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Just saw the last episode tonight. Some nice stuff in there. The line "Good men don't need rules and now is not the time to find out why I have so many...", is absolutely inspired; that sends serious chills down the spine and Matt Smith's delivery, as with all the more sinister lines the Doctor has had over the last couple of series, is note perfect. Smith's version of the Doctor seems to have far more of the element of barely repressed danger about him than any of the others; he's a sweet, funny old man with a box who has the capacity to be so ruthless that he might decide to one day wipe out your entire species if you give him the slightest amount of cause. No wonder he has so many rules.
The new Doctor Who.
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Posted 10 June 2011 - 11:02 PM
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do. If some one maintains that two and two are five, or that Iceland is on the equator, you feel pity rather than anger, unless you know so little of arithmetic or geography that his opinion shakes your own contrary conviction. … So whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants. Bertrand Russell
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 01:07 PM
Ah, good ep...interesting reveal about River Song. I give the writers of this season big props for their ability to tie so much stuff together.
OK, I think I got it, but just in case, can you say the whole thing over again? I wasn't really listening.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:54 PM
Okay, there is something seriously wrong with a lot of the people who post over at Gallifrey Base forums. It's like a who's who of weirdness and obsessiveness that I don't think you could even attribute to Star Wars and Star Trek fans. It's the place where nerdery and geekery goes to become totally pretentious assholes.
I think I have to stop going there. I only get rageful when I do so. I've NEVER been to a forum like that before where so many people are so clearly insane.
Makes me love this place all the more!
I think I have to stop going there. I only get rageful when I do so. I've NEVER been to a forum like that before where so many people are so clearly insane.
Makes me love this place all the more!
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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:17 AM
Whovians have always been a bit weird.
If an opinion contrary to your own makes you angry, that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no good reason for thinking as you do. If some one maintains that two and two are five, or that Iceland is on the equator, you feel pity rather than anger, unless you know so little of arithmetic or geography that his opinion shakes your own contrary conviction. … So whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants. Bertrand Russell
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 08:15 AM
Dear God, please allow the security camera footage to leak to the internet. 
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http://www.news.com....i-1226083220779
Dr Who star Karen Gillan reportedly found naked and whimpering in New York hotel corridor
From: The Daily Telegraph
June 28, 2011 8:12AM
Dr Who star found naked, whimpering in hotel
Cast, crew had thrown all-night party
WHERE'S the Tardis when you need it.
Karen Gillan, who stars as Amy Pond in Doctor Who, was reportedly found naked in a New York hotel corridor after a night of riotous partying.
Gillan, 23, who plays the Time Lord’s assistant, was seen "whimpering" in the nude by guests at 7am before security arrived, wrapped her in a sheet and escorted her to her room, the Daily Mail reported.
Gillan and Doctor Who costars, including the Doctor actor Matt Smith, were staying at The Ace, one of Manhattan’s trendiest hotels, on a promotional trip.
After fulfilling their duties, the cast and crew enjoyed "one long party", according to fellow guests. One permanent male guest told the Daily Mail he heard someone trying to open his door at 7am.
The resident, who later identified the stranger as Miss Gillan, said: "I went to the peephole and looked out. I saw a man at the lift who was looking back at someone who was attempting to open my door … the next thing I saw was a woman giving this person at my door two towels before getting into the lift and leaving.
"Then I saw this young woman, completely naked, trying to wrap two towels around her and not having much luck.
"She then started to whimper and knock on my door. Seeing that she wasn’t getting anywhere, she lay down with the towels covering her."
Security arrived, noticed her room key and wrapped her up and took her back to her suite. The resident added: "I never saw Lady Godiva again."
Suzanne Leonara, another resident, said: "This girl looked as though she hadn’t been to bed. Everyone who saw her thought she was completely zonked out."
The trip, organised by BBC Worldwide, the corporation’s commercial arm, took place in April.
Last night a BBC Worldwide spokesman said: "We’re unaware of this alleged incident." Gillan’s spokesman declined to comment.
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OK the whimpering and insane-level drunkenness - not so hot. But still ...
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http://www.news.com....i-1226083220779
Dr Who star Karen Gillan reportedly found naked and whimpering in New York hotel corridor
From: The Daily Telegraph
June 28, 2011 8:12AM
Dr Who star found naked, whimpering in hotel
Cast, crew had thrown all-night party
WHERE'S the Tardis when you need it.
Karen Gillan, who stars as Amy Pond in Doctor Who, was reportedly found naked in a New York hotel corridor after a night of riotous partying.
Gillan, 23, who plays the Time Lord’s assistant, was seen "whimpering" in the nude by guests at 7am before security arrived, wrapped her in a sheet and escorted her to her room, the Daily Mail reported.
Gillan and Doctor Who costars, including the Doctor actor Matt Smith, were staying at The Ace, one of Manhattan’s trendiest hotels, on a promotional trip.
After fulfilling their duties, the cast and crew enjoyed "one long party", according to fellow guests. One permanent male guest told the Daily Mail he heard someone trying to open his door at 7am.
The resident, who later identified the stranger as Miss Gillan, said: "I went to the peephole and looked out. I saw a man at the lift who was looking back at someone who was attempting to open my door … the next thing I saw was a woman giving this person at my door two towels before getting into the lift and leaving.
"Then I saw this young woman, completely naked, trying to wrap two towels around her and not having much luck.
"She then started to whimper and knock on my door. Seeing that she wasn’t getting anywhere, she lay down with the towels covering her."
Security arrived, noticed her room key and wrapped her up and took her back to her suite. The resident added: "I never saw Lady Godiva again."
Suzanne Leonara, another resident, said: "This girl looked as though she hadn’t been to bed. Everyone who saw her thought she was completely zonked out."
The trip, organised by BBC Worldwide, the corporation’s commercial arm, took place in April.
Last night a BBC Worldwide spokesman said: "We’re unaware of this alleged incident." Gillan’s spokesman declined to comment.
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OK the whimpering and insane-level drunkenness - not so hot. But still ...
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 01:20 PM
Oh god...this ship is sinking...
After Piers Wenger (DW producer) stepped down as head of drama BBC to go work for iFilm....
This...
http://www.doctorwho...lis-leaves.html
Leaving only Moffat....this ship seems totally like it's sinking.
After Piers Wenger (DW producer) stepped down as head of drama BBC to go work for iFilm....
This...
http://www.doctorwho...lis-leaves.html
Leaving only Moffat....this ship seems totally like it's sinking.
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 02:24 PM
I think you underestimate the power of the writer. Can't remember if you're USAian or UKian, but in the UK, and especially at the BBC, it's writer who really has much of the power, especially one with Moffat's track record. I've no doubt he'll have a lot of say in who gets appointed to keep DW up to par.
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Posted 07 July 2011 - 05:33 PM
UseOfWeapons, on 07 July 2011 - 02:24 PM, said:
I think you underestimate the power of the writer. Can't remember if you're USAian or UKian, but in the UK, and especially at the BBC, it's writer who really has much of the power, especially one with Moffat's track record. I've no doubt he'll have a lot of say in who gets appointed to keep DW up to par.
Canadian.
Yeah, no Moffat is great as a writer, but so far as a showrunner he's been kind of hit and miss for me this season. While I enjoyed most of Season 5, season 6 is really not going down well with me.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 03:36 PM
Are you referring to that idiosyncratic, obsessive-compulsive discussion about mirrors over there QT?
I'm in two minds over whether Janie, the ring-leader, is nuts or a very sophisticated troll. Does she really think that a "grand tradition" of "mirrors and mirror like conventions" structures and informs the whole of Doctor Who storytelling? I think that she's reading her own meta-theory into the show, finding it there because she expects to find it. She seems to think that the same "grand tradition" was the heart of storytelling in Lost, which suggests to me that she has a one-track mind. I wouldn't be surprised if she finds mirrors at the heart of every story she comes across. The best part is that 95% of the other posters are taking her seriously. They're looking out in every episode for every shot of a mirror or anyone's reflection in anything, and pondering the deep meaning that Moffat and his creative team are trying to convey with it.
I'm in two minds over whether Janie, the ring-leader, is nuts or a very sophisticated troll. Does she really think that a "grand tradition" of "mirrors and mirror like conventions" structures and informs the whole of Doctor Who storytelling? I think that she's reading her own meta-theory into the show, finding it there because she expects to find it. She seems to think that the same "grand tradition" was the heart of storytelling in Lost, which suggests to me that she has a one-track mind. I wouldn't be surprised if she finds mirrors at the heart of every story she comes across. The best part is that 95% of the other posters are taking her seriously. They're looking out in every episode for every shot of a mirror or anyone's reflection in anything, and pondering the deep meaning that Moffat and his creative team are trying to convey with it.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 05:08 PM
Future Warrior, on 10 July 2011 - 03:36 PM, said:
Are you referring to that idiosyncratic, obsessive-compulsive discussion about mirrors over there QT?
I'm in two minds over whether Janie, the ring-leader, is nuts or a very sophisticated troll. Does she really think that a "grand tradition" of "mirrors and mirror like conventions" structures and informs the whole of Doctor Who storytelling? I think that she's reading her own meta-theory into the show, finding it there because she expects to find it. She seems to think that the same "grand tradition" was the heart of storytelling in Lost, which suggests to me that she has a one-track mind. I wouldn't be surprised if she finds mirrors at the heart of every story she comes across. The best part is that 95% of the other posters are taking her seriously. They're looking out in every episode for every shot of a mirror or anyone's reflection in anything, and pondering the deep meaning that Moffat and his creative team are trying to convey with it.
I'm in two minds over whether Janie, the ring-leader, is nuts or a very sophisticated troll. Does she really think that a "grand tradition" of "mirrors and mirror like conventions" structures and informs the whole of Doctor Who storytelling? I think that she's reading her own meta-theory into the show, finding it there because she expects to find it. She seems to think that the same "grand tradition" was the heart of storytelling in Lost, which suggests to me that she has a one-track mind. I wouldn't be surprised if she finds mirrors at the heart of every story she comes across. The best part is that 95% of the other posters are taking her seriously. They're looking out in every episode for every shot of a mirror or anyone's reflection in anything, and pondering the deep meaning that Moffat and his creative team are trying to convey with it.
Yeah, dealing with her and the 3 or 4 die hard supporters of her (and that Jon Blum asshat) has driven me away. Permanent Ban don'thca know...LOL...but I asked them to do it so I wouldn't come back.
Posting over there didn't make me a bigger Doctor Who fan...it just made me sad that DW fans could be so insane.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 05:50 PM
I just noticed you were banned a couple of minutes ago. I'm reading through the "farewell Moffat" thread now.
I don't know if you can still access the site due to its bizarre you-must-be-a-member-to-even-view-the-forums policy, but at least one guy agrees with you about the other members:
"Chasepan
Yes people do call each other stupid here and in the past I've been called stupid and been basically made fun of and when I respond in kind, I get chastized. Now I don't respond in kind, tha'ts just as wrong. But you DO have valid points here, people are mean. I find that in general DW fans are mean to each other and like calling each other stupid rather than just presenting their difference of opinion. In fact, they relish it. They desire it. In addition, responding in an angry comment back, as I've been guilty of, is no better really. But you do have a few good points: it is mean here and people go out of their way to try to make you look foolish including misquioting your posts and trying to counter with discussions about...philosophy and water and stuff."
I don't know if you can still access the site due to its bizarre you-must-be-a-member-to-even-view-the-forums policy, but at least one guy agrees with you about the other members:
"Chasepan
Yes people do call each other stupid here and in the past I've been called stupid and been basically made fun of and when I respond in kind, I get chastized. Now I don't respond in kind, tha'ts just as wrong. But you DO have valid points here, people are mean. I find that in general DW fans are mean to each other and like calling each other stupid rather than just presenting their difference of opinion. In fact, they relish it. They desire it. In addition, responding in an angry comment back, as I've been guilty of, is no better really. But you do have a few good points: it is mean here and people go out of their way to try to make you look foolish including misquioting your posts and trying to counter with discussions about...philosophy and water and stuff."
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 06:21 PM
Future Warrior, on 10 July 2011 - 05:50 PM, said:
I just noticed you were banned a couple of minutes ago. I'm reading through the "farewell Moffat" thread now.
I don't know if you can still access the site due to its bizarre you-must-be-a-member-to-even-view-the-forums policy, but at least one guy agrees with you about the other members:
"Chasepan
Yes people do call each other stupid here and in the past I've been called stupid and been basically made fun of and when I respond in kind, I get chastized. Now I don't respond in kind, tha'ts just as wrong. But you DO have valid points here, people are mean. I find that in general DW fans are mean to each other and like calling each other stupid rather than just presenting their difference of opinion. In fact, they relish it. They desire it. In addition, responding in an angry comment back, as I've been guilty of, is no better really. But you do have a few good points: it is mean here and people go out of their way to try to make you look foolish including misquioting your posts and trying to counter with discussions about...philosophy and water and stuff."
I don't know if you can still access the site due to its bizarre you-must-be-a-member-to-even-view-the-forums policy, but at least one guy agrees with you about the other members:
"Chasepan
Yes people do call each other stupid here and in the past I've been called stupid and been basically made fun of and when I respond in kind, I get chastized. Now I don't respond in kind, tha'ts just as wrong. But you DO have valid points here, people are mean. I find that in general DW fans are mean to each other and like calling each other stupid rather than just presenting their difference of opinion. In fact, they relish it. They desire it. In addition, responding in an angry comment back, as I've been guilty of, is no better really. But you do have a few good points: it is mean here and people go out of their way to try to make you look foolish including misquioting your posts and trying to counter with discussions about...philosophy and water and stuff."
I spose with 50,000 members there's a lot of room for crazy. I started off there delusionally thinking it would be discussion like we have here that engenders mostly interesting theories and fun chat (mostly), and it just wasn't that way there. It took Janie and a few others to show me that they were there to be counterproductive.
Ah well.
It's funny, a lot of people hate Storm Wolf with a passion...but she's the only one to call it like it is, call a spade a spade a lot of the time and be realistic.
I am convinced that Janie spends ALL her time looking for mirrors and then screenshots to back her up. I actually think she's clinically unwell...
thanks for showing me Chasepan's post. Appreciated.
Hopefully you fare better over there than I did.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:08 PM
Primateus, on 10 July 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:
what's this about mirrors?
That the storytelling is consciously and persistently structured around mirrors. This includes actual mirrors seen in the show, as well as mirror related conventions, such as role reversal or facing your dark half.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 04:40 AM
So, last week I decided to hell with actually finishing Stargate Atlantis on Netflix after suffering through 4 seasons. I wasn't sure what to watch next and then I recalled always seeing great stuff about Doctor Who on io9.com. Started with this doctor on Friday, I believe it was, and just got caught up. This show is superb! I absolutely loved nearly every episode of season 1. Such great ideas! Season 2 has been pretty great so far as well. The River Song reveal was excellent. Now I gotta get caught up with Torchwood!
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 12:47 PM
Hearshot22, on 12 July 2011 - 04:40 AM, said:
So, last week I decided to hell with actually finishing Stargate Atlantis on Netflix after suffering through 4 seasons. I wasn't sure what to watch next and then I recalled always seeing great stuff about Doctor Who on io9.com. Started with this doctor on Friday, I believe it was, and just got caught up. This show is superb! I absolutely loved nearly every episode of season 1. Such great ideas! Season 2 has been pretty great so far as well. The River Song reveal was excellent. Now I gotta get caught up with Torchwood!
You ought to go back to proper Seasons 1-4 & the Specials (the ones it sounds like you watched were Season 5 & 6), as you haven't seen anything of what the show can do.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:44 PM
I plan on it after I get caught up with Torchwood. I started to watch the first season and I liked it, but I wasn't sure if that was the best place to start. Googled it and first hit recommended starting with Season 5 and working backwards if the viewer enjoyed it.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 02:05 PM
Hearshot22, on 12 July 2011 - 01:44 PM, said:
I plan on it after I get caught up with Torchwood. I started to watch the first season and I liked it, but I wasn't sure if that was the best place to start. Googled it and first hit recommended starting with Season 5 and working backwards if the viewer enjoyed it.
Who says to do that? That's a bizarre way to watch. That's decidedly weird. Considering stuff like River Song is actually introduced to a previous Doctor.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 03:43 PM
@Hearshot22: I'd advise watching seasons one and two of Doctor Who before you start on Torchwood. Torchwood was produced after Doctor Who season 2, and both Doctor Who seasons one and two have elements that lead into Torchwood. Doctor Who season one introduces and develops a MAJOR Torchwood character, Doctor Who season two introduces and develops Torchwood (the institution) itself.
Also, I'd have suggested watching Doctor Who from the actual season one, with Eccleston, but oh well. I can't see why someone would recommend starting with season 5, unless because it's more recent and therefore 'modern', but that's a silly reason/doesn't outweigh the benefits of watching it from the start and in order and getting introduced to River Song properly.
Also, I'd have suggested watching Doctor Who from the actual season one, with Eccleston, but oh well. I can't see why someone would recommend starting with season 5, unless because it's more recent and therefore 'modern', but that's a silly reason/doesn't outweigh the benefits of watching it from the start and in order and getting introduced to River Song properly.
