[Galain]

Fener, on Nov 12 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

The case on Galain seems solid to me, because one can interpret it as Galain wanting to distance himself from a fuck up and at the same time not making too much of a scene about it. It fits.

I'm keeping my rants for spoiler heaven because I still keep the hope those who bring this are scum. Although the list is getting long.

What "fuck up" did Anomander do that deserved me apparently getting his ass lynched to protect "the rest of us"?

I mention he's symping Rashan (that was a mistake, I was refering the the time he was symping Omtose). He comes drunk and says "Galain you ugly avatar, I was not symping Rashan but Omtose. But are you psychic, cause I did you know I would feel like Rashan?".

Who does that incriminate? He's anwering to a post I made on thread about him, how is that a fuck-up offense worth me sacrificing him? If anything, it incriminates Rashan, which is what I thought at the time, and that was the argument I brought up and that (some) people agreed with for the lynch.

Now Shadow tells me he saw it as "how did you guess I would feel like Rashan (i.e. being drunk)", and it makes sense. It means we were lucky, that what I saw was not true, which is why I'm no longer too keen to follow the Rashan connection and prefer the Meanas one. But still this does not incriminate me - it's still an answer to what I post on thread.

Ridiculous. The problem is that Shadow uses this to remove pressure from Meanas, you use this to remove pressure from Rashan, and Rashan uses this because I think he's still hungover. I don't see the pattern. Although you can say all you want "It's Galain or X", if you don't vote X then this is all air. Shadow did this by talking Rashan Rashan Rashan then voting me.

[Fener]

Well it would seem the case on Meanas is a stronger one, as Emurlahn said, if he had problems with internet connection all day, he would have put the vote on Anomandaris, not telling everyone he was going to be back. Imo that reeks.

I'm not sure what to think about Rashan.

[Emurlahn]

I cant see at all how Shadows argument removes pressure from Meanas as they are totally unrelated beings and Meanas is still as suspicious to the rest of us as he was before. I can see how it may be an attempt to remove pressure from Rashan though.

[Ruse]

I'd be willing to vote for Galain if he's the only option at this point, but I would rather go for someone else. Maybe Meanas or Rashan, though to be honest, none of the cases are that strong right now.

The main issue with the galain case is that he brought up the drunk post more than once, at a time when most people were starting to move on. Sure, it could have been distancing, but distancing only goes so far. I mean, it seems like everyone had pretty much ignored what Ano had said, and would probably have forgotten about it in a day or two. Still it, could have been some kind of preemptive damage control, but pursuing it that hard was bound to get Ano lynched, which seems an incredibly risky thing to do. So I'm not 100% sold.

Anyway, I have to go out for a little while, see everyone later

[Galain]

Here's the sequence FFS, I don't see the need of a missing PM or no mystery as to why he's addressing me:

Anomandaris, on Nov 11 2008, 05:03 AM, said:

I think all you guys need to lay off Brittney I mean Omtose. He hasn't done anything to make anybody think he is scum.

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 08:17 AM, said:

The other one that tickles me is Rashan. He did panic a bit after minimal pressure from Telas, and this "leave Rashan alone" moment by Anomandaris was suspect. Yes, it's lame, but it's there and I don't see the point of it. Rashan "joked" about getting symped, maybe diffusing the thing by pointing out the obvious, maybe he was himself annoyed of his "buddy's" initiative.

Anomandaris, on Nov 11 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Surefoot Stout MGB For the win. goodtimes goodtimes.

shite even fucked up I'm pretty good looking, Galain now you have the lameerest avatar. Oh it was omtose i was a symping, you need to go back and reread that part me thinks. funny though are you phycic? how did you know i was going to feel like reshan. lol the bed is a calling. no votes for me. lets see what the morning looks like.

[Emurlahn]

Yeah that is the sticking point there, but he could have been trying to save his own skin by sacrificing his partner, as If brought up by someone else it quite clearly points at him (as shadow has said so I wont elaborate on all that)but by bringing it up himself and being the starter to getting Ano lynched he's managed to distance himself from the Ivets and throw doubt on the argument against him.
EDIT @ Ruse

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 12 November 2008 - 02:27 PM

[Galain]

Yeah, I always totally lynch my co-killers the minute they answer my posts on thread. Them fuckers should know better. Plus, I'm so awesome I can start playing once I'm the only killer left, the rest just drag me down.

Specially in this game, where proving you're not a killer automatically make everyone call you CI since there's no cult or possessed around.

/sarcasm in case, I wouldn't put anything past you guys.


edit: added "them" in front of "fuckers" to make sure no-one on thread think I'm talking like that to them.

This post has been edited by Galain: 12 November 2008 - 02:47 PM

[Shadow]

Actually, if I wanted to pull pressure from Rashan, why am I then advocating lynching him in most of my posts? My vote is on galain cause I put my money where my mouth is, but Rashan being lynched and coming up as anything but Ivet will make most people take a good look at Galain again, the other person involved with the PM.

Now, lastly, I noticed one other option. It may not be a misplaced PM in itself, but it may contain an answer to a PM: the 'are you psychic part?'. That seems bit more likely.

Anyway, that's enough from me on Galain/Rashan/Shadow for now, again.

[Galain]

Shadow, on Nov 12 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

Anyway, that's enough from me on Galain/Rashan/Shadow for now, again.

This "again" refers of course to a PM you and your co-killer were exchanging off-thread just now. You didn't say "that's enough from me on Galain/Rashan/Shadow for now" on thread so far, that comes out of nowhere.

[Emurlahn]

Just the maybe 4 other times he stated it earlier on thread,

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on Nov 12 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

Just the maybe 4 other times he stated it earlier on thread,

You attempt to use easily-verifiable simple logic will not sway me. My theory makes so much more sense I'm about to vote him, because that's the best lead I can think of for today.

[Serc]

Galain, on Nov 12 2008, 11:45 AM, said:

I don't give a shit about Shadow's "case" on me, although I start to realize I got lucky pushing for an Anomander kill based on a drunk post I probably misinterpreted.

That would make Meanas the one connected to Ano, more than Rashan. I used the "sorry real life" tactics often enough when it was convenient for me to disappear for a while. If it's true, then the bad timing sucked, but the game is young. If it's false, then we have another Ivet, or at worst a symp.

Shadow, does your case on me depend on the fact that you think I would push for a lynch on my own partner when he was relatively quiet on DAY 1 of a 22-player game? Or does it depend on the fact that Anomander's drunken post was actually a PM? I don't see anything else.

You keep stressing that there's 2 connections to Ano, Rashan and me, and now you use the fact that you want to lynch Rashan, which you don't think is connected to Anomander, to get me lynched tomorrow. You put Meanas way far down your list. That's the drop I need to

vote Meanas.

Galain, on Nov 12 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Yeah, I always totally lynch my co-killers the minute they answer my posts on thread. Them fuckers should know better. Plus, I'm so awesome I can start playing once I'm the only killer left, the rest just drag me down.

Specially in this game, where proving you're not a killer automatically make everyone call you CI since there's no cult or possessed around.

/sarcasm in case, I wouldn't put anything past you guys.


edit: added "them" in front of "fuckers" to make sure no-one on thread think I'm talking like that to them.

Vote Galain

Because there's something about these posts that just screams "my partners gone, I'm losing it, but trying to appear calm." I don't like the Meanas vote, either. Seems a bit wtf to me


Those three kills were unexpected. I think tellan may have been a vig. Or a modkill. Just because he wasn't willing to play.

[Telas]

Shadow, on Nov 12 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

Actually, if I wanted to pull pressure from Rashan, why am I then advocating lynching him in most of my posts? My vote is on galain cause I put my money where my mouth is, but Rashan being lynched and coming up as anything but Ivet will make most people take a good look at Galain again, the other person involved with the PM.

Now, lastly, I noticed one other option. It may not be a misplaced PM in itself, but it may contain an answer to a PM: the 'are you psychic part?'. That seems bit more likely.

Anyway, that's enough from me on Galain/Rashan/Shadow for now, again.

Firstly I really don't like the way you're calling Ano's posts "the PM". Secondly, Rashan getting lynched and coming up as anything but Ivet proves nothing about Galain except that he, and everyone else who votes Rashan, was wrong. What bothers me more is the way you seem to be trying to set up multiple lynches, if it were not possible that Rashan is scum completely separate from you I would be removing my vote from him. As it is my vote will stay while I continue to watch you.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, you have 31 hours and 30 minutes remaining.

18 players remain, 10 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

3 votes for galain (shadow, rashan, serc)
2 votes for meanas (galain, korvalain)
1 vote for rashan (telas)

Players not to have voted :- Emurlahn, Fener, Galayn lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes, Thyrllan

note - No players have been modkilled.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 12 November 2008 - 03:00 PM

[Serc]

Path-Shaper, on Nov 12 2008, 03:00 PM, said:

It is day 2, you have 31 hours and 30 minutes remaining.

18 players remain, 10 votes to lynch, 9 to go to night.

3 votes for galain (shadow, rashan, serc)
2 votes for meanas (galain, korvalain)
1 vote for rashan (telas)

Players not to have voted :- Emurlahn, Fener, Galayn lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Tennes, Thyrllan

note - No players have been modkilled.

Well, there goes that theory
Two kills and one vig then, I guess. That's a rather intimidating number in any case

[Galain]

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Vote Galain

Because there's something about these posts that just screams "my partners gone, I'm losing it, but trying to appear calm." I don't like the Meanas vote, either. Seems a bit wtf to me


Those three kills were unexpected. I think tellan may have been a vig. Or a modkill. Just because he wasn't willing to play.

You don't see where my Meanas vote is coming from? Seriously?

I'm not losing my calm per se, I'm just pissed. I had an important part in getting a killer lynched on day 1, and I'm not gloating or anything because the more it goes the more I wonder if I my reasons were not true and just got lucky.

But to read posts after posts that this can be explained by me distancing from a co-killer, which either insinuates I'm a paranoid 4-year-old girl or a damned bastard because I fail to see the "fuck up" Anomander made towards me that would cause me to flush him out, it gets annoying.

My main point is that this can be explained by scums trying all they have to save either Meanas or Rashan today, and sadly from the number of players parroting the ridiculous things they are saying it seems to be working, and this is veeeery depressing let me tell you. So I do react strongly, like I always do when I smell scum activity. That's the point of the game.

This post has been edited by Galain: 12 November 2008 - 03:06 PM

[Shadow]

Galain, on Nov 12 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Nov 12 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

Just the maybe 4 other times he stated it earlier on thread,

You attempt to use easily-verifiable simple logic will not sway me. My theory makes so much more sense I'm about to vote him, because that's the best lead I can think of for today.

Fun times. Seems you're out of options and trying a new tack.
You went from
1) 'vote Rashan cause he's mentioned in the drunk post' (sure, let's lynch Rashan, I'm cool with that) to
2) 'maybe I misread' (fair enough) to
3) 'it must be Meanas' (someone already called bullshit on that) to
4) 'Rashan is getting defended' (ehm, how? Did you see how I said again that I'm cool with lynching him?) to
5) 'I may vote Shadow' (counter attack, but I have yet to see a decent argument for it. As said, i posted 4 times already that I wanted more than just you and me arguiing over that drunk post and Rashan's meaning in it).

I hope you don't live in a country where you can carry a gun, cause I'm pretty sure we'd have lots of collateral damage next time you panic.

Incidentally, by doing as you do, you also leave any and all links from the drunk post behind you by taking this new course, which I personally find regretable as it is the best link we have: a known and identified killer leaving a message containing names: Rashan, Omtose and you as the person the message was directed at.

The sole thing I've done since the lynch, is calling attention to an alternate possibility and explanation for the drunk post involving the names in it. Some agree, some call it bullshit (Telas). As is within their right. Yet you have been particularly worried by it, and even now you try and set something up that should call attention away from my hunch that you're the target of the drunk post and that it was either a misplaced PM to you, or contained an answer to a PM you sent him, which you can only send if you're an Ivet yourself, or so it is reasonable to assume. That is all based on an answer to which no question has been posed on the game topic.

My current observation on the whole process is that you now think that you don't want Rashan lynched 'cause the result is going to further weaken your own theory and defense against mine, so wish you to divert attention from that lynch, as well. I dislike that: I can imagine that not only me, but most of the townies are going to be pretty unhappy if you are a townie but judge your own survival more important than following up the clues left by a confirmed killer.

And now, for the 5th time, I'll stand aside and let the topic run its way

[Telas]

Just a suggestion, don't follow it until a few more people agree. Could anyone who was a 1-shot vig who's vig is now used come forward, it may help make sense of what happened last night.

[Galain]

Shadow, on Nov 12 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

5) 'I may vote Shadow' (counter attack, but I have yet to see a decent argument for it. As said, i posted 4 times already that I wanted more than just you and me arguiing over that drunk post and Rashan's meaning in it).

Damn, I forgot my /sarcasm tag on those posts. You see ?

[Serc]

Galain, on Nov 12 2008, 03:05 PM, said:

Serc, on Nov 12 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Vote Galain

Because there's something about these posts that just screams "my partners gone, I'm losing it, but trying to appear calm." I don't like the Meanas vote, either. Seems a bit wtf to me


Those three kills were unexpected. I think tellan may have been a vig. Or a modkill. Just because he wasn't willing to play.

You don't see where my Meanas vote is coming from? Seriously?

I'm not losing my calm per se, I'm just pissed. I had an important part in getting a killer lynched on day 1, and I'm not gloating or anything because the more it goes the more I wonder if I my reasons were not true and just got lucky.

But to read posts after posts that this can be explained by me distancing from a co-killer, which either insinuates I'm a paranoid 4-year-old girl or a damned bastard because I fail to see the "fuck up" Anomander made towards me that would cause me to flush him out, it gets annoying.

My main point is that this can be explained by scums trying all they have to save either Meanas or Rashan today, and sadly from the number of players parroting the ridiculous things they are saying it seems to be working, and this is veeeery depressing let me tell you. So I do react strongly, like I always do when I smell scum activity. That's the point of the game.

I was more wondering about your reponse than actually lynching you, don't worry. It played on the "don't listen to those guys", but fair enough. It's satisfied me somewhat. And we will get nowhere if we fixate on two or three people all day.
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