[Shadow]

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

Sorry for the Spam, I keep thinking of things...

Day 1 Train on Anno: Rashan, Emur , Thry, Galain, Serc, Omtose, HP, Shadow, Fener, Gaylord, Mockra, Gamelon

Day 2 Train on Rashan: Telas, Shadow, Galain, Tennes, Meanas, Emur , Fener, Rashan, Ruse, Mockra

Day 3 Train on Rashan: Emur , fener, Gay lord, HP, Mockra, Omtose, Shadow, Tennes, Telas

Day 4 Train on Korv: Liosan, Shadow, HP, Gamelon (removed), Galain

Day 4 Train on Ruse: Telas, Tennes, Meanas, Fener, Emur , gaylord

Day 5 Ruse train part deux: Gaylord, Emur , Shadow, Meanas, Telas


Emur has voted early and often on almost all the trains except Korv's (possible recruit based on day 1-2 activities for sure) Also interesting to note, Gaylord and Emur are usually within 1-2 votes of each other with Gaylord usually following Emur.

Any thoughts on this, or is it all a bunch of rubbish?

The day 3 list is no proof, I'd say: it was very clear then that Rashan had to die, so I;d say those who voted then were the people who were the first to log on.
Galayn Lord is pretty specific in posting times, during dead hours for most of us. Don't know about Emurlahn. Might be another explanation. Now, Emuhr is a guy who is suspicious by being off the radar, he's there early at posts (EDIT: I mean lynches), and it is very possible he is a cultist. But as a leader, he doesn't really fit into the profile I'd want as a cult leader: no opinion that stands out, no cases, no distancing, medium post count, nothing. Easy possession target, easy recruit target (thus easy kill for vigs who can't press a case) and therefore, not a good position to be in as a leader.

Also, GL only hops on in the latest days after Emur, and for distancing purposes, were GL a nub recruit who follows his leader around like a dog, why would Emur then reinforce that picture by voting directly after the Lord on day 5? That wouldn't be very circumspect.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 19 November 2008 - 06:45 PM

[Shadow]

Liosan, on Nov 19 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

on my phone, I'll try to elaborate later. I think Mockra is evil. It's all gut but just think about it and look
at his posting. His patterns through the game and
say he doesn't bother you. I am quite convinced

Mockra

Yes, he has, but not quite enough next to Galain. I'll wait for your elaboration, but your nose for scum so far has been as good as a dog's, so i'm willing to change. If you ask nicely.

[Shadow]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 19 2008, 08:07 PM, said:

Well Ruse, how does your ability work?
You obviously don't put someone in zero-tau, which is what hit Liosan. You said this yourself, your ability is distinctly different.
So, please give us a bit more of a description of the mechanics, in as far as you are allowed.
Zero-tau guards someone for a lot of time, preventing them from speaking, if we can believe Liosan, and when he said what he said, I can confirm that he was still sane and on our side.

So, is your ability 'touch and go'? No other effects on your target? If so, you're far more powerful than the zero-tau is, in my humble opinion. Since you seemingly can dispossess one target a night, is there a max number of changes? What happens to the depossessed? Are any abilities returned? What becomes their alignment? Does it only work on townies, or also on Ivets and cultists, or did you receive no info on that?

For now, I am inclined to believe you. And if your reveal hadn't come, I'd have voted for you. You were my main target for today, so I am at a bit of a loss now.

The rest of your post is very interesting. I'm definitely curious as to Galains response regarding his inno proof. Didn't notivce the hunting possessed thing. Anyway, gonna reply to the bit for me.

I asked the mods where the line between role reveal and modkill lies. Venge quoted me the 'no name reveals' thing. I sent him and example of what I might want to say and he said I should wait for DiBs. For now I ask that you wait till I get feedback regarding that aspect. If it somehow gets to crunch time before that, I will try give a couple of hints.

My ability is distinctly different, but I feel equal in power. My action only works at night. I can only expel a soul once it has been in the body for at least a day (ie I cant 'block' a possesion the same night it is made), meaning the possessed are given a full day to screw around. I'm assuming ghosts move into an alt at the end of night. Whoever has the zero-tau machine can then effectively block them from having any influence on the game from the second they enter the alt, and expels them at the end of the day, so a 'sortof' block. Also, the fact that the alt was obviously away all day is a bit of evidence that can be used should someone claim to have been possessed and now returned to their alt, something I cant give to the people I save. Meaning that should someone be targetted because of something their possessor said the previous day, I would have to step forward to prove the fact that they were possessed.

I wasnt made aware of any 'charges', since the skill is part of who I am, rather than a machine or something. I must say it makes much more sense with regard to my character - finder didnt fit the description of who I was, changing to exorcist fit much better.

Like I said before, I assumed the original player was returned to their alt if I was successful. Fener and Tellan's deaths have me doubting this a tiny bit.

I havent gotten any information about the people I tried to save. When I asked if I still have a find, I was told no. There was also a confusing statement about my ability not working on cult, which was clarified as me not being the decoder. Or at least, I didnt get corrected when I eventually asked if that was what was originally meant. So I assumed whoever I saved would go back to their original alignment. In short, as far as I know, it works on anyone who is possessed, and the original player keeps their alignment and abilities. But I must admit, I didnt think to ask about a couple of things and will do so now.

What you are saying is, (since you can't say it yourself ) you claim to be the priest mentioned in the stories?
Thanks for the explanation, look forward to see the details on the things you're still asking

This post has been edited by Shadow: 19 November 2008 - 06:44 PM

[Ruse]

@HP, sorry no irrefutable proof. But thinking about Galain being guilty makes my head hurt. But it's very possible I am wrong, and like I said I'm open to suggestions.

@Shadow, I agree. Galain's reveal will have to be special unique to CI him.

@both, let's keep in mind that the two original recruiters can(could) talk off thread. I'm still not sold that Omtose was one of those two. I think I did some dodgy maths earlier on the chances that he was, and they weren't conclusive. So if both are still around, they could talk off thread, making it easy for them to plan stuff like when they would vote.

[Hood's Path]

Shadow, on Nov 19 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

Sorry for the Spam, I keep thinking of things...

Day 1 Train on Anno: Rashan, Emur , Thry, Galain, Serc, Omtose, HP, Shadow, Fener, Gaylord, Mockra, Gamelon

Day 2 Train on Rashan: Telas, Shadow, Galain, Tennes, Meanas, Emur , Fener, Rashan, Ruse, Mockra

Day 3 Train on Rashan: Emur , fener, Gay lord, HP, Mockra, Omtose, Shadow, Tennes, Telas

Day 4 Train on Korv: Liosan, Shadow, HP, Gamelon (removed), Galain

Day 4 Train on Ruse: Telas, Tennes, Meanas, Fener, Emur , gaylord

Day 5 Ruse train part deux: Gaylord, Emur , Shadow, Meanas, Telas


Emur has voted early and often on almost all the trains except Korv's (possible recruit based on day 1-2 activities for sure) Also interesting to note, Gaylord and Emur are usually within 1-2 votes of each other with Gaylord usually following Emur.

Any thoughts on this, or is it all a bunch of rubbish?

The day 3 list is no proof, I'd say: it was very clear then that Rashan had to die, so I;d say those who voted then were the people who were the first to log on.
Galayn Lord is pretty specific in posting times, during dead hours for most of us. Don't know about Emurlahn. Might be another explanation. Now, Emuhr is a guy who is suspicious by being off the radar, he's there early at posts, and it is very possible he is a cultist. But as a leader, he doesn't really fit into the profile I'd want as a cult leader: no opinion that stands out, no cases, no distancing, medium post count, nothing. Easy possession target, easy recruit target (thus easy kill for vigs who can't press a case) and therefore, not a good position to be in as a leader.

Also, GL only hops on in the latest days after Emur, and for distancing purposes, were GL a nub recruit who follows his leader around like a dog, why would Emur then reinforce that picture by voting directly after the Lord on day 5? That wouldn't be very circumspect.

So if we go by that logic, the ONLY possible leader is Galain. The remaining suspects:

Korv, Gaylord, Mockra, Emur are all under the radar people. I would think there is more than 1 way to play leader. Its possible that it is a newer player. But going by your logic, the only possible leader is galain.

[Shadow]

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 01:45 PM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 19 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 01:27 PM, said:

Sorry for the Spam, I keep thinking of things...

Day 1 Train on Anno: Rashan, Emur , Thry, Galain, Serc, Omtose, HP, Shadow, Fener, Gaylord, Mockra, Gamelon

Day 2 Train on Rashan: Telas, Shadow, Galain, Tennes, Meanas, Emur , Fener, Rashan, Ruse, Mockra

Day 3 Train on Rashan: Emur , fener, Gay lord, HP, Mockra, Omtose, Shadow, Tennes, Telas

Day 4 Train on Korv: Liosan, Shadow, HP, Gamelon (removed), Galain

Day 4 Train on Ruse: Telas, Tennes, Meanas, Fener, Emur , gaylord

Day 5 Ruse train part deux: Gaylord, Emur , Shadow, Meanas, Telas


Emur has voted early and often on almost all the trains except Korv's (possible recruit based on day 1-2 activities for sure) Also interesting to note, Gaylord and Emur are usually within 1-2 votes of each other with Gaylord usually following Emur.

Any thoughts on this, or is it all a bunch of rubbish?

The day 3 list is no proof, I'd say: it was very clear then that Rashan had to die, so I;d say those who voted then were the people who were the first to log on.
Galayn Lord is pretty specific in posting times, during dead hours for most of us. Don't know about Emurlahn. Might be another explanation. Now, Emuhr is a guy who is suspicious by being off the radar, he's there early at posts, and it is very possible he is a cultist. But as a leader, he doesn't really fit into the profile I'd want as a cult leader: no opinion that stands out, no cases, no distancing, medium post count, nothing. Easy possession target, easy recruit target (thus easy kill for vigs who can't press a case) and therefore, not a good position to be in as a leader.

Also, GL only hops on in the latest days after Emur, and for distancing purposes, were GL a nub recruit who follows his leader around like a dog, why would Emur then reinforce that picture by voting directly after the Lord on day 5? That wouldn't be very circumspect.

So if we go by that logic, the ONLY possible leader is Galain. The remaining suspects:

Korv, Gaylord, Mockra, Emur are all under the radar people. I would think there is more than 1 way to play leader. Its possible that it is a newer player. But going by your logic, the only possible leader is galain.

I may very well be too focused on Galain. I'll readily admit that he has been worrying me all game long. You are spot on about there being multiple ways to play. I can't help it, I just don't trust him. It might very well be that I'm ignoring other cases and telltale signs because he has become a bit of a personal obsession . Thus, I'm very interested in Liosan's case (also, because I should back my partner up ) against Mockra. It's just that right now, my radar is obscured by 6 letters, and they spell GALAIN in caps all over my screen.

[Galayn Lord]

Ruse: Yeah, this actually is turning into a farce. You're weaving a more elaborate explanation of your supposed reveal ... but I can't decide if I believe it or not. Your reaction to Thyrllan's modkill - trying to see the bright side of an Inno taken out - leaves me really cold, along with you're not being interested in going after Cult while a neutralized Ivet was alive. Just too scummy - I can't really read that as being simply misguided. I'm not removing my vote for now.

HP: No idea why Emur and I have similar vote patterns - I suspect we're just in the same time zone.

My suspicions at the moment: Galain, Ruse, and Emur are Cult. Korv or Mockra is Possessed, but likely not both, due to the timeframe. No clue if Omtose was the Cult leader.

These are subject to wildly changing, especially since I was so wrong about Gamelon and Serc, being convinced they were both scum of some sort, most likely Cult - I seem to be heavily misreading people. My speculation of who's Possessed, for example, is pure gut feeling.

[Ruse]

Hmm. Shadow I trust, since we've been thinking along the same lines most of the game, and he's CI. HP, you're also pretty close to the bottom of the list (I could actually just have grouped you with Korv), so I'm interested to see where this goes. I think almost everyone has voted for almost everyone else, lol. I will wait for Galain to return (has he been on? Hope he isnt silenced ) though, since I am very interested in what he has to say to all this.

Also, my girlfriend is here, so I'm going to be slightly quieter for a bit.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on Nov 19 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

Ruse: Yeah, this actually is turning into a farce. You're weaving a more elaborate explanation of your supposed reveal ... but I can't decide if I believe it or not. Your reaction to Thyrllan's modkill - trying to see the bright side of an Inno taken out - leaves me really cold, along with you're not being interested in going after Cult while a neutralized Ivet was alive. Just too scummy - I can't really read that as being simply misguided. I'm not removing my vote for now.

HP: No idea why Emur and I have similar vote patterns - I suspect we're just in the same time zone.

My suspicions at the moment: Galain, Ruse, and Emur are Cult. Korv or Mockra is Possessed, but likely not both, due to the timeframe. No clue if Omtose was the Cult leader.

These are subject to wildly changing, especially since I was so wrong about Gamelon and Serc, being convinced they were both scum of some sort, most likely Cult - I seem to be heavily misreading people. My speculation of who's Possessed, for example, is pure gut feeling.

Ok, I've been over the Thyr thing, although I realise now I should definitely check what I'm saying before posting, since that seems to have come out totally wrong. Not weaving, that's what I know. Will reveal more when I know how much I can. Like I said, I had no idea who was cult yesterday, there were simply too many people playing. So if the options were me (an inno), some wild guess on my part as to who was cult (knowing my luck an inno) or Meanas (almost certainly Ivet), then I chose the Ivet. No matter which of those I chose, we'd lose an inno to cult, but at least with Meanas we wouldnt lose one to a lynch.

With regard to there being possessed left, I think there's still at least one. I'm hoping once they all disappear I'll get my find back, but I think that's just being hopeful. Anyway, I'd like everyone's opinion as to who is the most likely possession target at the moment. I'm thinking Mockra or Telas, but it could be anyone really. I'll put my NA on them, since my possession spotting skills seem to suck.

[Ruse]

Also, PS just told me the assumptions I made as to the stuff in my role (people stay the same) are pretty much right (although the fact that he didn't say 'exactly right' is making me wonder, lol)

Edit - triple post. Where is everyone? Anyway, drinks are poured and stuff, check you all in a bit

This post has been edited by Ruse: 19 November 2008 - 07:18 PM

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

Hmm. Shadow I trust, since we've been thinking along the same lines most of the game, and he's CI. HP, you're also pretty close to the bottom of the list (I could actually just have grouped you with Korv), so I'm interested to see where this goes. I think almost everyone has voted for almost everyone else, lol. I will wait for Galain to return (has he been on? Hope he isnt silenced ) though, since I am very interested in what he has to say to all this.

Also, my girlfriend is here, so I'm going to be slightly quieter for a bit.

Bolded is Mine

Well...this just set off alarm bells. Wasn't Liosan silenced because you supposedly mis tagged him as possesed? Or did I miss something? So the only way that Galain would be silenced is if you mis tagged him as possesed. Why would you not know if you depossesed him.

[Ruse]

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 09:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

Hmm. Shadow I trust, since we've been thinking along the same lines most of the game, and he's CI. HP, you're also pretty close to the bottom of the list (I could actually just have grouped you with Korv), so I'm interested to see where this goes. I think almost everyone has voted for almost everyone else, lol. I will wait for Galain to return (has he been on? Hope he isnt silenced ) though, since I am very interested in what he has to say to all this.

Also, my girlfriend is here, so I'm going to be slightly quieter for a bit.

Bolded is Mine

Well...this just set off alarm bells. Wasn't Liosan silenced because you supposedly mis tagged him as possesed? Or did I miss something? So the only way that Galain would be silenced is if you mis tagged him as possesed. Why would you not know if you depossesed him.

Cos I'm not the guy that does the silencing. See my role reveal above... I'm the other guy that can depossess (why there's two is beyond me, but if there hadnt been I wouldn't have revealed my role)

Ok, really have to stop checking the thread that one last time

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Nov 19 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

Ruse: Yeah, this actually is turning into a farce. You're weaving a more elaborate explanation of your supposed reveal ... but I can't decide if I believe it or not. Your reaction to Thyrllan's modkill - trying to see the bright side of an Inno taken out - leaves me really cold, along with you're not being interested in going after Cult while a neutralized Ivet was alive. Just too scummy - I can't really read that as being simply misguided. I'm not removing my vote for now.

HP: No idea why Emur and I have similar vote patterns - I suspect we're just in the same time zone.

My suspicions at the moment: Galain, Ruse, and Emur are Cult. Korv or Mockra is Possessed, but likely not both, due to the timeframe. No clue if Omtose was the Cult leader.

These are subject to wildly changing, especially since I was so wrong about Gamelon and Serc, being convinced they were both scum of some sort, most likely Cult - I seem to be heavily misreading people. My speculation of who's Possessed, for example, is pure gut feeling.

Ok, I've been over the Thyr thing, although I realise now I should definitely check what I'm saying before posting, since that seems to have come out totally wrong. Not weaving, that's what I know. Will reveal more when I know how much I can. Like I said, I had no idea who was cult yesterday, there were simply too many people playing. So if the options were me (an inno), some wild guess on my part as to who was cult (knowing my luck an inno) or Meanas (almost certainly Ivet), then I chose the Ivet. No matter which of those I chose, we'd lose an inno to cult, but at least with Meanas we wouldnt lose one to a lynch.

With regard to there being possessed left, I think there's still at least one. I'm hoping once they all disappear I'll get my find back, but I think that's just being hopeful. Anyway, I'd like everyone's opinion as to who is the most likely possession target at the moment. I'm thinking Mockra or Telas, but it could be anyone really. I'll put my NA on them, since my possession spotting skills seem to suck.

I think it would be really hard to Possess Telas. Very Distinctive. Mockra, easy to possess. I would tend to go with the path of least resistance for the possesed, as we have seen they haven't been lasting to long. One good thing for Inno's, other than Liosan, the possessed are probably going to be targeting the same people as the Cult. so hopefully the numbers aren't as bad as Shadow and I fear.

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 11:21 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Nov 19 2008, 09:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 19 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

Hmm. Shadow I trust, since we've been thinking along the same lines most of the game, and he's CI. HP, you're also pretty close to the bottom of the list (I could actually just have grouped you with Korv), so I'm interested to see where this goes. I think almost everyone has voted for almost everyone else, lol. I will wait for Galain to return (has he been on? Hope he isnt silenced ) though, since I am very interested in what he has to say to all this.

Also, my girlfriend is here, so I'm going to be slightly quieter for a bit.

Bolded is Mine

Well...this just set off alarm bells. Wasn't Liosan silenced because you supposedly mis tagged him as possesed? Or did I miss something? So the only way that Galain would be silenced is if you mis tagged him as possesed. Why would you not know if you depossesed him.

Cos I'm not the guy that does the silencing. See my role reveal above... I'm the other guy that can depossess (why there's two is beyond me, but if there hadnt been I wouldn't have revealed my role)

Ok, really have to stop checking the thread that one last time

Dammit, I am confused, you went from finder to depossesor. But there is also a Tau machine guy. Ugh... I am lost....again...

[Mockra]

Wow! It appears we have had more reveals.
Now let me see if I have the right of it.

Liosan and Shadow are lovers that only talk at night.
Ruse is some sort of de-possessor.
and we have some guy putting people in boxes during the day and preventing them from posting while they are in there.

I would also like to hear from Galain though, his claim that he can prove he is innocent is something I would love to hear.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 19 November 2008 - 07:35 PM

[Hood's Path]

@ Mockra- Anything to say on Liosan's vote, and you being on most everyone's list for Possesed/cult?

[Mockra]

His vote?
then one where he says its all gut?

[Mockra]

As for everyone's list as possessed or cult.

Well what can I say, I have not been around as much I wanted to be and I am a low poster, so I am no surprised people seem to see me that way, right now though I wish I was, because everyone else seems to have gotten an awesome role of some sort

[Hood's Path]

Mockra, on Nov 19 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

His vote?
then one where he says its all gut?

Yeah, that one. You seem very flippant. Perhaps because you know you have 4-5 cultists backing you up?

remove vote

Vote Mockra

I'd like to see where this goes.

[Mockra]

How is that flippant?

He is saying his gut told him so and saying I must be evil. How would you like me to defend myself?