[Aptorian]

Sword, sword, sword, sword, sword, sword... wait, what were we talking about now?

I think people were just having a laugh because this thread seems to have been made out of pen... swordenvy of the Rake thread.

Really, who doesn't enjoy every scene where Dassem cuts things to ribbons. For me he was part of what made RCG worth reading despite its faults.

[Seguleh 1st]

goddamned moderators.

[Aptorian]

Seguleh 1st, on Jan 14 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

goddamned moderators.

What seems to be the sword?

[Called-by-the-Voices]

Dassem Ultor is awesome. He really is. And none can deny that, cuz all this Dassem-SWORDhate showed up only after he sworded Rake... huzzah

[Abyss]

The answer is 'Wolverine'.


- Abyss, out.

[Lisheo]

Aptorian, on Jan 14 2009, 08:44 PM, said:

Seguleh 1st, on Jan 14 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

goddamned moderators.

What seems to be the sword?

I lolled.
And I happen to be a mod too....

[Called-by-the-Voices]

Abyss, on Jan 14 2009, 10:00 PM, said:

The answer is 'Wolverine'.


- Abyss, out.

Jason Bourne

[The Drum]

Quite a few Rake fanboys have said on this thread that Grief is a lesser sword than dragnipur and that if he wanted to, rake could have destroyed grief easily.
I don't get that at all. WHY i hear you ask? COS GRIEF WAS RAKE'S SWORD, HE USED IT TO DEFEAT DRACONUS AND THEN TOOK DRAGNIPUR AS HIS OWN, IF GRIEF WAS INFERIOR THEN HOW DID RAKE MANAGE TO BEAT DRAC WITH IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and before some smart ass says 'why did Rake not keep Grief then? Probably cos Dragnipur is a device that captures a soul and torments it by forcing it to pull a damn big wagon, therefore if Rake left the sword for some badass to claim it who would use it for wrong, then Rake would have to kill that person too cos he's a good guy really and in his eyes only bad people should be in there.

There i've said it, so go suck eggs

This post has been edited by The Drum: 14 January 2009 - 09:13 PM

[Grief]

1. Dragnipur is a nastier sword than Grief. It contains the Gate of Darkness. It took thousands of years to forge, and thousands of years to power. Nastier weapons destroy less nasty ones.
2. Dragnipur is a responsibility. I am fairly sure that Rake took Dragnipur, as well as for rivalry reasons, because he did not think a cruel bastard like Draconus should have it. It is a sword of ultimate judgement, so a burden on the one using it, and they need to be responsibile with it.
3. Rake beat draconus by being better than him. And your logic is wrong. If Rake beat draconus with grief, why is Draconus inside Dragniur. He fought with Grief. He killed with dragnipur.
4. This is not, I believe supposed to be a who'd win thread. Rake is the answer, all evidence points to it. It has already been dicussed very thoroughly. This is for showing appreciation for dassem, an awesome mortal swordsman.
5. Rake did not destroy grief because he wanted dassem to win. Had he cut dassems sword in half, that wouldve made it fairly hard for Rake to get Dassem to kill him with dragnipur.

[Illuyankas]

@The Drum: LADY ENVY

Also the Dassem hate showed up after someone made a thread and commented that he didn't like Dassem, Apt made a poll about who liked Dassem and it spiralled from there. Strange, I return and then threads about hate start appearing. Coincidences, eh?

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 14 January 2009 - 09:21 PM

[Grief]

Or just an inordinate amount of people hate dassem...

[Called-by-the-Voices]

I don't agree with the "Rake would win" theory, but I concur that this is a mere appreciation thread, with no anti-Rake thoughts. So Rake fans should take their bitterness elsewhere...

[The Drum]

Grief, on Jan 14 2009, 09:18 PM, said:

1. Dragnipur is a nastier sword than Grief. It contains the Gate of Darkness. It took thousands of years to forge, and thousands of years to power. Nastier weapons destroy less nasty ones.
2. Dragnipur is a responsibility. I am fairly sure that Rake took Dragnipur, as well as for rivalry reasons, because he did not think a cruel bastard like Draconus should have it. It is a sword of ultimate judgement, so a burden on the one using it, and they need to be responsibile with it.
3. Rake beat draconus by being better than him. And your logic is wrong. If Rake beat draconus with grief, why is Draconus inside Dragniur. He fought with Grief. He killed with dragnipur.
4. This is not, I believe supposed to be a who'd win thread. Rake is the answer, all evidence points to it. It has already been dicussed very thoroughly. This is for showing appreciation for dassem, an awesome mortal swordsman.
5. Rake did not destroy grief because he wanted dassem to win. Had he cut dassems sword in half, that wouldve made it fairly hard for Rake to get Dassem to kill him with dragnipur.

I'm sorry but just cos Dragnipur was forged with Burns hammer blada blada blada I still don't see why people think it could destroy Grief if the wielder wanted too!!
If that was possible then Draconus would have done it to rake when they first fought and Rake would have been inside dragnipur not draconus.
Oh, unless of course Rake switched swords with drac before they fought, then didn't destroy grief cos he liked the sword but fought for three days so he could inprison Drac with out hurting Grief. (yeh right)

The facts are - yes dragnipur is a hard sword, it's probably indestructable (except when Brood destroys it) but it can't just chop up another sword. grief is also a tough sword to break as Rake f***ing made it.

I'm not by the way saying X is harder than Y. Just that saying Rake could have beaten Daseem cos his sword was better doesn't add up

This post has been edited by The Drum: 14 January 2009 - 09:28 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm going to go Dolorous Menhir here and say:

I now hate this thread. Dassem is awesome. Rake is awesome. End of story.

[Lisheo]

HoosierDaddy, on Jan 14 2009, 09:33 PM, said:

I'm going to go Dolorous Menhir here and say:

I now hate this thread. Dassem is swordsome. Rake is swordsome. End of sword.

Editted for accuracy.

[Called-by-the-Voices]

HoosierDaddy, on Jan 14 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

I'm going to go Dolorous Menhir here and say:

I now hate this thread. Dassem is awesome. Rake is awesome. End of story.

Nice! That was kinda my point

[HoosierDaddy]

Swordkay.

[Grief]

Its pretty well stated that a nastier weapon destroys a lesser one.

Now, consider all the stuff about dragnipur.

Now, what is so special about Grief? It makes you a bit better if you're strong willed? Not exactly the most powerful imbuement ever.

Also, it probably depends on the situation.

Im not talking about a swordfight.

Im talking about methodically sitting down and whacking grief with dragnipur.
In a sword fight, you defelect blows etc, and they wont always be full power blows, etc. It would be massively impractical to try and break someones sword in the course of a normal swordfight.
Im not saying it'd be esay for dragnipur to break grief, like they could do it any time they wanted.

In a sword fight, breaking someone elses sword is hard, particularlarly against someone so skilled as rake, with a sword well made, so itd be almost impossible to break in the normal course of a straight swordfight.

But if someone strong took the time to smash grief with dragnipur, grief would break, although im not saying it would be fast, and certainly not easy.

[Grief]

Lisheo, on Jan 14 2009, 09:36 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on Jan 14 2009, 09:33 PM, said:

I'm going to go Dolorous Menhir here and say:

I now hate this thread. Dassem is swordsome. Rake is swordsome. End of sword.

Editted for swordcuarry.

Editted for swordcuarry.

[HoosierDaddy]

This thread is rapidly becoming "Rake's dad could beat up Dassem's dad."



Immaculate Rakean conception FTW!