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New Dawkins Campaign score one to the Atheists?

#301 Cold Iron

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:25 PM

It's a valid interpretation considering it's a retaliation or kneejerk reaction. Also "Watch out, Jesus is following you" doesn't have the same ring to it.

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:28 PM

Arguably the Malazan characters have at least as much existence as I would argue the Judeo-Christian deity has (and all the others for that matter); inasmuch as a couple of guys have written books about them. They could be said to exist as concepts in the imaginations of SE, ICE and us lot. For non-readers and/or people who have never heard of them they have no existence whatsoever.

The big "but" here is that this existence is not ascribed to have any bearing on the universe at large beyond some of what we say and do (and SE, ICE and their publisher's bank balances

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#303 Cold Iron

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:40 PM

Beyond what christians say and do and the churches bank balance the same can be said about the bible. It's just that christians can say and do some dangerous things, like "I don't worry about global warming because I know that the rapture is coming real soon".

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Posted 13 October 2009 - 09:43 PM

Or the equally sensible "Three words - Evolution is a lie".

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:14 AM

Cold Iron, on 13 October 2009 - 08:50 PM, said:

Jesus loves you is a conceptual metaphor that makes people feel calm and happy. There is no god is a sensationalist scare campaign with debatable political consequences.

I was under the impression that the point being discussed was something along the lines of false advertising or some such. Why else would we debate whether or not 'there is no God' is fact or otherwise? Your point is another discussion entirely.

'Jesus loves you' is a propaganda slogan, and it pisses me off every time I see it, because of the bullshit campaign it represents, and the obvious political consequences. If I remember correctly from the beginnings of this thread however long ago that was, those who bought the ad spaces felt that a lot of people out there might be like us and immensely relieved to see their beliefs becoming more 'normal'.

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There it is.

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#306 Cold Iron

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:26 AM

Well we were talking about triple G's beliefs as he resurrected the thread. His correction of Morgoth was clearly wrong tho and not worth discussing.

The crux was whether "there is no god" implies more "belief" than "there is probably no god".

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:54 AM

Cold Iron, on 14 October 2009 - 12:26 AM, said:

Well we were talking about triple G's beliefs as he resurrected the thread. His correction of Morgoth was clearly wrong tho and not worth discussing.

Aw, man. That kinda hurts. Not worth discussing? Jeez, that's harsh bro.

Cold Iron, on 14 October 2009 - 12:26 AM, said:

The crux was whether "there is no god" implies more "belief" than "there is probably no god".

No, MY crux was that "there is no god" implies factual knowledge; "I don't believe there's a god" implies belief (or lack thereof) in the absence of factual evidence.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:09 AM

Ya but since there's quite obviously no available evidence for god, "there is no god" implies that the strength of your conviction indicates a belief, whereas "there is probably no god" implies that you have examined the available evidence and drawn the logical conclusion. Morgoth only ever bothers to post when he's right.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:13 AM

Cold Iron, on 14 October 2009 - 02:09 AM, said:

Unless of course he's feeling catty.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:52 AM

or happens to be drunk

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 06:37 AM

Morgoth, on 14 October 2009 - 02:52 AM, said:

or happens to be drunk

The genius of this post is

1) He's right
2) He's catty
3) He's probably drunk.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 12:43 PM

Well, we gotta take drunk outta the equation. I can't get drunk.
I'll settle for just being right.
It's tough, but I can handle it.
That's not catty, is it?

Pain is just weakness leaving the body.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 03:12 PM

Grand Goombah Graeld, on 14 October 2009 - 12:43 PM, said:

Well, we gotta take drunk outta the equation. I can't get drunk.

Therefore, there is no god, for why would he let one of his children suffer so.

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#314 Cold Iron

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 09:13 PM

Ah but have you considered that trips (that would be my new name for triple-G) is not one of god's children?

He could be a demon, a devil, or worse, a spam-bot!

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 11:55 PM

Demon.

Ahem, trips?

Don't piss off the demon. Haven't you learned anything from reading the MBotF?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 12:04 AM

Yep, and that's that cold iron beats hot iron.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 12:06 AM

Yeah, but what does hot or cold iron have to do with pissing off the demon?

Pain is just weakness leaving the body.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 12:09 AM

Well, in a great big mix of real-life and Malazan, a demon is from Hell, which is hot. Thus....

It was meant to be a Malazan related joke, way to ruin it!

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