[Liosan]

... not to mention (sorry about the triple) that right now getting the cult is the most important thing I think. Sure, if an opportunity to get the last Ivet presents itself, we should go for it, but our main focus should be the cult and potentially the possessed I think.

[Ruse]

OK, I'm back. Not much seems to have happened. Some pressure on me from Telas.

Regarding not voting for Ano. Like I said before, I wasn't around for the Ano lynch. I've been lynched while I was away on day one and it sucks, which is why I would rather have gone for someone who could defend themselves. Other than that, I had no objection to voting for him.

Regarding my thyrllan comment. Like I said, I was just looking at the bright side. It sucks to lose an inno at any point of the game, but whenever we get a CF it gives us information. Granted, not a lot in this case, since he wasnt under any sort of suspicion.

How is talking about role distribution scummy? I wasn't fishing for information on inno roles. That's scummy. But trying to figure out what exactly we are up against is standard day one tactics in a high TMDI game. I was also looking to see who knew more than they should, even with book knowledge, but nothing like that showed up. As for not hunting scum - I gave me thoughts. At that point it was you and Ano. Nothing particularly strong though and I'm not gonna try push a case I dont firmly believe in, it distracts the other players from finding scum themselves.

And the passive-aggressive thing, well that's just how I play. You're not the first (and probably not the last) person to accuse me of being scum for playing clean.

[Galain]

Liosan, on Nov 14 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

... not to mention (sorry about the triple) that right now getting the cult is the most important thing I think. Sure, if an opportunity to get the last Ivet presents itself, we should go for it, but our main focus should be the cult and potentially the possessed I think.

I agree with this, which is why I haven't put my vote on Meanas yet.

However, like I said, if day comes close to an end and our cult/possessed hunt is not gelling, then I suggest we turn on Meanas to give us a good chance to not waste a lynch.

[Ruse]

So who are the chief cult suspects at this point? Meanas doesnt really fit the bill, cult would have voted for Ano. Galayn Lord's name keeps popping up, but he hasnt done anything overtly suspicious. On the flip side of that there's Gam, but I'm more inclined to vote GL. Korv is incredibly hard to get a read on because he's never here. Makes him a very likely possession target as well. Tennes is CI, which makes him a likely choice for recruitment, but we want to hit the original members, not recruits. Fener maybe? Emur has also been pretty much under the radar, he seemed in a bit of a hurry to have Rashan lynched on day three, but that might have just been frustration.

[Emurlahn]

Well we knew (pretty much) Rashan was guilty that point so I placed a vote on him as son as day started, I had already said I wanted to lynch him again anyway so I dont see how me putting an early vote on him somehow suggests I'm scummy .

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on Nov 14 2008, 12:22 PM, said:

Well we knew (pretty much) Rashan was guilty that point so I placed a vote on him as son as day started, I had already said I wanted to lynch him again anyway so I dont see how me putting an early vote on him somehow suggests I'm scummy .

Well, scum like speed lynches. And when we were discussing things instead of hammering, you came on and told us to hammer. You made valid points, nothing you did was 'scummy' as such. Like I said before, I think scum would have jumped on the obvious lynch. I'm looking at pretty much everyone at this point, you just stood out a little on a quick scan through.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

So who are the chief cult suspects at this point? Meanas doesnt really fit the bill, cult would have voted for Ano. Galayn Lord's name keeps popping up, but he hasnt done anything overtly suspicious. On the flip side of that there's Gam, but I'm more inclined to vote GL. Korv is incredibly hard to get a read on because he's never here. Makes him a very likely possession target as well. Tennes is CI, which makes him a likely choice for recruitment, but we want to hit the original members, not recruits. Fener maybe? Emur has also been pretty much under the radar, he seemed in a bit of a hurry to have Rashan lynched on day three, but that might have just been frustration.

Me being "CI" is something thats been coming up quite a bit with regards to me being recruited, I have not been recruited (not yet anyways )
I think that they wont choose me simply because i am the obvious choice.
Too obvious I would think.
I wouldn't choose someone that has a CI tag because of this very scenario we have now of everyone looking at me because i am considered CI.
I would take a look at the very low posters for recruits and possessed, they haven't posted much and therefore are less likely to slip up.

I think going for leaders is our best bet, I would bet that Omtose was an original cult member so there is a good place to start looking.

[Path-Shaper]

Can i remind everyone to put in their provisionals. I will be around tonight and tomorrow, so you should be able to get to day 5 by tomorrow if we get the night actions in for night 4 in good order.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 November 2008 - 10:39 AM

[Emurlahn]

I forget are we in Day or night at the moment, whats the time count? (I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment, hard to concentrate )

[Path-Shaper]

it is day 4, you have 19 hours remaining.

There are 14 players remaining. 8 for a lynch, 7 to go to night.

2 votes for meanas (hoods path, emurlahn)
1 vote for ruse (telas)
1 vote for korvalain (Liosan)

Players not to have voted :- Fener, Galain, Galayn lord, Gamelon, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Ruse, Shadow, Tennes

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 November 2008 - 11:06 AM

[Tennes]

Path-Shaper, on Nov 14 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

Can i remind everyone to put in their provisionals. I will be around tonight and tomorrow, so you should be able to get to day 5 by tomorrow if we get the night actions in for night 4 in good order.

luckily i dont have a N/A anymore

[Tennes]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 12:53 AM, said:

In the interest of fully bringing up more angles of discussion and because me instincts have been right once this game I'm relatively sure they are again.

Vote Ruse

Reasons:
Lots of day one Role Distribution talk and very little day one scum hunting.
His generally passive/aggressive approach to the game also seems scummy to me.
His attitude to Thyrlan's modkill.

Got the same impression upon reread myself...Have a feeling you may be right here
So im going to add my weight and...

Vote Ruse

[Tennes]

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 10:04 AM, said:

How is talking about role distribution scummy? I wasn't fishing for information on inno roles. That's scummy. But trying to figure out what exactly we are up against is standard day one tactics in a high TMDI game. I was also looking to see who knew more than they should, even with book knowledge, but nothing like that showed up. As for not hunting scum - I gave me thoughts. At that point it was you and Ano. Nothing particularly strong though and I'm not gonna try push a case I dont firmly believe in, it distracts the other players from finding scum themselves.

And the passive-aggressive thing, well that's just how I play. You're not the first (and probably not the last) person to accuse me of being scum for playing clean.

Role distribution talk only helps the scum, its a fact.

[Ruse]

Tennes, on Nov 14 2008, 12:36 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

So who are the chief cult suspects at this point? Meanas doesnt really fit the bill, cult would have voted for Ano. Galayn Lord's name keeps popping up, but he hasnt done anything overtly suspicious. On the flip side of that there's Gam, but I'm more inclined to vote GL. Korv is incredibly hard to get a read on because he's never here. Makes him a very likely possession target as well. Tennes is CI, which makes him a likely choice for recruitment, but we want to hit the original members, not recruits. Fener maybe? Emur has also been pretty much under the radar, he seemed in a bit of a hurry to have Rashan lynched on day three, but that might have just been frustration.

Me being "CI" is something thats been coming up quite a bit with regards to me being recruited, I have not been recruited (not yet anyways )
I think that they wont choose me simply because i am the obvious choice.
Too obvious I would think.
I wouldn't choose someone that has a CI tag because of this very scenario we have now of everyone looking at me because i am considered CI.
I would take a look at the very low posters for recruits and possessed, they haven't posted much and therefore are less likely to slip up.

I think going for leaders is our best bet, I would bet that Omtose was an original cult member so there is a good place to start looking.

Unfortunately thought trains like that usually just end in WIFOM. But I agree, lots of people will be keeping an eye on you to see if your behaviour changes, so you'r prob not the best candidate for recruitment/possession. Then again, scum have been doing weird things this game (Serc and Omtose's kills dont make much sense) so you never know.

We also cant assume anything about any of the CFs unless there's something obvious like Rashan's BP to back it up. Seeing as Omtose died night 3 iirc, then he's (worst case) 60% likely to be a recruit, 40% to be original. Although if cult on only recruit every second night, then the chances of him being original cult are higher.

Edit added the word original to make to sense

This post has been edited by Ruse: 14 November 2008 - 11:24 AM

[Ruse]

Tennes, on Nov 14 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 10:04 AM, said:

How is talking about role distribution scummy? I wasn't fishing for information on inno roles. That's scummy. But trying to figure out what exactly we are up against is standard day one tactics in a high TMDI game. I was also looking to see who knew more than they should, even with book knowledge, but nothing like that showed up. As for not hunting scum - I gave me thoughts. At that point it was you and Ano. Nothing particularly strong though and I'm not gonna try push a case I dont firmly believe in, it distracts the other players from finding scum themselves.

And the passive-aggressive thing, well that's just how I play. You're not the first (and probably not the last) person to accuse me of being scum for playing clean.

Role distribution talk only helps the scum, its a fact.

The scum know everything about their roles. We knew nothing. I had questions about inno roles that I deliberately didnt bring up, since those would help the scum. I wasn't the only person trying to figure out mechanics. Most of my thoughts on the game have turned out right so far. If I was scum, I wouldn't have tried to figure out scum roles, or I would have tried to put forward stuff I knew was wrong. Why would scum give innos info they need?

[Telas]

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

OK, I'm back. Not much seems to have happened. Some pressure on me from Telas.

Regarding not voting for Ano. Like I said before, I wasn't around for the Ano lynch. I've been lynched while I was away on day one and it sucks, which is why I would rather have gone for someone who could defend themselves. Other than that, I had no objection to voting for him.

I don't see much guilt in this, I didn't vote Ano either. That was because I wasn't around when his lynch actually went down as it went down quickly, I'm willing to assume the same of others not on hat train.

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Regarding my thyrllan comment. Like I said, I was just looking at the bright side. It sucks to lose an inno at any point of the game, but whenever we get a CF it gives us information. Granted, not a lot in this case, since he wasnt under any sort of suspicion.

It didn't seem that way to me. First you showed some concern about Thyr's RL issues that might have forced the Modkill, then you switched to being happy about (almost no) information. Never a hint of worry that a townie had just died. That's my interpretation of thos events, you have offered yours others can make up their minds as they see fit.

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

How is talking about role distribution scummy? I wasn't fishing for information on inno roles. That's scummy. But trying to figure out what exactly we are up against is standard day one tactics in a high TMDI game. I was also looking to see who knew more than they should, even with book knowledge, but nothing like that showed up. As for not hunting scum - I gave me thoughts. At that point it was you and Ano. Nothing particularly strong though and I'm not gonna try push a case I dont firmly believe in, it distracts the other players from finding scum themselves.

In most games, especially one where we had been told that the early game would be pretty normal, role distribution discussion helps only the scum. And you comment about not wanting to distract people from finding scum is a litle BS as your rd talk was probably the best way to go about stopping people finding scum.

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

And the passive-aggressive thing, well that's just how I play. You're not the first (and probably not the last) person to accuse me of being scum for playing clean.

When did I say anything about playing clean? By passive/agressive I meant that you have lots of posts (aggressive) but have never really attacked anyone or done anything to find scum really (passive). Trying not to make enemies, trying to be the friend of everyone. Not enough by itself to vote you, but coupled with the other things I think its good indication that you're scum.

[Ruse]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Regarding my thyrllan comment. Like I said, I was just looking at the bright side. It sucks to lose an inno at any point of the game, but whenever we get a CF it gives us information. Granted, not a lot in this case, since he wasnt under any sort of suspicion.

It didn't seem that way to me. First you showed some concern about Thyr's RL issues that might have forced the Modkill, then you switched to being happy about (almost no) information. Never a hint of worry that a townie had just died. That's my interpretation of thos events, you have offered yours others can make up their minds as they see fit.

Well, my feelings at the time would best be described as 'resigned', but I suppose it might have come across as happy.

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

How is talking about role distribution scummy? I wasn't fishing for information on inno roles. That's scummy. But trying to figure out what exactly we are up against is standard day one tactics in a high TMDI game. I was also looking to see who knew more than they should, even with book knowledge, but nothing like that showed up. As for not hunting scum - I gave me thoughts. At that point it was you and Ano. Nothing particularly strong though and I'm not gonna try push a case I dont firmly believe in, it distracts the other players from finding scum themselves.

In most games, especially one where we had been told that the early game would be pretty normal, role distribution discussion helps only the scum. And you comment about not wanting to distract people from finding scum is a litle BS as your rd talk was probably the best way to go about stopping people finding scum.

I didn't 'stop people finding scum' I was giving my thoughts on that regard as well, I just didn't see that much which was suspicious. I also wanted to talk about possession before there was any possibility of the possessed actually being in play. If we left it till later there would be every chance that a possessed player would muddy the waters. Having not read the books, I was also very confused. I initially thought the Ivet were the cult and pm'd something to PS along those lines, who then corrected me. I made a point of bringing this up in thread, since most of the other players seemed to be under a similar impression, which could have been a disaster if it continued.

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

And the passive-aggressive thing, well that's just how I play. You're not the first (and probably not the last) person to accuse me of being scum for playing clean.

When did I say anything about playing clean? By passive/agressive I meant that you have lots of posts (aggressive) but have never really attacked anyone or done anything to find scum really (passive). Trying not to make enemies, trying to be the friend of everyone. Not enough by itself to vote you, but coupled with the other things I think its good indication that you're scum.

My mistake. It's not the first time people have accused me of being scum for playing a clean game. I thought that was were you were coming from, which pissed me off a little, considering there are much more scummy seeming people out there at the moment. As for passive-aggressive, I dont agree with the passive part. I've made cases and gone back to look at people. I've commented on other people's cases, whether to agree or disagree. Being everyone's friend is just how I play, until I spot someone who is obviously scum.

[Telas]

I'm not going to respond again Ruse as I'll just end up saying the same things again. Eventually we'll just end up in one big circular argument which will clog the thread and help no one. At this point I have offered reason I think you are scum, reason I believe in enough to be pretty sure. You have offered your counter arguments to that. It's now time for other people to decided which of us they agree.

Short of something exceptional my vote will stay on you most of the day, hopefully the whole day ending in your lynch.

[Ruse]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

I'm not going to respond again Ruse as I'll just end up saying the same things again. Eventually we'll just end up in one big circular argument which will clog the thread and help no one. At this point I have offered reason I think you are scum, reason I believe in enough to be pretty sure. You have offered your counter arguments to that. It's now time for other people to decided which of us they agree.

Short of something exceptional my vote will stay on you most of the day, hopefully the whole day ending in your lynch.

I was hoping you wouldn't - those tags were making my head hurt. Fair enough, you made your case, I defended. I think it's stupid to go after me when there's people who I think are more likely to be scum who are also under suspicion. But I can only say that knowing I'm innocent, which will be difficult to prove.

The other thing is that I will be leaving in 45 minutes or so for at least 7 hours. I dunno if I will be back before night, especially if day ends early. I'd like to be around to defend myself more, but if you all decide I'm guilty from what's been said here then there's nothing I can do to stop you lynching me while I'm away.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on Nov 14 2008, 01:21 PM, said:

The other thing is that I will be leaving in 45 minutes or so for at least 7 hours. I dunno if I will be back before night, especially if day ends early. I'd like to be around to defend myself more, but if you all decide I'm guilty from what's been said here then there's nothing I can do to stop you lynching me while I'm away.

Rather nervous are you?
You only have two votes.