I won't be around by end of day.

I have to live up to my word about voting Fener closer to the time, though, or I am a dead man.

Note to Fener (from the graaaaaaave. Or to it, whatever):

Unlucky mate Pleasure doing business with you.

Of course I'm doing him a massive disservice by assuming he's not going to pull something mega out of his arse (megasaur?), but I have a feeling he's decided to give up the ghost. I tend to do the same, when I'm scum. I can't think in the face of cold, hard facts. I'm too nice to be a weasel

I prefer RI to this!

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Some PMs from YellowKaschan, urging his moribund buddy:

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Dude, you've got to claim as the witch!!! Only way out. You survived because of your BP, not because you got recruited.

Yeah, there might already be a witch in there, but there might not be. Take the chance, it's your only one.

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Oh, and by the way, since you're likely not going to be around after tonight ... who do you think should be on my list?

I'm thinking

1) Me
2) Galain (in case killers or the creature think he is a twin and take him out... our creature must surely have picked up on your signals towards Galain and Ruse)
3) Dunno, any suggestions? (and that includes suggestions from the mods ) Probably Ruse?

I'm thinking Gaylord might be the creature, and might be a target, so I might put him on there.

Definitely not putting Kessobahn on there. Mr. CF can go fuck himself. Nobody wants him around

PS - told you not to reveal the code, lol.

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Glaaaargh, the clock is ticking away

Mate, if you get this, hurry up and come claim witch! Hurry, young Frodo, hurry!

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More from Yellow, this time just for us

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By the way, sorry for not posting many spoilers... but when you're scum, there's really no guesses to be made.

Who's the creature? Fuck knows. Who are the killers? Fuck knows. But if we get rid of the CF, then nobody will know shit, and that helps the scum... I prefer the end-game where I don't know if I'm winning to the end-game where I know I'm fucked.

Maybe it was a bit hasty to come out and go for Fener, but Kessobahn has had us pegged immediately.

Which makes me think that Kessobahn is Morgoth, cos that son of a bitch can smell my scum scent a fucking mile off, and he pinned me from post 1. Git.

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Night action confirmations:

Kaschan said:

Ok, confirm provisionals.

We've got a killer and a creature out there. They both have to target the fucker, just in case someone adds a heal or BP or something.

Despite what Kess seems to think about CFs, I'm happy continuing to lynch randoms and recruit who I think will get NKed until the cows come home.

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Ooooh I think Il
kill Kesso
as there was no healer role that i noticed just a guard and an uber BP which i cant do anything about

Indeed, and Ment's "extend BP" provisional kicks in as final since Fener was lynched and not inno.

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From KessoMorg:

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I just realised that Kaschan is Yellow. God it would be so beautiful if he was evil again.. I dunno if you remember an addition to my sig I used for a while, but it was a comment from yellow after I tagged him as a killer day one and never stopped hounding him

*crosses fingers for the witch*

hahahaha

and Yellow:

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Lol, what the fuck just happened? I either sent you a half-written message, or I completely didn't.

New keyboard, keys very close together. Fat fingers. Not good match.

Anyway, the basic gist of it was that if I was Emu, I would have answered Kess's question with "Go fuck yourself."

I'd rather the other scum won than the innos.

Oh man, I love mafia

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Vengeance:

Meanas said:

Ok well hopefully he has noticed me. I swear if he kills me at night I will make a list and put him on it for the next 3 games. Bugger anyway. Ok so if Fener was Morgoth45 then that makes thyllan = Grief. Right now I like how the game is going for us. I still haven't seen what got Emu killed so it must have been random. I bloody hate random...sigh... Other then that I think that we are in a good position. The focus is on the Necro's not on us. Only a few people even remotely suspect us and the misserable cases that they have built are seriously sucky. I was kind of disappointed that the other person with two votes didn't get on this train. But I don't think that I can be pin pointed. I might have to lay off the next lynch train though. If I can.

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Plus no I am toss dirt on the medium in a way that will just leave a slight smell of suspicion there. Keeping people paraniod and second guessing is the best way to keep them from looking at Liosan (who had better not kill me tonight).

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2009 - 07:15 PM

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The finder needs to think more:

Shadow said:

ok I really feel a Kesso find would be worthless as he can be changed tonight... unless he's already a Necro.. but if he's alive tomorrow he is probably going to be lynched. So, I am pretty sure find on Kess is bad. Now we have 2 double voters. You wouldn't give 2 double votes to team inno would you??? It'd be nice, and could balance the possibility of if one of them got recruited... but then the other would know as they wouldn't be able to communicate. right?

Question: a lover is recruited to by a Necro can they still talk?

Ok back to rambling. There is a double voter among Liosan, Meanas, D'riss and Korlat. There is also a double among Kasch, Rash, Anomandar, and Omtose. What does this mean you ask?? well nothing. but I wanted to get it out there incase I lost it later

Well, I like Omtose's intuition on Gaylord. He did Lay low and is now trying to post more....So he's a possibility. Maybe Korlat or Galain. I will be around the next few hours. I will get back to you before I go. Want to try some things on thread first.

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OK, a bunch of PMs then I'm off to bed.

Vengeance:

Meanas said:

Ok I just realized that Kesso will probably be lynched in the next day or so. Why cause both the killers and the necros will want him dead. Also the innocents won't be able to trust him cause of the chance that he had been recruited....What a wonderful thing he did for us. With him gone the innocents are going to be at a nice disadvantage. Plus if Fener had a role then that is gone same with Serc or the guy you mod killed.... Vengeance is a happy camper right now. If I get killed tonight I won't be a happy camper come morning time. Liosan had better recongize me and act accordingly. If I lick his ass to hard everyone and their brother will know.

Meanas said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 22 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

The other point is that it doesn't CI him as far as I'm concerned. Now that he has revealed as RI, he moves to the top of the list of players most likely to get NKed/Necro Recruited. I'm not going to be taking him completely at his word from now on, that's for sure.

EDIT: Crosspost with Shadow x3.

Love it....tehehehehe

Morgoth:

Kessobahn said:

I was hopind i'd be CI now, I never considered the angle of a necro sacrificing a recruit. I guess I thought they'd come up differently or something.. Damn.. Ah well. Perhaps if I get Kaschan lynched or something.. I'll have to think about this..

In case Kessobahn dies btb, the question I wish to ask him is: "How is it possible for someone to be as wonderfull as you are?"

morgoth45's answer, I sent it to the other Morgoth:

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Sorry morgoth, you have been lynched.

Please answer this question from the medium, then I'll send you the SH password.

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What is the alt of your partner?

P.S. I remind you that you of course don't have to answer honestly.

Kessobahn.

Kesso's reaction:

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Kessobahn

well, I guess it wouldn't really work out.. Hehe, funny

hehehe

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Morgoth said:

Still, it's somewhat amusing I got morgoth45 lynched. Karma it's called

indeed



OK, Gavin, when you wake up:

It's night, we're waiting for the night action of the finders (single and twins) as well as confirmation of the symp guard (current provisional, Korlat).

The Mockra witch extends his power, so if he isn't blocked there should be no NK or rescue. The D'riss witch witholds.

If Mockra is blocked, then we need confirmation from the killer and the Creature, as of now it's Ampelas (killer) and Kessobahn (Creature). The rescued are Kaschan, Galain, and Gaylord.

Be back in around 9 hours.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 January 2009 - 07:53 PM

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Man its getting crazy here now, some more spoilers.
From Vengy, right on the money with the gay lord

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In the best case senario for us the Medium get recruited the physic does a find anounces it we lynch Kesso and then have the physic out in the open... Not to mention the fact that the witch will have used up her over all BP trying to keep Kesso alive. Oh what a shitty position kesso put the innocents in. Now I just have to figure out how to get the creature and the Necros while keeping my guy alive. I think that Gay lord is probably a necro.

And a little more Vengy who is wrong I think it was just random and crazy

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Oh and please let Liosan keep his mouth shut during night. The one thing that might have lead to Emu's death is that he was talking to Fener and thyllan during the night. If the creature had been on and had not already decided on a kill then he might have gone for one of the people who were posting at night.

And even more Vengy

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Well if I might try to take another run at Silanah. He still hasn't done anything worth keeping him around for. And people who come on and only post one sentence posts are really irritating especially when they only do it 3 times a day. It is irritating when Grief does it 80 times in an hour but at least he is in there playing. I hate the waiting game. If I am on the chopping block go ahead and let me know.

Now from Dibs, entitled "Withhold NK"

Liosan said:

like fuck


hehehehehe


kill ampelas - reason - just why.

i was going to withhold and make the creature think there had been a witch bp so they would target kess two nights running, but i need to thin the numbers a bit.

And here is Shadow with his confirmation, a good choice, the Necromancers are done

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Alright, confirm action, god this feels like a crap shoot... Could do Kess, but its a waste. Kess has killed us a Undead and suspects Kasch... the thing is I really don't think Kasch is undead because of his comments on the undead earlier. Other than that, there weren't really any people that stood out one way or another. Omtose's call out of GL was interesting, but I think GL just wasn't thinking. (maybe new?)... OK I guess I am going to

Find on Kaschan (undead)

Because I will know by watching Kess's actions whether he is recruited.

Well you'd think, except now here comes the big moment.. Mockra

Mockra said:

hold my action
I need to think

And the other finders as well,

Korlat said:

Find Kaschan Dead or not-Dead

My partner should be sending the same shortly.

And now Mockra again

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no action

confirmed

arg, me not like this

Well fuck that changes everything. Still waiting for the confimation from the other Finder and Tennes but might resolve it soon anyway.

So we have
Killers: Kill Ampelas
Killers Guard: Rashan

Creature: Kill Kesso.
Necros: Raise Kaschan, Galayn Lord, Galain

Finders: Kaschan
Finder: Kaschan
Both Witches: No action.

[Stalker]

I agree that my death was random. Galayn wasn't even around, unfortunate.

Both witches chose to hold on to power, interesting. PS are they paired?

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Nope they're not paired, I think we went a bit overboard actually we probably should only have one witch, for the life of me I can't remember why we thought another Witch would be needed. I think its because we have no Healer at all, but I think 1 witch would have been fine. To be honest I'm expecting both Witches to use their power tomorrow, so it won't matter.

Your death was random and wrong, he should have been targeting someone obvious who would be on the list of the people to be recruited. Ruse was the obvious one. I don't know why he picked you at all. Part of the challenge of the game was not only just to survive but also try and work out who to kill/not to kill for the Killers/Creature. And then the Necros trying to guess them, with the killers trying to second guess etc.

Hasn't worked out that way with the strange start. Kaschan for sure will go tomorrow, and we'll be down to 17 players, 2 seperate killers and 2 symps for one of the killers. Which isn't a bad setup for 17 players

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Right confirmed from the other Finder Silanah

Silanah said:

Gavin said:

I am waiting your confirmation for your night action.

dead/alive on Kaschan I think Korlat sent in.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 January 2009 - 02:48 AM

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Well its just Tennes to confirm so I'm going to end night now.

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So Vengy seems happy with the way that night went.

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That is spectacular. Morgy and Alt so very Sweet. That is perfect for us. Oh man. Liosan has to be so excited. I can't believe that those dopes the Necros didn't try to get Kesso. Hahahahaha. I am not going to post till I get to work in the morning... But to Morgy Thanks a lot budy you seriously helped my team

However the two finders have all but annouced themselves on thread straight after night. Trying to get theories on his role, why assume he has a role unless you're roled yourself.
And then straight in with the vote saying that was a great case, when there was no case on Kaschan.

Dibs is bound to get one of them.