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Mafia 35 game thread - Ghostbusters

#1641 User is offline   Emurlahn 

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:04 PM

View PostMockra, on Dec 11 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

View PostD'riss, on Dec 10 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

Oh, interesting.

Well, we can see it this way: out of the two (Emur, Mockra), right now, one of them is good roled and one of them is evil roled. Lynching them both guarantees we kill a scum, and a good role.

But since Slimer is a guard and there was a kill, then neither of them is the missing killer, so maybe we can let them both be for now and focus on the missing killer?


Well, I think one reason why Mockra doesn't want me to reveal, is because my night action worked last night. So, ladies and gents, we have ourselves a liar.
My role is both trivial and not trivial. It's not trivial once I understand exactly what it does, but it is trivial up until then. I think if I reveal, the killer probably can't ignore me, so I'd buy the GB another day.


1) you claima finder is a trivial role.

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Oki, I'm Peck, from the US Environmental protection agency, send to investigate the crisis.
Yes, that's right, I'm the little bastard who got the GB arrested and was then referred to as Dickless by one of the GB (had a youtube moment there), but I'm a Goodie none the less(and even if you refuse to believe that, the fact that I'm human means I don't have to be eliminated). I'm a Finder.

You spot the trouble, neh?
Peck was adamant in refusing to acknowledge ghosts and the need for the GB to be around and fighting them.
So, maybe I am an insane finder, but if so, who do I identify as what? There are 3 categories I think: normal human beings, paranormals, and GBs.

If insane, I'll spot GBs as bad guys, but that still leaves the ghosts, that I refuse to believe in...
Last night, I seized the opportunity to investigate a known RI (so VPI) and see how they came up, so I investigated HP.
He came up as 'not being involved in unpleasantries'.

That's all I wish to say for now. I'll also say that I have a person who gave a 'was causing problems' result.

EDIT: to paraphrase and not get suck into clause B7


you claim finder but at the same time you say you may be insane, people arent told they are insane finders what would be the point you just look at the opposite of what you got. this is such bullshit reveal. Oh peck was adamant he didnt believe in ghosts?? 2) is that what it says in your pm or are you just guessing here emurlahn? 3) Yet investigating a RI comes up not being involved, and let me guess korlat wa causign problems???


View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 08:01 PM, said:

View PostD'riss, on Dec 10 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Haha reading the double-post heavy is funny. :killingme:

Emur, I get your point, in which case please keep your "involved" find secret.

I found you suspect with your attitude during Gozer's lynch yesterday, and that hasn't changed that much. Why did you reveal so quickly? We were still discussing things, you didn't even have a vote on you.

For someone that claims finder, which is quite of a role, I find this... unnatural. And until now, both Gamelon's and Kaschan's plays which I found unnatural turned out to be scummy.

Hmm.

Still, I believe you're Pecker, even though I'm not convinced you're playing purely for town. In any case, that makes you not killer.

Should we look somewhere else, then, Rashan, or Korlat, for example?

I revealed for 4 reasons.
1) to let people know there's a finder, but with a 'less than crystal clear' result. We have a large crowd of claimed RIs around who all identified each other, but we had no way to thin out the remaining group, aside from elemination by lynch. I now offer a less than perfect alternative.
Sure, I can be NKed, in which case, well, the GB isn't killed.

2) to gauge reactions and see who says what in response to a finder reveal.

3) to counter Mockra's claim he guarded me, when somehow, he didn't. I judged that valuable info, seeing how's an important fixture of the game right now, and has been since his reveal.

4) seeing how I had a non-inno find, that person now knows I'm watching (out for) him, and that may lead to a slightly different playstyle that may provide clues in and off itself. Also, if I reveal who I did finds on, and with which results, I can probably speed up play a bit and have us less stumbling around.

Lastly, I'm not sure what the day-kill means, and whether the killer planned it all along, but it looks to me like he wants to make haste with his killings, seeing how we're catapulted into night when there was heat on Rashan and there was a finder reveal. Right now, I'm having the fingers of one hand crossed that the killer is getting nervous, and the other into a warding sign against impending death :(

Altho, as Peck, I should say that it probably is a lightshow only :p


so you have a non inno find but you dont reveal it yet you hinted on it and thread.

so your reveal is as finder.

you say you got an inno result on a known inno.

4) you say you got a guilty but dont reveal it.


View PostKorlat, on Dec 10 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

Actually cancel my provisional. If Emurlahn is telling the truth we need him alive.

So:

Heal Emurlahn

Even if he thinks I am scum, if he is our finder, we need him around, I just hope I am not making a big mistake. :(

~Winston out.


then we have our fake gb claim. admitted fake as well.


View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 10 2008, 08:36 PM, said:

View PostOmtose, on Dec 10 2008, 09:29 PM, said:

Wondering why the scum did not kill the 'finder' in the day kill? Obviously the only guaranteed kill they will get? Why an unknown like ruse? I find that strange.


He may hope I vpi him. It's not going to take a genius to realize that my find is going to be on either Korlat, D'riss, Tennes or Rashan, as they are the unknowns and the killer is hiding amongst them. It also does not take a real good reader to realize that at least 1 previous find might be on one amongst them, as HP was the first certified RI I targeted. The question is: do I or do I not recognize ghosts, and if I don't, are they recognized as inno's?

Say, for example, that I have a result on the killer as an inno because I'm unable to recognize ghosts, and I reveal that. He would NK me then, for I have served my purpose and given him what he wants to hear.


why would the killer hope you vpi him, you have cleared a roleless inno and said you have a guilty result? well where is it? cause if its korlat he has since admitted to NOT being a ghost buster.

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 07:08 AM, said:

Didn't receive a result for my night action, so I'm quite curious as to what Mockra has to say.
With the Gatekeeper, the big evil overlord and Mockra still alive, it's now high tide for us, guys. If Mockra blocked me yesterday, he may be evil due to that, whatever he did this night, he didn't block the killer, so he is evil.

I'd say that the best course of action, to buy ourselves another day, is to lynch Mockra, seeing how he is likely evil and a supernatural.

Vote Mockra.


i didnt block you, i blocked korlat so your lying when you say you were blocked. So i didnt block the killer and i am evil, thats smart that is, cause theres only a killer left?

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 07:59 AM, said:

I inquired at P-S. My investigation yielded no results. So, either guarded, or my target was a ghost.

Remove vote for now.

I can say straightaway: I investigated Tennes, since I already had a result for Korlat.



And now you infer again, does your pm tell you what result you will get? cause surely if you investigated me, a giant blob of ectoplasm you would hardly go, well theres nothing really there then si there. and here he says he already has a result for korlat, yet hes voting me so its obvious he is tryign to clear you.

1) I claim a finder who doesn't understand whether he is insane or not is dangerous to his own team and should thus not be relied on as one would on a straight finder. The speculation whether or not I am insane is indeed my own and based on the behaviour of everything I could find about Peck.

2) see above

3) see above

4) because he might be a GB, as Peck got them arrested.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:07 PM

View PostMockra, on Dec 11 2008, 01:01 PM, said:

why did you say if i guarded you emurlahn, surely if you got a result i didnt guard you. BULLSHIT :killingme:

korlat - inno ?? you got inno back, yet you claim insane as well.

and driss you get causing disturbance, ha!

I say insane because I fear that either
a) I'm unable to see ghosts
:( I see GB as evil
c) both

I do think I'm able to recognize RIs.
Now, either you believe me or you don't, but let's face it:
I claim a named guy, there's no counterreveal.
You first speculate that you are guarded, now I'm evil...
You go against me the moment that an inno lynch + NK will result in scum victory if you are evil and the Gatekeeper is around, co-incidence? I think not.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:18 PM

You missed my post. Do you really claim you got different results for Korlat and Hood's Path?

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:25 PM

Hmph. I guess he left.

Well, ironically, his own story doesn't hold the road: Korlat revealed Janine, and last time I checked she was involved in the disturbances, being the GB secretary and all.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:40 PM

Kesso? Fener? Rashan? Tennes? someone?

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:55 PM

seems a ittle miscommunication ebtween the killers there :(

see above - what that your still talkign out your arse? Oh i think i am an insane finder, yet i am able to detect the ghostbusters because driss came back evil yet the killers ignore me for a day kill and a night kill as well as my healer partner :killingme:

if anyone buys this rubbish i will be astounded! ASTOUNDED!!!

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

here driss are you causing a disturbance int eh force? are you perchance luke skywalker???

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

View PostD'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

You missed my post. Do you really claim you got different results for Korlat and Hood's Path?

I received differently worded replies, yes, which I worded in my post in the way I received them. Whether those mean the same is anyone's guess, could be different mods sending the results.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:58 PM

View PostMockra, on Dec 11 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

seems a ittle miscommunication ebtween the killers there :(

see above - what that your still talkign out your arse? Oh i think i am an insane finder, yet i am able to detect the ghostbusters because driss came back evil yet the killers ignore me for a day kill and a night kill as well as my healer partner :killingme:

if anyone buys this rubbish i will be astounded! ASTOUNDED!!!

Oh, nice, slander. You sensing victory for you and team scum, I guess :(

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:04 PM

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

View PostD'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

You missed my post. Do you really claim you got different results for Korlat and Hood's Path?

I received differently worded replies, yes, which I worded in my post in the way I received them. Whether those mean the same is anyone's guess, could be different mods sending the results.


One thing that still bugs me:

After I contribute to push the lynch on the gatekeeper (day 2), you somehow decide I'm your number 1 target for scum and you investigate me (night 2)?

And then when you get your guilty-sounding result, all of a sudden I become innocent in your eyes, and instead of attacking me that day, you lay low and waste a find on a confirmed RI to "convince yourself" that you are insane?

Nose... itching...

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:05 PM

... allergies to badly patched fake stories...


... plague of my mafia existence...



AATCCHAAAAAA!

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:10 PM

hehe - oh dont start agreeing with me driss, dont you know i am about to win by lynching a good guy :(

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:11 PM

Well, I'm not lynching anybody yet, but I have to say with Gamelon and Kaschan, I spotted fake-stories pretty well so far in this game.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:15 PM

I'm here and catching up.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:15 PM

As for his find on me, well, after all the RIs revealed in this game, how difficult is it to fake-reveal as finder who gets the same results on killers and roled innos?

I mean, it's like saying I have a role that tells me your time zone, it doesn't take too much brains to take the risk.

But it seems he forgot to adapt his story to the fact that Korlat revealed roled inno. And if Korlat is lying, he's not inno, so even then Emur's story is strange.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:19 PM

i reckon hes on crack, that would explain a lot. pecker looked like a coke nose int he movies, maybe hes trying to get into characters.


...and yes the s is meant to be there :(

@rashan - come join the party :killingme:

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:23 PM

View PostD'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

View PostD'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

You missed my post. Do you really claim you got different results for Korlat and Hood's Path?

I received differently worded replies, yes, which I worded in my post in the way I received them. Whether those mean the same is anyone's guess, could be different mods sending the results.


One thing that still bugs me:

After I contribute to push the lynch on the gatekeeper (day 2), you somehow decide I'm your number 1 target for scum and you investigate me (night 2)?

And then when you get your guilty-sounding result, all of a sudden I become innocent in your eyes, and instead of attacking me that day, you lay low and waste a find on a confirmed RI to "convince yourself" that you are insane?

Nose... itching...

Not nr 1 target for scum. I pushed for Gamelon myself, remember?
You tickled me because you have (had) a very distinct style: nonconformist, direct, aggressive, outspoken in the reasons why you vote for someone. That was why I chose you.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:32 PM

View PostEmurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

Not nr 1 target for scum. I pushed for Gamelon myself, remember?
You tickled me because you have (had) a very distinct style: nonconformist, direct, aggressive, outspoken in the reasons why you vote for someone. That was why I chose you.


Then you'll appreciate this:

vote Emurlahn


I believe you are lying since yesterday.

We're close to a total reveal, so the scum need a lie to stay hidden. Your reveal was unprovoqued, which means you didn't try to defend yourself like you would if you are truly a roled inno. Maybe you had to take a chance with the name you claimed, but the mechanics of the role you claim are too convenient. It allows you to give "inside" information about others, which could be easily guessed when you think about it with the information we have (i.e. most of the RIs have revealed).

Who knows, maybe you didn't have to lie about your name, Peck is after all a villain in the movies.

In any case, too many holes in your story. Korlat should logically be "involved in the disturbances". If I was your target for scum on night 2, I fail to see why you abandoned me on day 3 if you had a CF to support your suspicions. When where you blocked or not. etc.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:37 PM

@ Mockra, I'm happy to join. :(

But man, what a mess! Either Mockra or Emur is lying through their teeth, and I have to agree that it doesn't look good for Emur. Too many inconsistencies, especially with what he said about Korlat. I don't know what to think.

Also, Mockra is still a danger to us, being a slimy bastard and all (see what I did there?).

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:39 PM

View PostRashan, on Dec 11 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

@ Mockra, I'm happy to join. :(

But man, what a mess! Either Mockra or Emur is lying through their teeth, and I have to agree that it doesn't look good for Emur. Too many inconsistencies, especially with what he said about Korlat. I don't know what to think.

Also, Mockra is still a danger to us, being a slimy bastard and all (see what I did there?).


son if i am right and you arent the killer then i sir am now an inno :killingme:

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