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malazan mafia 34,5 mini but I don't want to be king

#501 User is offline   Shadow 

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:37 PM

View PostRashan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on Nov 24 2008, 11:33 PM, said:

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.

Lols I actually brought that up when Liosan first did it, but no one noticed.


where. Quote please.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:40 PM

View PostRashan, on Nov 24 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

I'm thinking we might need to do something about this.

There's always the possibility he did this to draw away attention from Ano, though.


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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:41 PM

View PostRashan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

View PostRashan, on Nov 24 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

I'm thinking we might need to do something about this.

There's always the possibility he did this to draw away attention from Ano, though.




Nope missed it.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:42 PM

Well, ok, so I didn't state it in as blunt a terms as you, but it was what i was getting at :rant:

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:46 PM

sigh. Lonely alt is lonely. Oh well. checking back in every 15 minutes or so.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:53 PM

View PostShadow, on Nov 24 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.



If Liosan is alive in 2-3 days I completely agree. Regardless, he has made it impossible for himself to survive to end game, if he is roleless, i guess thats fine...if he is roled....really stupid move.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 11:59 PM

View PostFener, on Nov 24 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on Nov 24 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.



If Liosan is alive in 2-3 days I completely agree. Regardless, he has made it impossible for himself to survive to end game, if he is roleless, i guess thats fine...if he is roled....really stupid move.


I can accept this. Mind explaining again who your top suspects,and why your voting Thyr, and not any of the other low posters, like Game or Tennes.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:01 AM

I believe Fener is voting Kaschan, or as our friend put it above, the guy with the squiggly blue lines, ain't he? :rant:

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:04 AM

My bad. Still an explanation would be good.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:42 AM

Oh well, nothing doing. I'll check back in a couple of hours.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:52 AM

your mod is off to bed. Pray someone else shows later :rant:
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:26 AM

View PostShadow, on Nov 24 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

View PostFener, on Nov 24 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

View PostShadow, on Nov 24 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Quick case. if Liosan is a killer or symp, he just saved Ano's ass. several people, myself included have said Ano is PI with Liosan as a VPI. case in point. An inno, would be in trouble for fake claiming Ninja (Khell did it alot) but a killer (or symp) wouldn't be so much because they are sowing confusion and might very well CI a partner or master. Just something I thought of as I calmed down.



If Liosan is alive in 2-3 days I completely agree. Regardless, he has made it impossible for himself to survive to end game, if he is roleless, i guess thats fine...if he is roled....really stupid move.


I can accept this. Mind explaining again who your top suspects,and why your voting Thyr, and not any of the other low posters, like Game or Tennes.


I am actually voting Squiggly blue line guy. Mostly for low posting, all joke posts, and general laying lowness. Just trying to put pressure on the low post/non content people. But, like I said in a previous post general board consensus is to let these low postin players lay low till later in the week and then basically have to guess on who to vote off. Do a post search on me for more details, I only have a few :rant: Seems everyone wants to vote off the vocal players once again. Honestly, whatever. Of the vocal players, I am leaning towards Kess or you.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:30 AM

Anyway, out for about 3,4 hours and will check back in.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:46 AM

@Shadow, you are, first of all, assuming that just because people are forced to talk, they will slip up. You are also assuming that everyone feels the need to fit in - this is not the case, or else everyone would be quiet, or loud.
Further, you are also assuming that the killers will always go for loud players, that roled players will either play loud or play quiet, that the loud players do not harbor a killer, and are relying on the fact that everyone plays loud.

Some people have a compulsive need to stay quiet - they fear being lynched. Not necessarily because they are killers, but rather because of the fact that getting killed really isn't that fun.

All I see from you in regards to this issue, is huge assumptions on killer behavior, and the belief that everyone should play the same game as you. You even said that people should talk no matter if it is meaningless and repetitive - something people have been lynched for in the past! Repetitive conversations get us nowhere. Neither does people not talking, but that's kind of irrelevant as long as people eventually vote, yes?

Anyway, I'll be around for a while yet. I don't have anything much against you, Shadow, except for you misguided assumptions, and constant attempts to make people play loudly, but it is kind of annoying. ^^

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:50 AM

When people talk, they eventually slip up. Its a fairly reliable method. Bettered only by booze and Truth Serum. We put people under pressure to make them talk, after all. :rant:
I don't see where we get with this talk of playing styles, though. Mentioning them once or twice, fair enough, not discussing them. You just get bogged down.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:09 AM

Right, so I've been going through my fellow low posters to see if I can root out anything interesting, in part because the cases for the major players (ie. Rashan, Shadow, Anomandaris, Silannah & Liosan) have been made already and in part because I'm too lazy to wade through all their posts right now. So here goes:

Thyrllan - hasn't posted anything of substance yet, probably due to being online during the spam portion and consequently not having anything of substance to say. No alarm bells there just yet, I'll wait and see if he says something more interesting tomorrow before I jump to the conclusion he's scum trying to hide behind a low post count.

Gamelon - apart from his joke vote on D'riss to begin with (and that was tenuous, even for a joke vote), all he's really done is vote on Thyrllan, apparently because of low post count & not having voted. I'd have liked to have seen him discuss some of the others a bit more before singling someone out like that - there were, after all, several other people with low post counts who hadn't voted at the time.

Korlat - arrived late, but has since made a point that it is his (or given the alt, her?) style to be a quiet poster. This caught my eye - I can excuse Thyrllan because it seems like he hasn't had a chance to post yet, but actually saying "I don't post very often" implies a stylistic choice, which could indicate scum. I also noted that Korlat picked up on a Shadow post regarding how scum play in the same way that Kessobahn did. Just making an early connection between the two, may be useful later.

Kessobahn - apart from the possible link with Korlat (note that Kessobahn made the point first, so Korlat was possibly copying), what I notice is that he seemed to be defending Silannah a fair bit. First of all he acted vaguely annoyed when Shadow voted for Silannah promising a case to follow (#291), and then later:

Kessobahn said:

Shadow said:

Again for when you get here -

I said Sil was at the top of my list, next post is the case, if I wanted to re-direct attention I would have voted for Rashan, for symping me. I didn't because I think Sil is scummy. I am answering you as you go, because I don't want to miss a point and be accused of ignoring anything.


Your case is basically that he took the first thing he coud and ran with it. It is true to an extent, but I think you make more of it that it was. You accused him of wanting a quicklynch. I never got that impression from him.

His sudden change of tact means I have my eye on him, but he hasn't done anything particularly scummy so far as I can see.


Which is further defence of Sil. Now I know not all defence is symping, I just got a vibe from this one. IGMEOY, either as a possible Master to Korlat or as a Symp to Silannah.

Kaschan - I made an observation about Kaschan earlier regarding his willingness to switch stances on Rashan's joking around so quickly (see #382). All he's done apart from some early spam jokes is say he has a funny feeling about myself and D'riss. Fair enough, although obviously I don't agree :rant:. I still find him suspicious based on my earlier point though.

Fener - Fener has been active since the Fake Ninja and has talked a fair amount of sense without actually making any concrete accusations/attacks. He also seems to agree with me in being suspicious about Kaschan, although his rationale seems a little hypocritical to me. Gut feeling, fair enough, but backing it up with low post count when he hasn't exactly said much himself? Yeah, not the strongest of points.

D'riss - I thought his vote for Liosan was a bit premature, to be honest. Hasn't done too much apart from that, although I was struck by his latest post:

D'riss said:

Right then
with the Liosan thing out of the way (and I know how you feel,. Silanah. and the fact that he's probably a fellow inno's pissing me off as well). I'm inclined to trust Ano
which brings us back to Shadow with Rash as symp

or could be one of the quieter players (Kaschan, Thyrlan, Fener, or Korlat)

really don't know
bottom line, tons of time left.
I've got the night shift today (lousyy mondays), so i'm gone for the next 5-6 hours.

later, y'all.

EDIT: cross-post with Rashan
forgot Gamelon as one of the quieter players. and Tennes, for that matter.


He seems to have completely ignored Silannah on his list of suspects for some reason, as well as Kessobahn. I can kind of understand Kessobahn, as he hasn't posted all that much, but to leave out one of the top posters in his analysis? That seems a little suspicious.


So there's my rundown of the low posters (myself excluded, obviously, someone else can do that one ;)). I'll post my thoughts on the Fake Ninja in a bit.


EDIT: Cross post with Korlat and Rashan.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 25 November 2008 - 02:09 AM


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:57 AM

ok, in my defence, it was a rushed post, I was on my way out. I forgot Gamelon and you, too :rant:

I did not think much Of Silanah at first, probably because I alt-guessed him momentarily

Kessobahn is more interesting--he strikes me to be similar to Ano--he takes his time to think and makes arguments I can actually agree with. Since this ties in with my ideas of role distribution, which we do not talk about, I'll drop the subject.

I am almost certain there's a connection between Rashan and Shadow--but, alas I can't be sure if it's just meta-induced, or is it a genuine in-game connection along the lines of paired killers or killer-symp

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:05 AM

4 people on, come out and play!

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:17 AM

ok, I have to get to bed. We have about 17 hours left by my count, so all I can ask is that you don't lynch me in my sleep. I can't defend myself. Its just bad manners really. So, if you don't mind, if I am the one to go, give me the respect enough to hold off so I can rail and whine til day ends. I have 3 votes on me now, so I am at L-4. Not too bad really, but Fener and maybe Korlat (possibly 1 other) have said they would be willing to vote me, that would bring me to L-2 or 1 and thats a little uncomfortable for my tastes. All I really want, is for everyone to understand that my defense of Rash was based solely on the bad case Sil presented. If you'll notice Rash only has 1 (maybe 2) votes, so apparently I was making some sense. I guess thats what the case is against me. Defending Rash, not real sure about the rest. But I have to go. See you all in about 9 or 10 hours.

Good job by Tennes.

@ Korlat - I see your point, sort of, but the only way I know to look for scum is to look a what they say. If they don't talk, there isn't anything to look for, is there?

@ Rash - Not sure what you meant by talking aout playing styles. I think you meant that talking about how killers would act is bad. But its reall what I would do in a kilers place. Works well. I've been a killer alot, and won most of them. I just wanted to let them know, that that tye of play would not work, as long as I was around. Again not real certain if thats what you were saying, but there it is. Night guys.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:20 AM

you know what, screw it, I'll hang on for another 15 or 20 minutes since there are people on. I can sleep when I'm dead, lol.

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