[Tennes]

Shadow, on Nov 14 2008, 03:39 PM, said:

Time to lift the veil a bit.

I'm a housewife living in town. By day, I wait for my rugged husband to come back, by night, we can talk.
He mentioned a suspicion of Omtose, so I set up the frameworks to get a decent case on the guy and mention already that there was some form of suspicion on him.
He could then later jump on the bandwagon and help out with additional arguments and replies, where I would be off on one of those Galain-like pursuits I tend to make . Basic teamwork for lovers, as you can see.

What my hubby didn't know (and no, I'm not going to mention HIS ingame name even though that seems allowed, see Tennes giving the name of Vorax, who was a player), we're both building covers in spoiler heaven and this may influence it: I want him safe), was that a lovely lady stopped by on night 2 and passed me some mojo-juice: this gave me a one-time vig. She should be able to confirm the fact that I was able to vig because of her, should she be so inclined. Not giving the name to stop fake claims.

So, I decided to speed things up. I knew Ruse had the same suspicions that I and my partner had. But we didn't have a clearcut case, that would needed buidling, which would mean a full re-read, for which I had no time. And even then, since nothing stood out the first time, well, we might end up empty handed anyway and have wasted a full day.

In such a case, a vig is VERY useful. Like I established before, we're right on track and ahead of schedule, so I felt I could gamble with a fellow townie's life. So, I wrote down the name Omtose and sent it to the mods. He turned up as a cultist, and it was the night's only kill.
That last part is, for me, the most interesting and the reason why I write this post.

Either we got rid of all the Ivets, or one is holding his kill (what for?) or the killer was guarded.
Lots of possibilities still, but if you are a guard, you definately did something right, and I want you to know that. This could be very useful information in determining who the last killer (if there still is one, I expect there is) might be. I'm not calling for a reveal fest: just to consider blocking last night's target tonight again.

Excellent!!
So the killers didn't get a kill through.
Since we are still one Ivet short hears hoping the guard did a good job last night.

I am inclined to believe you as there is/was no reason for you to fake reveal that at this time.
Much like my own reveal.

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on Nov 14 2008, said:

So we had 3 hours to go, Ano had 4 votes, then the train started to form and moved up to 7 pretty quick. With pretty good reason.

Then we have Meanas vote and comments. I wasn't around when all this went down, but to me seems a little dismissive of Ano's case really, he's just RPing, and he's being a little annoying? I rather thought it was because there was an incriminating drunk post. And he's putting it down to RP.

Could be just mistaken about the whole thing, but well I'm not sure.

You want my defense on this correct?

As far as actually reading Ano's posts, besides the drunk one, it seemed to me, that he was mostly doing nothing but pointing out the fact that he had a much better avatar than the rest of us. Now as for the drunk post, well I ingored it becuase the last time I took a drunk posting seriously, we gave Morgy the game.

[Telas]

I'm not sure I trust Shadow's reveal. He's claimed the one kill that took place and until someone, either of those he includes in his reveal, comes forward to offer some form of confirmation I feel he's about as likely to be the last remaining Ivet as he is to be a vig.

[Shadow]

Galain, on Nov 14 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

OK, I buy the mojo-juice because there's mention of a "teacher" role in the opening post.

Just one question, this part is not clear:

Shadow, on Nov 14 2008, 04:39 PM, said:

So, I wrote down the name Omtose and sent it to the mods. He turned up as a cultist, and it was the night's only kill.

You could make a find before confirming the vig? Sounds strange

Nope, no find, just the vig.
I sent his name to the mods to be vigged, and CF was cultist.

As Emurlahn said, basically.

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I have also gone back and reread. I think Omtose was complaining about being faked symped by Ano or something.
Looking back its obvious to see a Rashan/Ano link. Also it strikes me that Omtose was cult right from day 1 from the reread. He came across as a little scummy, was quite lynch happy.

@Shadow, interesting reveal sounds believable off the bat to me.

This leads me to a question though. Aren't we down a kill for two nights in a row now though?
Night 1 we had 3 kills and two Ivet left, and we know one was a Vig so we can presume 2 killers.
Night 2, we had 1 kill which was Serc, but we failed to lynch Rashan so 2 killers were active still.
Night 3, one kill and its the cult and turns out to be Vig? Down to one Ivet, so wheres the NKl gone?

If the guard went for the same person twice in a row, there's a chance they may have guarded the killer.
A number of other possible ways of course, healer etc.. but its interesting.

Sorry for not using multi-quote.
I think one of the kills on night 1 was a retaliationary kill: the one where the finder was slain which led to Tennes' reveal. I opted then that Quinn would kill the first person targeting him with a night action. Heavy stuff, but suited to a badass.

Now, the Ivet NK being gone is either because there were no 3 Ivets but 2 + symp (Serc?), and one of the two being superpowered Quinn who would account for more than a simple standard killer, especially if/when possessed.
OR the last Ivet can kill but he has been guarded or his target was healed last night (I don't believe in a BPed townie, our strength is in numbers after all).

[Tennes]

Korvalain, on Nov 14 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

Galain, on Nov 14 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

I went back to check, and what the hell? No-one was pressuring Omtose. Forget drinking, Ano was smoking something good too.

Only Telas gave him some heat, but Telas started the game with a shoe clenched in his teeth and a serious case of The Piss.

edit: cross-post, some heavy stuff to read, awesome!

I have also gone back and reread. I think Omtose was complaining about being faked symped by Ano or something.
Looking back its obvious to see a Rashan/Ano link. Also it strikes me that Omtose was cult right from day 1 from the reread. He came across as a little scummy, was quite lynch happy.

@Shadow, interesting reveal sounds believable off the bat to me.

This leads me to a question though. Aren't we down a kill for two nights in a row now though?
Night 1 we had 3 kills and two Ivet left, and we know one was a Vig so we can presume 2 killers.
Night 2, we had 1 kill which was Serc, but we failed to lynch Rashan so 2 killers were active still.
Night 3, one kill and its the cult and turns out to be Vig? Down to one Ivet, so wheres the NKl gone?

If the guard went for the same person twice in a row, there's a chance they may have guarded the killer.
A number of other possible ways of course, healer etc.. but its interesting.

there was my unfortunately incorrect vig on D'riss (stupid move...i know ...i know)
There was Vorax, my dog who got killed by an Ivet (which i suspect was an automatic kill because of the find on Quinn)
And then the killers kill.

Three kills...

[Meanas]

@Shadow, that is one hell of a convoluted reveal and I hope some evidence comes along to back it up soon..

[Tennes]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

I'm not sure I trust Shadow's reveal. He's claimed the one kill that took place and until someone, either of those he includes in his reveal, comes forward to offer some form of confirmation I feel he's about as likely to be the last remaining Ivet as he is to be a vig.

This is true

[Shadow]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 10:18 AM, said:

I'm not sure I trust Shadow's reveal. He's claimed the one kill that took place and until someone, either of those he includes in his reveal, comes forward to offer some form of confirmation I feel he's about as likely to be the last remaining Ivet as he is to be a vig.

Which is of course why I was among the first to switch to Rashan on day 2, despite me attacking Galain and getting people to vote on my case?
Believe me or not (doubt is good in Mafia), my reveal is true. Sadly, it's not going to pay dividends any time soon: at its earliest tomorrow night if the last Ivet was being guarded last night. I encourage both my partner and the potion concocting young lady to remain secret. One doubtful Thomas is not worth blowing covers for, especially not for the potion lady, and since I'm only a regular lover I'm expendable.

[Telas]

I'm happy to hold off pressuring you, Shadow, to see if your reveal does yield something a bit later down the line as it has the potential to do so. Just bear in mind that I don't believe fully believe you so IGMEOY.

This post has been edited by Telas: 14 November 2008 - 03:32 PM

[Tennes]

Weekend Break is on right?
I am going away and wont have any internet access till sunday evening the earliest.

[Shadow]

Telas, on Nov 14 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

I'm happy to hold off pressuring you, Shadow, to see if your reveal does yield something a bit later down the line as it has the potential to do so. Just bear in mind that I don't believe fully believe you so IGMEOY.

Actually, that's all I can ask for. I know my reveal isn't spectacular or (immediately) game breaking and will make anything I say questionable from now on as I may have ulterior motives for doing this. However, I also felt that those with regular, pro-active night actions now know a bit more, and that this may help them in the future. Those targeted by the mojo-lady will know that that part of my reveal is at the least likely to be true. Also, those looking to possess or recruit me, know that I have a partner who will be watching me closely, making it a lot harder for me to be impersonated or to change alignment due to being recruited.

So, by all means, watch me, and if you ever doubt me enough to warrant it, vote.

[Korvalain]

For me its reasonably believable off the bat and happy to run with it for now. If your going to lie and claim Vig, why make up a story which involves having two people able to cover for you? Both of who are still alive. Even if the partner or lady dies overnight we still have the other to back up his story.

@Meanas, yeah thats what I wanted to hear you defend against. After the reread I do see Anoms RPing a bit so your post does make some sense... starting to believe you a bit, but the trouble is I'm not sure who else to go for.

Anyway, I am off for the night, will be back in 8 hours or so and see how things are going.

[Meanas]

The thing that nags at me about Shadows reveal is that if Shadow is cult as are his friends, they can back this story up and killing of one of their own makes sense to protect themselves and help build up this reveal. Also the theory that the cult can only recruit once every other night makes no sense to me. So as I see it they have the number to pull this sort of thing off.

Now this is just a thought and as such I would like feed back on it, maybe I have miscounted or something, but I reckon the cult have the numbers to pull this off.

[Path-Shaper]

THERE WILL BE NO MODKILLS AS WEEKEND BREAK IS IN EFFECT, THE DAY AND NIGHT WILL RUN TO COMPLETION AND DAY 5 TIMER WILL BEGIN ON MONDAY NOON.

[Tennes]

Path-Shaper, on Nov 14 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

THERE WILL BE NO MODKILLS AS WEEKEND BREAK IS IN EFFECT, THE DAY AND NIGHT WILL RUN TO COMPLETION AND DAY 5 TIMER WILL BEGIN ON MONDAY NOON.

Thats all i wanted to hear
See you all on sunday then i suppose

[Meanas]

Unless something comes up to prove or disprove Shadow's reveal, which in itself is either true or a gutsy move by the cult as they are probably the only ones with the numbers to pull it off.

Vote: Ruse

Because his comment during the night really struck me as off and turning around and saying he was only 'looking at the bright side', really does not help.

Also here is a link Telas's case on ruse:
http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...&pid=469258
Which I am inclined to agree with as well

P.s. I can seem to get the post link code to work properly? Anyone willing to help with the format of it?

Edit: WTF??? Ok I clearly need more practice posting links! Also Sorry I seemed to have had a double post in one post

This post has been edited by Meanas: 14 November 2008 - 04:25 PM

[Meanas]

Okay! Seeing as everyone else seems to have disappeared, I am going to take a break, should be back in about 2 hours.

[Fener]

Meanas, you still around? I will be here for at least half an hour. Going to catch up now.

[Galayn Lord]

Hmm.

Remove Vote


It was sort of pointless for now, and PS never counted it anyways. I'm just as happy to go on weekend break, while very occasionally checking on what people are up to.

[Telas]

Meanas, on Nov 14 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

The thing that nags at me about Shadows reveal is that if Shadow is cult as are his friends, they can back this story up and killing of one of their own makes sense to protect themselves and help build up this reveal. Also the theory that the cult can only recruit once every other night makes no sense to me. So as I see it they have the number to pull this sort of thing off.

Now this is just a thought and as such I would like feed back on it, maybe I have miscounted or something, but I reckon the cult have the numbers to pull this off.

Actually hadn't thought of this possibility. It would be incredibly sneaky and hard to pull off. But just more reason to wach him.

Warning about the weekend. We can't just let our play tail off, from PS announcement I get the impression that we still have limited time left in the day and so need to keep working on a lynch.