[Liosan]

Telas, on Nov 20 2008, 11:22 PM, said:

Liosan, on Nov 20 2008, 10:03 PM, said:

All right.. I'll try to make my thoughts as opaque as possible here.

Mockra was by all accounts depossessed if Ruse did as he said he would. But i've been thinking, I do not think Ruse is immune to possession. Only quin should be that, and perhaps Laton but I'm thinking Fener was laton and suicied or something.. Yeah that last one is pretty way out there, but I am just working on a hunch.

Anyways, what I'm saying is that anyone of us could be possessed. Well, except for Shadow, and I. Possession attempts on lovers kill the target. Recruitment attempts fail.

Galain is not possessed, as can be seen through his night/morning post. HE could still be recruited I guess, but at least one out of two are rule out.

Telas, no I don't think there's anything to say there. I doubt he's possessed because he's damn hard to emulate, as seen in just the little he's done so far. Recruitment is possible but I doubt he'd be the best target.

Emurlahn, I still think he's the remaining head cult. The one who probably killed Korvalain for being able to kill cultists.

Galayn Lord. I still don't know exactly, but I don't think he's innocent.

Ruse.. Ruse is the problem. I think Ruse has either been possessed or recruited just because that's what I would do. He's just a player we would not lynch willingly. Of all the players here, Ruse was the only CI they could safely target. Shadow and I were not good choices for obvious reasons.

Underlining is mine.

WTF? I thought people were discussing whether you and Shadow could talk if one was recruited, the tow of you included in that. Now you tell us that recruitment attempts would just fail outright. Why didn't you say so before? Or did you and I missed it?

I never thought about asking PS about it before

[Shadow]

@Telas: I'm sure you've checked with P-S now, just like I did, but I received the exact same message from P-S as my hubby gave you. Must say, it was a pleasant surprise.

[Mockra]

Ok, ive regainecd my body.
I was possessed, and thanks to whoever got it back for me, reading up.

[Mockra]

Ruse, thanks, you're awesome.
This leaves us what then?

Emur/GL?

[Liosan]

Mockra, on Nov 21 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

Ok, ive regainecd my body.
I was possessed, and thanks to whoever got it back for me, reading up.

I am so brilliant I disgust myself

[Mockra]

Lol, I was shouting at the computer at the obviousness of it. Easy for me to say, I suppose.
But:

"Im gonna go crawl back onto the sofa"?

Come on. Irritating thing is, I was feeling like shite.

[Shadow]

Liosan, on Nov 20 2008, 05:09 PM, said:

Mockra, on Nov 21 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

Ok, ive regainecd my body.
I was possessed, and thanks to whoever got it back for me, reading up.

I am so brilliant I disgust myself

Finally. I'm long past that station, darling, long past.

[Mockra]

So, I thought shadow was CI.
Why the whole cult thing a few pages back.
You're making me paranoid.
Someone explain cause im tired and, umm, lazy.

[Telas]

I recall earlier that one of you said you had asked PS and he told you that were one of you to be recruited you would not longer be able to speak of thread. I may just be imagining that, but I think one of you, probably Shdaow, said that. I'm not going to go back and look through the thread looking for it, I have enough of a headache as it is, but that was why I was so confused when he suddenly came out with a "Recruitment attempts on us fail."

In the end it doesn't make any real difference (otherwise I would go search for that quote, headache or not) but it was unexpected and worth the comment.

[Mockra]

Also, anyone know how long we have left?

[Telas]

My problem with Mockra's "return" is that he may well be a possessed who was targeted last night. We have no way of knowing, I say he should still be high on the lynch list.

[Liosan]

Telas, on Nov 21 2008, 12:26 AM, said:

I recall earlier that one of you said you had asked PS and he told you that were one of you to be recruited you would not longer be able to speak of thread. I may just be imagining that, but I think one of you, probably Shdaow, said that. I'm not going to go back and look through the thread looking for it, I have enough of a headache as it is, but that was why I was so confused when he suddenly came out with a "Recruitment attempts on us fail."

In the end it doesn't make any real difference (otherwise I would go search for that quote, headache or not) but it was unexpected and worth the comment.

Aye, that is quite odd. come to think of it. PErhaps just a mod mix up

[Path-Shaper]

32.5 hours left

still 2 votes on Emur (Galayn Lord, Hood's Path)

nothing from the other 7

if there was a mix-up-- wait for DiBs to get on to adress it

[Shadow]

But to now post something with content:
Liosan's model.

Quote

All right.. I'll try to make my thoughts as opaque as possible here.

Mockra was by all accounts depossessed if Ruse did as he said he would. But i've been thinking, I do not think Ruse is immune to possession. Only quin should be that, and perhaps Laton but I'm thinking Fener was laton and suicied or something.. Yeah that last one is pretty way out there, but I am just working on a hunch.

Anyways, what I'm saying is that anyone of us could be possessed. Well, except for Shadow, and I. Possession attempts on lovers kill the target. Recruitment attempts fail.

Galain is not possessed, as can be seen through his night/morning post. HE could still be recruited I guess, but at least one out of two are rule out.

Telas, no I don't think there's anything to say there. I doubt he's possessed because he's damn hard to emulate, as seen in just the little he's done so far. Recruitment is possible but I doubt he'd be the best target.

Emurlahn, I still think he's the remaining head cult. The one who probably killed Korvalain for being able to kill cultists.

Galayn Lord. I still don't know exactly, but I don't think he's innocent.

Ruse.. Ruse is the problem. I think Ruse has either been possessed or recruited just because that's what I would do. He's just a player we would not lynch willingly. Of all the players here, Ruse was the only CI they could safely target. Shadow and I were not good choices for obvious reasons.

I agree with the assessment. No surprise there.
The problem now is threefold, imho.
Emur does reek like scum. But is he the 'sole remaining cult leader?' or is there another one? He seems the likely lynch, and I can agree with that. That is not a problem.

First and foremost: Ruse. As Liosan says, he is vulnerable because he allows the possessors a grip on the game. Korv's death to me seems a sign that there is at least 1 still alive AND hunting for those who can stop the invasion of the dead. GL seems a major candidate. Now, what to do with him... I'd say we let him live, as I think it is not in the cults best interest to remove his ability unless they're bound to gain a majority, and I think they can exclude him, albeit risky. It will depend on their current numbers, I think.

Secondly: Mockra was possessed and is now clean. Afaik, that says nothing about his alignment apart from it not being 'possessed'. And if he was somehow a cult recruiter, we could just have given the cult another weapon. How are we going to test this? Can we let him walk around?

Thirdly: Galayn Lord. Possessed? Cult? Original cultist? Town? It's all up in the air. I don't believe he is roleless: Most of us who got so far have revealed one role or power or another. RI-claim for me means cult or possessed this game... But if so, what are we going to do against it?

Lastly: Galain, did you know about the lover's immunity for recruit/ possession?

[Liosan]

ah well, I'm off to bed.

[Shadow]

Telas, on Nov 20 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

I recall earlier that one of you said you had asked PS and he told you that were one of you to be recruited you would not longer be able to speak of thread. I may just be imagining that, but I think one of you, probably Shdaow, said that. I'm not going to go back and look through the thread looking for it, I have enough of a headache as it is, but that was why I was so confused when he suddenly came out with a "Recruitment attempts on us fail."

In the end it doesn't make any real difference (otherwise I would go search for that quote, headache or not) but it was unexpected and worth the comment.

Aye, it was. I assumed when possessed/recruited, the link would be severed (because being a lover is an ability, and abilities are lost/suppressed) and that would be our tell that something was wrong. Actually, if you look back around the time of Liosans reveal, Galain, who was lover-partnered with Thyrllan, questions me why the fuck we both reveal since we're the perfect trap to out cult or possessor when played smart. Since he wouldn't have talked like that if he knew what we know now, I think he also didn't know.
So, this lack of knowledge was widespread, also amongst other lovers.

As such, imagine my surprise when Liosan came up with this beauty. P-S confirmed, crystal-clear, in a pm I sent him that lovers do indeed what Liosan says they do: possession attempts kill the target, recruitment automatically fails. In hindsight, it made Liosan's reveal unnecessary since we were safe from what we feared most with the Ivets gone, knowing what we know now, but such is the game.

EDIT: bedtime for me, too.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 20 November 2008 - 10:54 PM

[Path-Shaper]

32 hours left
still 9 of you left
2 votes on Emur (GL, HP)

7 haven't voted (Loisan, Mockra, Ruse, Telas, Shadow, Emur, Galain)

5 to lynch or go to night

mod has to go grab supper and do some stuff afterwards
you'll be modless for a while
play nice, now....

[Hood's Path]

Bah, I get back and all are off. My Thoughts:

I think Ruse has to be the possesion target. He is the only way to get rid of possesed people. If I was up there I would definately take him over even though it is obvious, to sacrafice 1 possesed for the town's sole depossesor seems a worthwhile trade. Also, the fact that he hasn't checked in today reeks of a takeover. Perhaps the one voted into his body isn't on yet.

On Mockra: I agree that he is only depossesed. He can definately be cult still and so still have him high on the scum-o-meter. I really hope he isn't the Cult leader and just got let loose again.....what if Omtose was original, and Mockra was his back up.... that would mean we really only have 2 cult(emur/mockra) and 1 possessed (Ruse) out there. This could be the reason why we have seen no cult deaths since Omtose. This kind of makes me want to vote Mockra.

Gay Lord: I am like 99% sure he isn't possesed..unless it happened very early. Cult is possible though.

I really hope Omtose was one of the recruiters. We are going to have a hard time winning If we take out the lead and another is in waiting.... There can only be 3 possiblle cult leaders left. Emur, Gay lord and Mockra.

I think we just need to proceed with taking out those 3 and worrying about the possesed at the end. The cult only needs a majority. Possesed need to take out everyone.

[Mockra]

Ok, reveal:

I am the edenist finder.
This isnt as useful as you may think, because I only get a laton or not laton result.
I can also send one pm a day, and one pm a night, to Ione, though I aint in a while, and my pms have been wiped. The only one I remember was of a sofa, and the rest have all been my investigations. If you go back a bit, theres 2 or 3 posts of sofa, where I was trying to reveal my identity to Ione.
I believe im the red light, but im not so sure, scene wise. I forgot to submit night one, iirc, but my pms were wiped when I was possessed, and I cant remember if I was told I hadnt submitted, and did, or if I was told, and didnt get on in time for night. I have a distinct memory of a pm telling me, rather grumpily, that night timed out because of me.
My results, some of them known already:

Serc is not laton.
Shadow is not laton.
Galain is not laton.
Emurlahn is not laton.

Edit: g2g.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 20 November 2008 - 11:15 PM

[Liosan]

yeah.. sleep i such a beautiful think eh? Anyways, Mockra's reveal sounds not too bad, but i reserve judgment here. If he is speaking the truth, my little theory that Fener was Laton and blew up because of possession makes a little more sense.