[Emurlahn]

Damn we seem to be dropping scum left right and centre in this game what is that now 3 Ivets 1 Cult and 2 possessed gone

[Galayn Lord]

See? Possessed.


I'm headed to bed for hopefully a few more hours of sleep (got woken up in the middle of the night, decided to check up), but before that, I'm going back to the well, since there's nothing new to work with, and we never finished this before things got explody:


Vote Ruse

[Korvalain]

Well another possessed down, thats definite good news. Especially after the last one went boom.

So today its pretty obvious its cult hunting. We got 36 hours so plenty of time for it but really, I'm not sure where to start.

There's a few people who have had a pretty clean game so far and not sure what to make of them. Emurlahn, Telas, Mockra I don't think have had anything put against them, not sure why that is, Emurlahn has been quite under the radar as well.

There's also Ruse who hasn't really had the case on him go away, so might be my full back to person if nothing else turns up.

So outside Ruse, do we have a obvious or not obvious cult candidate, as to be honest no one else springs to mind at the moment. I think a little discussion here could be productive.

[Liosan]

I always find it interesting when one player has been a strong lynch candidate every day almost, yet never actually been lyched.

[Korvalain]

Liosan, on Nov 19 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

I always find it interesting when one player has been a strong lynch candidate every day almost, yet never actually been lyched.

It is rather interesting isn't it, I'm still not sure what to make of Ruse. We have had two strong lynch candidates (Meanas and Ruse) for a little while now so kinda getting a split in our voting as Meanas was certainly a good lynch, and for good reason.

Since you haven't been able to post there for a while Liosan, who do you suspect?

[Liosan]

Korvalain, on Nov 19 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

Liosan, on Nov 19 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

I always find it interesting when one player has been a strong lynch candidate every day almost, yet never actually been lyched.

It is rather interesting isn't it, I'm still not sure what to make of Ruse. We have had two strong lynch candidates (Meanas and Ruse) for a little while now so kinda getting a split in our voting as Meanas was certainly a good lynch, and for good reason.

Since you haven't been able to post there for a while Liosan, who do you suspect?

I remain suspicious of you, for one

I also think Emurlahn fits the bill of an original cultist considering how low key his playing has been since the beginning. Then there's also ruse.

Personally I think we should lynch Ruse today mainly because there's no several trains to his name and they should tell us quite a bit.

So aye, ruse

[Korvalain]

I'm going to go to bed now, and have a think about it, plenty of time up our sleeves. With 6 to lynch I think 2 is pressure enough at this point.

[Ruse]

God, what a day. I am now officially finished with varsity

Anyway, it seems like I'm still prime suspect. I am now going to reveal I refused to do this earlier, because I would rather have died without the scum finding out my role than reveal and get lynched anyway. However, information from last night has made me change my mind. The other reason I am doing this is because this may be the do or die vote. Even if noone believes what I say now and I get lynched (assuming the game doesnt end) hopefully the information I put forward now will make a difference. It's not much, but I can clear one person from being original cult and back up another person's defence.

I have depossession abilities. The interesting thing is the I dont have a zero-tau machine and didnt start the game with these abilities either, having originally been a finder. These are the two main reasons I am revealing. Even if you dont believe me (and I get lynched), there is still a depossessor in play (let's hope it wasnt some once off ability)

So I started the game as a finder. I decided to put finds in on people who didnt really stand out, since all the obvious suspects (meanas, rashan etc) all had a lot of pressure on them and I figured we'd know their alignment soon enough. Seems this was pretty lucky, since rashan killed Tenne's dog when it did a find.

Night one I investigated Liosan. He came back as a good guy. I was hoping shadow's partner would be someone on my cult-list, but at least now I know both of them are telling the truth and are most likely still innocent. Unless some other crazy thing has happened since then.

Night two I investigated Telas. He also came back innocent. This is one of the reasons I was so patient with the case against me in the beginning - I was 90% sure he was still innocent and didnt want to start a flame war that would definitely get one, maybe two innos lynched.

Night three I got a pm explaining that my role had changed to that of depossessor. If you look at my posts at that time, I suddenly start making a big noise about possessed and state that 'I'm assuming from now on possessed are in play'. Since my role obviously wouldnt change unless there were possessed in the game, I was trying to let everyone know what was going on. That night I exorcised Emur, because he seemed like he was in a rush to lynch Rashan. He wasnt possessed.

Night four I exorcised Fener, since there were a couple of comments regarding his change in post style. He was not possessed either. The interesting thing was the next day he CF'd possessed. Since my action cant block incoming possessions ( I made sure of this with PS), he could only have been possessed the same night I tried to exorcise him. Hence my 'crazy theory' putting forward that he might have been newly possessed. I'm still not sure if it was my action that caused him to explode later - I hope not.

Last night I exorcised Tennes. It was a toss up between him and Liosan, since both had been really quiet. After Liosan posted that he had just been the subject of a depossession, I send my NA in for Tennes. Not that it mattered, since someone vigged him. Unless that was me, but DiBs hinted the original alts would return to their bodies if an exorcism was successful (oh yes, I also made sure that everyone knew about that once I found out).

I also hope this clears up a lot of my desire to discuss roles. I spent a lot of time talking to PS about how exactly the mechanics of the game worked. I didnt get as much information from him as I would have liked, but what little I did get I tried to share without seeming to know too much about what was going on.

Anyway, onto the important stuff. This clears three of the players from starting the game as cult. Shadow, Liosan and Telas. Telas may or may not be recruit, but I'm trying to go for a definite cult lynch today, which means original. I'm not as sure about the original cult theory as I used to be, but if we're hunting scum, we might as well hunt original scum, just in case.

Galain, Korv, GL, HP, Mockra and Emur are left. I'm obviously excluding myself. I'm hesitant to do so, but I'm going to remove Galain and Korv from that list. It could be a huge mistake, and I'm open to cases against them, but they really dont seem like scum. Going with my gut. That leaves (in order of my suspicion)

Galayn Lord - Painted me and everyone else who wanted Meanas dead as 'blatant scum'. Hops on for a single vote-post today with a vote for me. Tonnes of time left in day. Says it's the middle of the night, dunno why he wouldnt just wait till morning. Has been near the top of my suspect list all game, has now reached the point where he's my favourite lynch candidate. Has said and done very little of actual worth this game, but has this high and mighty attitude (to me at least). The huge fuss he made about cult yesterday reminds me of my own faked desire to hunt down my teammates in Mafia 31.

Mockra - Cant really get a read on him. He's also been someone who is quiet most of the game. Could be imagining this, but he seemed to be weakly following GL's lead yesterday. If GL is cult, I would definitely be looking at him as a recruit.

Emur - Havent gotten a read on him either, but I'd put him below Meanas in terms of scumminess.

HP - something about him screams inno to me. Random things that he's done have really made me think he's inno without him seeming to intend them. Unless he's completely fooled me, I dont think I will be voting for him.

Korv and Galain - Well, like I said, I dont really consider these guys supects. Cant really explain why, but as the top and bottom posters they've been under a lot of suspicion and nothing they've said or done makes me think they are cult.

So I'm going to
vote Galayn Lord
for the reasons above. Though I would be pretty willing to switch to Mockra or possibly Emur if that's the way the day is headed, since I'm pretty sure two out of those three must be cult.

Any thoughts people?

Edit, fixed some minor errors and made it more readable

Edit 2 - Changed Meanas to Mockra, I'm pretty tired and get all these damn alts confused

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 November 2008 - 04:23 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

Galayn Lord - Painted me and everyone else who wanted Meanas dead as 'blatant scum'. Hops on for a single vote-post today with a vote for me. Tonnes of time left in day. Says it's the middle of the night, dunno why he wouldnt just wait till morning. Has been near the top of my suspect list all game, has now reached the point where he's my favourite lynch candidate. Has said and done very little of actual worth this game, but has this high and mighty attitude (to me at least). The huge fuss he made about cult yesterday reminds me of my own faked desire to hunt down my teammates in Mafia 31.

...

So I'm going to
vote Galayn Lord
for the reasons above. Though I would be pretty willing to switch to Mockra or possibly Emur if that's the way the day is headed, since I'm pretty sure two out of those three must be cult.

This is the second time you've deflected directly back to me, rather than someone who, you know, has actually tried to work against the Town's interests. I especially love the part where my interest in hunting down Cultists is somehow ... evidence that I am one.

I'm not sure if I believe the reveal, either, since it's something you could easily have pieced together from information in-thread ... and we have no way to verify it based on your future actions.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on Nov 19 2008, 06:30 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

Galayn Lord - Painted me and everyone else who wanted Meanas dead as 'blatant scum'. Hops on for a single vote-post today with a vote for me. Tonnes of time left in day. Says it's the middle of the night, dunno why he wouldnt just wait till morning. Has been near the top of my suspect list all game, has now reached the point where he's my favourite lynch candidate. Has said and done very little of actual worth this game, but has this high and mighty attitude (to me at least). The huge fuss he made about cult yesterday reminds me of my own faked desire to hunt down my teammates in Mafia 31.

...

So I'm going to
vote Galayn Lord
for the reasons above. Though I would be pretty willing to switch to Mockra or possibly Emur if that's the way the day is headed, since I'm pretty sure two out of those three must be cult.

This is the second time you've deflected directly back to me, rather than someone who, you know, has actually tried to work against the Town's interests. I especially love the part where my interest in hunting down Cultists is somehow ... evidence that I am one.

I'm not sure if I believe the reveal, either, since it's something you could easily have pieced together from information in-thread ... and we have no way to verify it based on your future actions.

Yup, I know my reveal isnt as airtight as I wish it could be. (hmm, why would i make up a crappy reveal? Maybe I'm not making this up?) I would be happy to answers any questions I you have about my role, just confirming with PS what exactly I am allowed to say. But like I said, I got some info at the beginning of the game that I thought it was time to share, and now that another possessed is down and there is a good chance another depossession role exists, I feel a lot safer revealing. Knowing that the depossessor was gone would have given the dead a bit of an advantage had I revealed earlier.

And the reason I keep deflecting onto you is because in my mind, you are the person that has tried to work against the towns interests by constantly trying to push a vote on me. I would have been all over Telas if I hadnt known he was inno. You seem to be pushing on me really hard without giving anything else any consideration. Up there's a long post with all my thoughts. I am perfectly willing to listen to other peoples opinions, and will change my vote if it becomes clear you are inno, or that someone else is obviously cult. Strange how your response to my pressure was to.... Deflect onto me. :gasp: Pot, Kettle?

Edit - Also, regarding the end of your first paragraph. That's not what I said. Thanks for the strawman (pity Guy Fawkes is already over). Cult Leaders (and killers) know exactly who is on their team, so they can quite vociferously go after their own team knowing they wont actually hit any of them. It's something I've done before, and many other people here have too. So no, not everyone who hunts cult is cult (which is what you implied I said), but you seem incredibly single-minded about the whole thing. It's just one more thing that has bumped you up to the top of my suspect list. Your attempt to discredit me like that just makes me sure I've hit the right guy.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 November 2008 - 05:03 PM

[Liosan]

wow.. I sghouldn't be online right now, but for now I remove vote .. I might put it back when I read this properly.. We'll see

[Liosan]

wow.. I sghouldn't be online right now, but for now I remove vote .. I might put it back when I read this properly.. We'll see

[Liosan]

wow.. I sghouldn't be online right now, but for now I remove vote .. I might put it back when I read this properly.. We'll see

[Liosan]

wow.. I sghouldn't be online right now, but for now I remove vote .. I might put it back when I read this properly.. We'll see

[Liosan]

what the fuck?

[Emurlahn]

OMG Griefs taken over liosan again

[Ruse]

Broken internet is broken...

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on Nov 19 2008, 07:04 PM, said:

OMG Griefs taken over liosan again

lol, have rep.

Also, I'd really like people's thoughts. I've got nothing planned for the next few days except play mafia and drink, so let's get it started

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

Yup, I know my reveal isnt as airtight as I wish it could be. (hmm, why would i make up a crappy reveal? Maybe I'm not making this up?) I would be happy to answers any questions I you have about my role, just confirming with PS what exactly I am allowed to say. But like I said, I got some info at the beginning of the game that I thought it was time to share, and now that another possessed is down and there is a good chance another depossession role exists, I feel a lot safer revealing. Knowing that the depossessor was gone would have given the dead a bit of an advantage had I revealed earlier.

And the reason I keep deflecting onto you is because in my mind, you are the person that has tried to work against the towns interests by constantly trying to push a vote on me. I would have been all over Telas if I hadnt known he was inno. You seem to be pushing on me really hard without giving anything else any consideration. Up there's a long post with all my thoughts. I am perfectly willing to listen to other peoples opinions, and will change my vote if it becomes clear you are inno, or that someone else is obviously cult. Strange how your response to my pressure was to.... Deflect onto me. :gasp: Pot, Kettle?

Edit - Also, regarding the end of your first paragraph. That's not what I said. Thanks for the strawman (pity Guy Fawkes is already over). Cult Leaders (and killers) know exactly who is on their team, so they can quite vociferously go after their own team knowing they wont actually hit any of them. It's something I've done before, and many other people here have too. So no, not everyone who hunts cult is cult (which is what you implied I said), but you seem incredibly single-minded about the whole thing. It's just one more thing that has bumped you up to the top of my suspect list. Your attempt to discredit me like that just makes me sure I've hit the right guy.

Sooo ... the fact that your "reveal" isn't airtight should be taken as evidence of it's veracity? Uh huh.

And the fact that I really want to go after Cult ... should be taken as evidence that I probably am part of the Cult.

Amazing logic, there.

I'm focused on the Cult because they're playing a zero-sum game: When they gain a player, we automatically lose one. Taking down Meanas - like you were so anxious to do, when we knew he was neutralized - would simply buy the Cult another night to recruit while preserving their existing numbers.

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Strange how your response to my pressure was to.... Deflect onto me. :gasp: Pot, Kettle?

This is a pretty blatant attempt to re-write events. I'm not responding to your pressure - my first vote against you came long before you said anything about me, and every other vote has been through consistency, and your increasingly scummy attitude. You know, people can actually go back and re-read both our posts ... and see that you're responding to my pressure, not the other way around.

[Emurlahn]

Well myself I'm inclined to believe Liosan and shadows story about being lovers, although it is possible they could be the original cult still as we're pretty sure that those 2 are probably paired lovers as well, but I'm not too convinced by that so for the moment I'm willing to believe there innocent barring further evidence.
Now Korvalain has become a bit more active which is interesting, is possibly just because he was under pressure for being a low poster and a likely possession target but could also be because he got possessed or he's scum and knows that as we get into the lower numbers of people hiding away with few posts is risky (especially after the disco game ) . So I'm still a bit iffy about him and wouldn't be adverse to lynching him to remove the possibility of his being possessed .
Now Ruses reveal is very iffy, it just seems too nice and perfect for me, I also notice that he isn't actually taking credit for any of the possessed kills which is interesting because it means a counter reveal isn't really possible as he hasnt claimed he's done anything.
Now @ruses list of likely people HP and Galain seem likely innocents to me as well for now. Mokra is a possibility as he has basically not done a huge amount and to be honest I can't really remember what trains he's on or who he's been attacking so he is suspicious.
Galayn Lord I'm not too sure about but to me he's one of the people more likely to be guilty left in.