[wintersun]

When Pearl and Yostora Yil (sp?) were traveling the imperial warren they come across a crucified dragon. Has the one who committed this act been identified in the series? It seems like this would have been quite the task to carry out this deed. We know that elder gods have the power to kill dragons as evident with

Spoiler

Kilmandros and Scabardori Bloodeye.

Then again a soletaken is not an Eleint.

[Aptorian]

Nobody knows, but Erikson has claimed it's an essential part of the story's plot.

You also have to note that it's not "just" a dragon, it's an Ottataral Dragon. A being that is anathema to magic and the warrens. By all rights it shouldn't exist, but it may be a form of answer to the other dragons taking on aspects of the warrens. Meaning it adresses this situation and is supposed to create balance.

We still don't know though.

[D'rek]

Someone awesome made an awesome thread about this wherein that person (who is/was awesome) linked a bunch of things and made smart and logical and awesome assumptions making an awesome explanation. And it was awesome.

But the bit I can remember from that is that it seems rather likely the Otataral dragon was crucified by Soletaken Eleint, based mostly on the dragon tracks left behind (and identified by Pearl) and by the sign left behind with the names of those who crucified it (the general idea being that feral dragons don't often leave sign-posts with their names on them around).

[Aptorian]

Uhm what sign? I don't remember that.

I think I remember it hanging on wood which we connect to a race not mentioned yet in the series as of DG.

[Illuyankas]

It had a list of names including Draconus and K'rul, it's the first time we find out those two are Eleint Soletaken. The notice was written either near the dragon or in Kurald Liosanland, just before Pearl and Lostara had to run screaming away from the fires.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Illuyankas, on Jan 5 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

It had a list of names including Draconus and K'rul, it's the first time we find out those two are Eleint Soletaken. The notice was written either near the dragon or in Kurald Liosanland, just before Pearl and Lostara had to run screaming away from the fires.

I think Draconus is a strong suspect, solely because he is

a ) linked to the Eleint
b ) not a nice person

This post has been edited by Dolorous Menhir: 05 January 2009 - 06:29 PM

[Illuyankas]

Crap, I'm getting the list of who sealed SD with who crucified the otataral dragon mixed up.

As for who did it, it's probably the Eleint Soletaken, and Draconus is likely top of that group.

[Aptorian]

A ha, I was getting worried there a second.

[kairuf]

Might it represent the fallen god becouse in MoI you learn that the Fallen god fell to the contonent that semi became the imperial Warran

and also that the crippled god was imprisoned in a forgotten warren

[Aptorian]

It sounds more probable that the Ottataral dragon is connected with K'rulls shaping of the warrens and certain dragons taking on the aspects of the warrens.

Some also speculate that the dragons exists because of something that happened in the elder times. More on that in MT.

[Urb]

D'rek, on Jan 5 2009, 01:28 PM, said:

Someone awesome made an awesome thread about this wherein that person (who is/was awesome) linked a bunch of things and made smart and logical and awesome assumptions making an awesome explanation. And it was awesome.

Do you mean this one?
http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...showtopic=11726

If not, please link to the one you are talking about. I need to read this awesome you speak of

This post has been edited by Urb: 07 January 2009 - 06:19 AM

[D'rek]

Yeah I think that's the one.

[Illuyankas]

I always thought it was the result of the dragons 'loosing their veins' or whatever they did in response to Scabby messing around, then got stuck on a stick when Killy and Mael picked on Scabby to death.

[Aptorian]

Spoiler

Old topic there.

As far as we know after the prologue of RG the "child of indescribable terror" was an Edur myth. A kind of boogyman they made up to explain how their god could have been killed.

Since there was no mention what so ever of this child in RG most likely it never existed or Erikson forgot all about it.

[Hoods_Balls]

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Aptorian, on Jan 7 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

Old topic there.
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As far as we know after the prologue of RG the "child of indescribable terror" was an Edur myth. A kind of boogyman they made up to explain how their god could have been killed.

Since there was no mention what so ever of this child in RG most likely it never existed or Erikson forgot all about it.

Could that be Kilmandaros? I kind of always took Killy to be sort of a big elder god simpleton, going around bopping people on the head. She seemed to be of lower intelligence/childlike, and she is the one who killed ole' one eye.
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[Hoods_Balls]

kairuf, on Jan 6 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

Might it represent the fallen god becouse in MoI you learn that the Fallen god fell to the contonent that semi became the imperial Warran

and also that the crippled god was imprisoned in a forgotten warren

if the CG is elient/soletaken that could make sense, as that dragon was "chained" in the land that cg fell onto (imperial warren now). Though i know of no reason to believe the CG is soletaken/elient

[Aptorian]

Hoods_Balls, on Jan 7 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Aptorian, on Jan 7 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

Old topic there.

Spoiler

As far as we know after the prologue of RG the "child of indescribable terror" was an Edur myth. A kind of boogyman they made up to explain how their god could have been killed.

Since there was no mention what so ever of this child in RG most likely it never existed or Erikson forgot all about it

.

Spoiler

Could that be Kilmandaros? I kind of always took Killy to be sort of a big elder god simpleton, going around bopping people on the head. She seemed to be of lower intelligence/childlike, and she is the one who killed ole' one eye.

Spoiler

Killymandaros had been around for a long time before then. She has a past with Mael and Gothos. She is also told that her "children" has lost their way. meaning she's existed long enough to probably found an entire race.

[Hoods_Balls]

Aptorian, on Jan 7 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

Hoods_Balls, on Jan 7 2009, 06:24 PM, said:

Aptorian, on Jan 7 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

Old topic there.

Spoiler

As far as we know after the prologue of RG the "child of indescribable terror" was an Edur myth. A kind of boogyman they made up to explain how their god could have been killed.

Since there was no mention what so ever of this child in RG most likely it never existed or Erikson forgot all about it.

Spoiler

Could that be Kilmandaros? I kind of always took Killy to be sort of a big elder god simpleton, going around bopping people on the head. She seemed to be of lower intelligence/childlike, and she is the one who killed ole' one eye.

Spoiler

Killymandaros had been around for a long time before then. She has a past with Mael and Gothos. She is also told that her "children" has lost their way. meaning she's existed long enough to probably found an entire race.

Spoiler

A long time before when?
Scabby was the tiste edure god, and he was killed hundreds of thousands of years ago...hence the reason the name of the one who killed him has been lost in myth.
So of course as an elder Kil was around back then. Making it quite possible she is the indescribable terror. Also she probly did found a race, but the parts that you read about her still make her sound slightly childish mentally.
could her children be the imass? they certainly lost there way.

Just tossing some ideas out there.

[Aptorian]

Spoiler

The Edur Myth says that the child of Indescribable terror was created in response to Scabby's betrayal and the sundering. Meaning she should be weeks or months old or something at the time of the RG prologue. That doesn't make sense.

Everything we see suggests that Killy is as old as any of the other EGs.

[Hoods_Balls]

Aptorian, on Jan 8 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

Spoiler

The Edur Myth says that the child of Indescribable terror was created in response to Scabby's betrayal and the sundering. Meaning she should be weeks or months old or something at the time of the RG prologue. That doesn't make sense.

Everything we see suggests that Killy is as old as any of the other EGs.

Got ya... i had forgotten about the part that it was "created" at that time, thanks for clearing that up.