[Kessobahn]

Right. After taking in the reactions of Lio's insanity I feel my Ano vote is no longer justified.

Remove vote, Vote Shadow

I was happy to simply watch Shadow while persuing Ano's strange voting, but with that removed I'm going to have to go back here.

I've quoted and commented things I don't like about him quite a bit. Go back and read them if you care.

Now I'm going to bed, won't be on for rather a while I fear.

[Fener]

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

Liosan, on Nov 24 2008, 10:40 PM, said:

Ofc my train gives you information.
What is the justifiable reason you speak of?

Ive pissed people off?
Or maybe because im a mastermind killer, who planned it all in advance.

Everyone knows that itd just buy the killers extra time, as you say.
Therefore, whod want it, scum.
Info.

Thats not how i see it, anyone who votes for you can put fake ninja in the reaosn and for day 1 thats more than justifiable imho. If seven people vote for that reason, where do we look for scum?? i am not trying to get at you mate, it just strikes me as such a strange thing to do that i cant see the reaosn.

@ Sil- It seems like a not very well thought out reason to get info on Ano... that really just ends up giving info to the killers.

[Shadow]

Lets clear some thing up once and for all. IT ISN"T SCUMMY BEHAVIOR to defend someone. It's just not. He was spamming and fake symping everyone. Yet fucking Sil was the first to push. I pushed the fuck back. Thats all. It would be like me calling Rash scum for defending me, even though I have defended him as well. Same situation.

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 10:52 PM, said:

Actually it was page 4

on 3 you spam some more

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Nov 24 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

Ok I just caught up reading all of your wonderful spam... dry.gif

Here is my suspect list so far

Thyrllan, Rashan, Anomandaris, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Gamelon, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Silanah


Obviously not myself as I am the definition of goodness

yay! i am last thumbsup.gif

And then you say Rash is doing all ALL ALL of the things you have been doing. And have been called out on.Spamming, joking, and over reacting. SCUMMY PLAY my friend. Thats what I saw and then...after that post, you push, and push and push for Rash to go ahead and admit he's scum. Got the atention off of you, and onto Rash.

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 10:21 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Nov 24 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

vote Shadow

for spamming. And to get things going until everybody is on.

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 03:08 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Nov 24 2008, 03:05 PM, said:

Uggg Go away Rash you are masturbating on the good rug. Jesus you are worse the a dog, humping everything in sight.

Yes master, will do.
But why are you belaying your previous orders? tongue.gif

Master... I love you. wub.gif

And Ano, Shadow for spamming!? Really?

surely rashan is the worse for spamming? Constant symp WIFOM as well.

vote rashan

You are trying too hard to appear as a hyper active inno, bored and making jokes. You over react to everything, not even votes, just everything, and your gonna post more in the first morning than most people post in an entire game.

Thats how I see it. So thats why your case is a bad one. You accused Rash of doing what you had been doing up until that point.

look at my underlined bit


try quoting the bit before the vote - yet again you ignore my case, you are relentless in your defence of rashan.

vote rashan

cause rashan doesnt defend shadow, and shadow is just making up a bullshit case to pull attnetion away from rashan.

even when making your case you ignore me and point at someothing to suit your case. Constant symp WIFOM. Evertime i make a case on rashan its these two points, but no you say i am voting for his spamming.

maybe i should quote both of us up until that point shadow, cause lets be honest you said fucking nothing of worth until rashan was attacked by me and then you were like his guardian angel.

Actually I spent a good deal of time defending Shadow from Anomanderis. Shadow doesn't need defending atm, either. And I'm not bothering to defend myself because at this point you see one of us as a symp and one of us as a killer, and knowing you as an inno, nothing's going to change your mind until you get a lynch.

i am not that bad

I will leave my vote where it is, but i think we are hogging the thread between the four rash, shadow, ano and myself) of us and its really stupid and we do it every time so its like the usual suspects first few days and which of us survives usually goes on until only the low posters are left and we are sitting in heaven looking like idiots. SO if soemone other than us three make a decent case on a player, i will vote for that case regardless of who its for and ignore shadow and rashan until i get more evidence.

too many players in this game have said bugger all, off the top of my head i could maybe name six or seven players as being active, rashan, shadow, liosan, anomander, that squiggly one in blue has posted, tennes, hmmm oh and kess, cause he posted last. if i look back to a pathshaper post i dont recognise half the nbames.

bed time

[Rashan]

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:07 PM, said:

Lets clear some thing up once and for all. IT ISN"T SCUMMY BEHAVIOR to defend someone. It's just not. He was spamming and fake symping everyone. Yet fucking Sil was the first to push. I pushed the fuck back. Thats all. It would be like me calling Rash scum for defending me, even though I have defended him as well. Same situation.

Of course we have seemed to have tied our fates together here.*sighs* No, defending aint scummy, but I'm assuming you have alt-guessed Sil too, so you know he won't give up no matter what happens at this point.

[Silanah]

Fener, on Nov 24 2008, 11:01 PM, said:

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

Liosan, on Nov 24 2008, 10:40 PM, said:

Ofc my train gives you information.
What is the justifiable reason you speak of?

Ive pissed people off?
Or maybe because im a mastermind killer, who planned it all in advance.

Everyone knows that itd just buy the killers extra time, as you say.
Therefore, whod want it, scum.
Info.

Thats not how i see it, anyone who votes for you can put fake ninja in the reaosn and for day 1 thats more than justifiable imho. If seven people vote for that reason, where do we look for scum?? i am not trying to get at you mate, it just strikes me as such a strange thing to do that i cant see the reaosn.

@ Sil- It seems like a not very well thought out reason to get info on Ano... that really just ends up giving info to the killers.

exactly, what was it meant to achieve? To out a player??

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 11:08 PM, said:

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 10:52 PM, said:

Actually it was page 4

on 3 you spam some more

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 09:59 AM, said:

Kaschan, on Nov 24 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

Ok I just caught up reading all of your wonderful spam... dry.gif

Here is my suspect list so far

Thyrllan, Rashan, Anomandaris, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Gamelon, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Silanah


Obviously not myself as I am the definition of goodness

yay! i am last thumbsup.gif

And then you say Rash is doing all ALL ALL of the things you have been doing. And have been called out on.Spamming, joking, and over reacting. SCUMMY PLAY my friend. Thats what I saw and then...after that post, you push, and push and push for Rash to go ahead and admit he's scum. Got the atention off of you, and onto Rash.

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 10:21 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Nov 24 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

vote Shadow

for spamming. And to get things going until everybody is on.

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 03:08 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Nov 24 2008, 03:05 PM, said:

Uggg Go away Rash you are masturbating on the good rug. Jesus you are worse the a dog, humping everything in sight.

Yes master, will do.
But why are you belaying your previous orders? tongue.gif

Master... I love you. wub.gif

And Ano, Shadow for spamming!? Really?

surely rashan is the worse for spamming? Constant symp WIFOM as well.

vote rashan

You are trying too hard to appear as a hyper active inno, bored and making jokes. You over react to everything, not even votes, just everything, and your gonna post more in the first morning than most people post in an entire game.

Thats how I see it. So thats why your case is a bad one. You accused Rash of doing what you had been doing up until that point.

look at my underlined bit


try quoting the bit before the vote - yet again you ignore my case, you are relentless in your defence of rashan.

vote rashan

cause rashan doesnt defend shadow, and shadow is just making up a bullshit case to pull attnetion away from rashan.

even when making your case you ignore me and point at someothing to suit your case. Constant symp WIFOM. Evertime i make a case on rashan its these two points, but no you say i am voting for his spamming.

maybe i should quote both of us up until that point shadow, cause lets be honest you said fucking nothing of worth until rashan was attacked by me and then you were like his guardian angel.

Actually I spent a good deal of time defending Shadow from Anomanderis. Shadow doesn't need defending atm, either. And I'm not bothering to defend myself because at this point you see one of us as a symp and one of us as a killer, and knowing you as an inno, nothing's going to change your mind until you get a lynch.

i am not that bad

I will leave my vote where it is, but i think we are hogging the thread between the four rash, shadow, ano and myself) of us and its really stupid and we do it every time so its like the usual suspects first few days and which of us survives usually goes on until only the low posters are left and we are sitting in heaven looking like idiots. SO if soemone other than us three make a decent case on a player, i will vote for that case regardless of who its for and ignore shadow and rashan until i get more evidence.

too many players in this game have said bugger all, off the top of my head i could maybe name six or seven players as being active, rashan, shadow, liosan, anomander, that squiggly one in blue has posted, tennes, hmmm oh and kess, cause he posted last. if i look back to a pathshaper post i dont recognise half the nbames.

bed time

I agree with you there alright. It looks like we need to let the inactive players take the reins.

[Shadow]

Fuck it. Lets do this.
Remove Vote Vote Kessobahn

For not even glancing at my Sil case, except for at the beginning dismissing it. That was before my full quote, long ass case, and you never commented, you just pulled iup other bullshit that I have already answered.

[Silanah]

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:07 PM, said:

Lets clear some thing up once and for all. IT ISN"T SCUMMY BEHAVIOR to defend someone. It's just not. He was spamming and fake symping everyone. Yet fucking Sil was the first to push. I pushed the fuck back. Thats all. It would be like me calling Rash scum for defending me, even though I have defended him as well. Same situation.

well pushing is what i do, and i aint gonna push till i find some reason too either. That you pushed back is irrelevant and so i never quoted that as a reason, that you continually do it, despite how it looks is making me more suspicious than less because your reaosning seems purposefully flawed and you continually ignore my points and repeat the same stuff back at me. The game had onyl been alive a few pages, all of us posting where posting shit, and thats your case on me. Rashan kept calling himself a symp and dumped WIFOM, now i know rash knows who i am, and you do to, so you look back at my last game i said then and i repeated it now, the first person to use WIFOM i was going after cause it stinks this attitude we have that because someone says they are somehting they cant be it. It drives me up the wall, and fuck it, i am making a bloody stand against it.

No it aint scummy, but you arent just defending him, your doing it obsessively!!! Its almost fucking comical how much you are doing it.

[Shadow]

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

Of course we have seemed to have tied our fates together here.*sighs* No, defending aint scummy, but I'm assuming you have alt-guessed Sil too, so you know he won't give up no matter what happens at this point.

I alt guessed sil in 5 minutes. and we do always bash heads, the fucker usally gets me lynched and then I am like FUCK!! he was the symp!!!! or whatever. so I switched tactics, if he's a killer who is protecting him, Kess. So lets lynch Kess and move on.

[Silanah]

ahh i am going to bed, back that vote up with a case and we may actually find something to agree about, shadow.

see you in ten.

[Silanah]

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

Of course we have seemed to have tied our fates together here.*sighs* No, defending aint scummy, but I'm assuming you have alt-guessed Sil too, so you know he won't give up no matter what happens at this point.

I alt guessed sil in 5 minutes. and we do always bash heads, the fucker usally gets me lynched and then I am like FUCK!! he was the symp!!!! or whatever. so I switched tactics, if he's a killer who is protecting him, Kess. So lets lynch Kess and move on.

silanah vs shadow


winner : - nobody


exactly.....

[Fener]

Rashan, on Nov 24 2008, 03:11 PM, said:

I agree with you there alright. It looks like we need to let the inactive players take the reins.

I wouldn't say let them take the reins... but many times it does seem to be the usual suspects duking it out, maybe if you went after some of the low posters rather than having pissing contests with each other we won't end up guessing about which of the 4 non posters on day 4 is a killer.

Having said that, there is probably scum in the group of 4 previously mentioned... (Rashan, shadow, sil, Kess). but I say we let them hang themselves, we will have a much bigger body to draw from later (though that will be admittedly painful to go through all those posts *looks at Rashan*) As I said before maybe applying pressure, even if unwarranted, will force some of these non posters to become active.

P.S. I know I have a very low post count, but I try to contribute with every one. I am not one to just type so that I can watch my post numbers go up.

[Shadow]

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 06:14 PM, said:

1. The game had onyl been alive a few pages, all of us posting where posting shit, and thats your case on me. Rashan kept calling himself a symp and dumped WIFOM

2 now i know rash knows who i am, and you do to, so you look back at my last game i said then and i repeated it now, the first person to use WIFOM i was going after cause it stinks this attitude we have that because someone says they are somehting they cant be it. It drives me up the wall, and fuck it, i am making a bloody stand against it.

3.No it aint scummy, but you arent just defending him, your doing it obsessively!!! Its almost fucking comical how much you are doing it.

1. this should explain why I am defending him. read both sentences. ALL OF US WERE POSTING SHIT and then Rash calls himself symp and dumped Wifom, but ALL OF US WHERE POTING SHIT!!!! See, you were he was, but he did it the wrong way! Makes no sense, its flawed. So instead of saying good case I scream SCUM!!!! I know you get this.

2. And because its Wifom you can't see that it was just POSING SHIT, and inno or not he must die! Thats whats fucked up and another rason I can't believe you arent scum. Let it go!

3. I am defending him, because he is playing just like me. xactly. you wat me to say i out loud? Fine. Day one make yourself lynchable so the killers leave you the fuck alone. Survive. Day 2 pick apart everyone in sight and stay lynchable and the killers leave you the fuck alone. Day 3 find a fucking killer and kill him. You do this, I know you get it. Its how roleless innos play, if we get nked for talking too much, good! it saves a fucking roled inno!

Son of a bitch, back in a minute my head fucking hurts.

[Shadow]

Silanah, on Nov 24 2008, 06:17 PM, said:

silanah vs shadow


winner : - nobody


exactly.....

You always win my friend, I talk more than you!lol

[Rashan]

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:22 PM, said:

3. I am defending him, because he is playing just like me. xactly. you wat me to say i out loud? Fine. Day one make yourself lynchable so the killers leave you the fuck alone. Survive. Day 2 pick apart everyone in sight and stay lynchable and the killers leave you the fuck alone. Day 3 find a fucking killer and kill him. You do this, I know you get it. Its how roleless innos play, if we get nked for talking too much, good! it saves a fucking roled inno!

Can't deny it, Silanah, he's right. Day One you cause as much confusion and grab as much of the spotlight as possible so the killers don't go for you and think you can be used as a shield for attention. It's why Lace was left alive till the end of 32, because he was so antagonistic at the start.
Then you have more time to start to make a case. If experienced players make themselves survive, its for the best, otherwise there's just going to be a field full of weaker woolly players at the end for the killers to take out at their leisure. I draw your attention to Mafia 32 again, where JA casually manipulated all the noobs into a killer victory.

[Korlat]

It's all well and good saying that the quiet players should post more. Does it ever happen? No. Why? Because they (including myself), are quiet players.
We sit back, we watch, we occasionally post things, perhaps participate in a train...and because we are quiet we get shit. It turned around a while ago, and the loud players always kill each other off - leaving a bunch of quiet players.
I'm content to post more...it's just that the loud players have already made all the cases - Rashan, Shadow, Liosan....who else can we lynch today? Kessobahn?

Which is why the quiet players are quiet, and just follow along like sheeple.

/end

[Shadow]

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.

[Rashan]

Shadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:33 PM, said:

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.

Lols I actually brought that up when Liosan first did it, but no one noticed.

[Shadow]

Korlat, on Nov 24 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

It's all well and good saying that the quiet players should post more. Does it ever happen? No. Why? Because they (including myself), are quiet players.
We sit back, we watch, we occasionally post things, perhaps participate in a train...and because we are quiet we get shit. It turned around a while ago, and the loud players always kill each other off - leaving a bunch of quiet players.
I'm content to post more...it's just that the loud players have already made all the cases - Rashan, Shadow, Liosan....who else can we lynch today? Kessobahn?

Which is why the quiet players are quiet, and just follow along like sheeple.

/end

But this is whats wrong with our games, if you are inno, you don't have to lay low and try to survive to the end. Sure you may get lynched or NKed, and won't get to play anymore, but if you talk you do 2 things. (I am speaking as roleless here)

1. You attract NK attention away from the roled
2. You don't give the killers anywhere to hide

If everyone talks alot (even if it is meaningless or repetitive) the killers will have to talk alot to blend in, then they have a better chance of slipping up!