[Hood's Path]

In for a while and going to get caught up. Not nearly as many posts as I feared...Grief must not be playing brb

[Hood's Path]

Hood's Path, on Nov 10 2008, 12:47 PM, said:

Telas, on Nov 10 2008, 11:30 AM, said:

For those trying to work out what triggers possession: You almost certainly won't work it out. If some planets align somewhere and you do manage to work it out it doesn't help you because you almost certainly won't know that you've worked it out. The only thing you can hope for is to notice anyone who's posting style changes at some point after a few people have died.

Next. I find it laughable that anyone thinks there is a single player among us good enough to even attempt hunting one kind of scum above another. All we should really concern ourselves with is finding scum (killers and cult both = scum), today especially since none of the truly fucked up roles have even come into action yet.

In conclusion: Stop the Role Distribution discussion. Stop trying to second guess the mods (this is DiBs we're talking about). Start trying to find scum like you would in a normal game. That is, at this juncture, the only thing that will help us.

Wow. Thanks for telling everyone else how to play and informing us of the ONLY thing that will help us win. I am just gonna sit back and let you dictate my play from now on as you obviously know what is best. Please let me know when you have determined which of the other 20 players is scum and I will vote for them.

In conclusion: Do what Telas says. Go blindly into Dib's mindfuck. Start playing like a sheep. That is, at this juncture, the only way not to win.

/end rant. I hate it when people try to tell me how to play. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and seeing how day one lynches almost always end in faliure I see no harm in role speculating/game mechanics conjecture.

I think this is the post that got Telas's duck feathers ruffeled (is that a word?) Anyway I later apologized, it just struck me the wrong way. Also, his aggresive behavior leads me away from him as far as day 1 scum goes.


One person who gave me a mini ping is Korv. A total of 3 posts basically saying nothing. I'll see if I can dig them up.

[Hood's Path]

Korvalain, on Nov 10 2008, 02:46 AM, said:

In as well. What books is the opening post based off? I may have read them but the names don't look familiar.

Korvalain, on Nov 10 2008, 07:07 AM, said:

One thing I don't get about the possession and people coming back thing. If someone who dies, then comes back, why wouldn't we lynch them for being dead then coming back to life? I mean isn't it going to be obvious if someone has been possessed or returned or is there something else going on? Like all this possesion happening in the Beyond?


Anyway off for the night, maybe someone whose read the books may have a clue without giving away Spoilers?

Korvalain, on Nov 11 2008, 03:03 AM, said:

I am back. Did a brief reread on what i've missed, quiet start so far compared to some.

Not going to bother voting Gamelon, while its a little strange to reveal innocent in your first post I don't think its lynch worthy even for Day 1. Strange though. Do we have any noobs playing? Didn't notice any in sign up. ALthough there's all those wussies who didn't want to put their name in the sign ups.

So a bunch of checking in and no real playing. It seems like there has been more of that than usual this game, but this just struck me as odd. After 32 I am loathe to let people lurk. *looks at mocker wherever he is*

[Tennes]

Liosan, on Nov 11 2008, 03:38 PM, said:

Tennes, on Nov 11 2008, 05:33 PM, said:

Ok I am back and caught up. A whole lot of nothing even for a day one. The cases so far are made up of spam and nobody has done anything really suspicious. Not even Gamelons PI reveal. Of course I don't really expect a game this complex to heat up till day 2 or 3. Right now I don't even have a top 3 suspect list.

I just love these posts. There's always a couple of people who jump in to complain, and then depart with a puff of indignation at our lack of willingness to do all the work for them..

What lack of willingness. You guys are talking about ducks someone who hasn't posted very much saying that they are PI. Which was what ever, cause no one trusts anyone. What else was talked about people who are suspicious over a bunch of spam posts. Give me a break. The person who I found suspicious and asked them how they knew something quickly found the post that supported them and so my suspicion was alleviated. Right now it is tough to tell if people are connected because they are making an effort to keep causual contact or total seperation. I am totally fine with putting pressure on people. But I do need more of a reason then they said that they are an townie. If I just put a vote on someone for no reason at all then I am obviously a scum later on and lynchable. I haven't seen a reason to put a vote on any one yet. But it is still early in the day.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on Nov 11 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

Day one lynches have hit scum on occasion - the asylum game springs to mind. The odds SEEM pretty good this game, but I'd still prefer voting for someone because of something they did, rather than going for a random because time is running out. So far nothing's really come up though

Something that I think will be interesting is the large amount of paired players in this game, scum and inno. I assume all three killers know about each other, as do the two cult and the lovers (if they were included).

I agree with this assessment.

[Hood's Path]

OK, 1 more quick observation here. Helpful+Joking+mid/low poster= hmmmmmmm. Its not much, but it is day 1 and in my notes I had marked that I was getting vibes from Meanas. So I will post them here. If anyone wants to comment fine. If not I will drop it, but this got my day 1 radar going.

CAREFUL THERE ARE BOOK SPOILERS IN THE FOLLOWING QUOTES

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 08:11 AM, said:

Hmmm.... a slow start for once

Ok to whoever asked about Quinn being unpossessable.
In the book, he got possessed and then at a later date scared the possessing soul into submission.

Helpful book knowledge

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 08:33 AM, said:

@Ruse: having read the book, I am inclined to believe that if Quinn gets possessed he will only get scarier!

My thoughts on the setup :

The Ivets will be the killers we are looking for. Dibs said that in the beginning this will be a Town vs Scum game.
So Town = Joshua and co.
Scum = Quinn and the Ivets

Not sure where Laton fits in here, because from what I remember he did not last all that long... So if he is the cult him and the town should have the same goals, stopping Quinn.

More helpful book knowledge

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Nov 10 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

Hello- Just checking in and reading up. Work's hell the first part of this week. I will read when I can, but the next couple of days my Posts will be on the lower side. Come wednesday though, It's ON!

oh no! He is making himself a target for the lost souls!!!!

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 09:11 AM, said:

oh btw:

Vote: Thyrllan

because he is not here yet or he is so inconspicuous I missed him

Joking and joke vote

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 09:17 AM, said:

@HP: You have it backwards, Laton was using Camilla's eyes!

Its part of being an Edenist, they link telepathically using a symbiote of some kind and in Laton's case its a special relationship where he has control over his clones/children

More helpful book knowledge.. (but thanks for the clarification there... i really did read it wrong )

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

@Tellan: The game has been going for what 9 hours?

Stop complaining! 120 posts is nothing!

Now who is up for lynching Grief?

more joking

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

OK maybe I can shed a little light on the beyond and how it affects you

Going by the book, you have the physical world that we all live in, then when you die, your soul is supposed to go through the beyond and then reach paradise. Now what happens in the beyond is that it just borders the physical world and as such those souls that are particularly clingy or are mentally damaged in some way, never move on, they just stay put and stare longingly back into the physical world. Also the beyond is a cold, isolated, desolate place and whenever a new soul pitches up and is unable to move on the others all gang up on it and rape it of its most cherished memories and then they all just stare longingly back into the physical universe.

The scene Dibs put up was just before the alien presence (the light the priest saw), decided to follow a soul to see where it went, this happens during one of Quinn's rituals and allows the first possessed to come through.

Now as I see it, when you get to the beyond, unless you are special, like maybe Ione and Joshua who are likely to just skip the beyond, it then becomes a popularity contest to see who gets back in. I also reckon that Quinn and co. will be the ones that allow the possessed to come through.

P.s. when I say the beyond is cold, isolated,... I mean that in the sense that there is no sensation, you have consciousness and a craving for warmth (Emotional energy) and thats it.

more helpful book knowledge

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 11:04 AM, said:

And if Grief isn't playing well then damn it!

more joking

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Nov 10 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Nov 9 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

Helpful Hints to be considered before playing.

1 -If you have a night action, please remember that all night actions will be posted within the beyond and so countless changes reduce the amount of players who could be taking that action. One per day is a sensible number, it also makes modding much easier.

2 - Please do not pm me spoilers that may damage your own faction they may be posted by mistake.

3 - Feel free to post me pms that people will think have harmed your faction but do anything but... (Lying to confuse the dead is a recommended tactic)

4 - The cult are not the possessed. Their pm's will not reach the beyond.

5 - For players with night actions, caution is the better part of valour.


12 - The beyond is where the people lynched or subject to a night kill go. Once a player has died they may return if chosen from the ranks of the beyond.

It looks like to me, once you get 2 or more dead people they can vote on who goes back. Based on what Dibs says about NA's going to the beyond and using it to hurt/help your faction I would hazard a guess that they can in fact choose who they possess. (though probably leaders like Quinn and Joshua are immune to possesion).

I wonder if you get possessed do you go to the beyond? Or are you dead forever. I would think, dead forever.

EDIT Forgot to comment on #4. So it also looks like Cult can communicate off thread? Or does that just mean that the people in the beyond are unable to see who is giving orders to recruit? *confusion sets in*

if you get possessed you are effectively overwhelmed by the possessing soul, which means you are technically still alive, just not in control of yourself, so I would agree that they probably do just die.

As for being immune, I fear the idea of a possessed Quinn. I mean he is scary in the book as a mortal, then gets a possessed's power and almost drags earth into another dimension......

Maybe its because he has read the books, and really is trying to be helpful.....

Meanas, on Nov 10 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

Sorry D'riss.
I will shut up now.

Now I know this probably means not a whole hell of a lot, and I would wonder if this raises anyone elses hackles. He hasn't said or done anything overtly scummy. But joking/helpful/mid to low poster seems an awefully safe place for scum to be sitting.

vote meanas

EDIT to put the spoiler warning at the top

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 11 November 2008 - 05:48 PM

[Hood's Path]

looks like no one is around to chat. I'll try to be back in a couple hours.

[Shadow]

Well, catching up after an 18 hour absence without web access has never been so easy.

I'm very much willing to see Telas make his self advertised nice analysis full of quotes, as I for one still know very little about this game apart from numbers, faulty maths and my own PM. What is kinda curious though is that Telas also was the author of this beauty:

Quote

For those trying to work out what triggers possession: You almost certainly won't work it out. If some planets align somewhere and you do manage to work it out it doesn't help you because you almost certainly won't know that you've worked it out. The only thing you can hope for is to notice anyone who's posting style changes at some point after a few people have died.

Next. I find it laughable that anyone thinks there is a single player among us good enough to even attempt hunting one kind of scum above another. All we should really concern ourselves with is finding scum (killers and cult both = scum), today especially since none of the truly fucked up roles have even come into action yet.

In conclusion: Stop the Role Distribution discussion. Stop trying to second guess the mods (this is DiBs we're talking about). Start trying to find scum like you would in a normal game. That is, at this juncture, the only thing that will help us.

It's post number 128.
Somehow, that doesn't mesh with this:

Quote

Grrr....
I had a whole big post typed out with responses to things that had been said in thread while I was gone. It was good, made some intelligent points and I even managed to keep it all polite and non-combative like. Then my fucking computer did a flip out on me and guess what, that post is gone. FUCKING GONE! And you know what? I can't be bothered to quote things again and write the nice replies again and whatever. So you can all play day one however you like, but don't complain when you get to the end of the day and have had a whole one bandwagon of note based on ducks and a noob error and still know nothing about the game mechanics.

I'm out for 15-20 hours. Hopefully I'll have calmed down a bit by then.

Italics are mine. Seems he didn't stick to his own advice, and did reconsider working out the mechanics, then not sharing them.
With the two posts, Telas has been making a one-hundred-and-eighty degree swing, and claiming results, knowledge and insight at the same time... which is more than I can deliver right now. So, as someone is still busy speculating, bring it.

[Tellan]

Woot, my second post out of a total of 288
Sorry for my lack of posts, I just can't seem to find time nor heart for this game, which is unusual. I won't go for a suicide, as my dignity's worth more than that, but don't expect much from me. *Sigh*

[Omtose]

I'm back from my blissful nap of blissfulness

HP, I don't see sharing book knowledge as "scummy"
that's just me though

Anomandaris' joking attitude is one thing, but there are limits to drawing attention to self. IGMEOY Ano, and if he doesn't get serious by tomorrow, he'll get my vote on day 2.

Now, we've got abot 5 hours left.
vote Tellan

due to him having one meaningless post. I'll go dig it up.

EDIT: oh, FFS!!!!!! (cross-post )

This post has been edited by Omtose: 11 November 2008 - 06:03 PM

[Ruse]

Doesnt look like much has happened since I last checked in, other than HP's case against Meanas. I'm going to be around for a couple of minutes, and then I'm going out. I'll try make it back before night, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to.

So no vote for me, none of the cases are really lynchworthy at this point, looks like it's gonna be another random day 1 lynch.

[Omtose]

sigh
dammit
Tellan, you'e practically beging us to lynch you
*checks if there's a jester role*

but if you're just gonna be one of those "posting to avoid modkill. Lynch me, plz!" type of people, you are (I hate to say this), at least 80% likely to be RI (from experience of previous games)
sigh
remove vote
in a game this complex, even a quiet live RI is better than a dead RI.

crap.... now what?

[Galain]

Anyone would like to interpret Anomander's drunk post in a way that doesn't basically mean "I'm scum and so is Rashan" ?

[Emurlahn]

Doesn't seem to be much to go on at this point to be honest, just Gamelons "reveal" of roleless innocent in his first post which was a bit strange, and the point that someone brought up ( can't remember right now ) about anomandaris maybe making a slip and blurting out something about him and rashan. I think at the moment that seems the most suspicious thing at the moment ( which isn't saying my to be honest) so unless something happens, I would be willing to vote for Anomadaris because of this.
Vote Anomandaris
Also how much longer have we got left, does anyone know?

[Omtose]

5 hours and 20 mins, thereabouts...

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on Nov 11 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

I'm back from my blissful nap of blissfulness

HP, I don't see sharing book knowledge as "scummy"
that's just me though

Anomandaris' joking attitude is one thing, but there are limits to drawing attention to self. IGMEOY Ano, and if he doesn't get serious by tomorrow, he'll get my vote on day 2.

Now, we've got abot 5 hours left.
vote Tellan

due to him having one meaningless post. I'll go dig it up.

EDIT: oh, FFS!!!!!! (cross-post )

Like I said, a weak case and its not like I don't appreciate the knowledge on the books (lord knows I felt so lost in the heros game cause I didn't watch the show) Just that I am helpful and funny vibe with no real attempts at playing the actual game. And like I prefaced the "case" its day 1 weak sauce.

[Mockra]

Here, but again, not for long.
I hate posting to avoid modkill, so i'll add my thoughts.

There seems to be something on anomandaris, so ive post checked him.
Cant really see much. Rather contentless, but I cant see anything that screams scum, though I couldve missed it, since I was just quickly browsing.
Although he seemed to be defending gamelon, along with telas.
Im not sure about Gamelons slip up. Seems like a noob mistake.

However, the question is, what kind of noob mistake.

A noob innocent trying to make sure people think he's RI, so that he survives/isnt lynched later, which he'd see as a waste to the team.
Or a noob killer trying to make sure people think he's RI early, so that he survives.

Edit:

Oh, and while joking is a bit contentless, it only really works day one, as after that, people expect you to post content.
Book knowledge is also helpful for those of us who haven't read the books, and it doesnt make me think he is any more scum or any more innocent anyway, as I make those judgements on oher things, and wont alter my thoughts one way or the other, so it is just useful, and harmless, for me.

Here for another few minutes.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 11 November 2008 - 06:50 PM

[Thyrllan]

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 03:21 PM, said:

Serc, on Nov 11 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

I just think it is silly discussing ppl being scummy when we could be discussing game mechanics, or just enjoying Day One.

And what exactly are your plans for day 2? Discuss who enjoyed Day One the most scummily?

Ahahahaaaaahahahaahah.

Tellan, on Nov 11 2008, 06:01 PM, said:

Woot, my second post out of a total of 288
Sorry for my lack of posts, I just can't seem to find time nor heart for this game, which is unusual. I won't go for a suicide, as my dignity's worth more than that, but don't expect much from me. *Sigh*

Right, man, you are sorely tempting me to vote you with this shit. Either play the game or fuck off, to put it bluntly.

As someone pointed out above, this behaviour of Tellan's is painfully reminiscent of an RI who can't be arsed playing cos he has no cool role... which pisses me off but makes me reluctant to vote for him. For now.

In the meantime - as I've already said, I think Gamelon is unlikely to be a killer hiding in plain sight by claiming inno on day one, so that leaves me with two people on my radar:

Telas, just for being antsy and disappearing. This is strange, but not particularly scummy, cos it achieves nothing for team evil if he's scum.

Anomandaris, for being flitty (i.e. pinging the playful/scum radar) and making strange comments about people being psychic while drunk (him, not them).

vote Anomandaris

I'm around on and off until night, and in all honesty I'd switch to Tellan for the above statement from him - seeing as how we usually (always) hit an inno on day one, I'd not object too much to it being one who can't be bothered playing.

XXX.

[Thyrllan]

Is it just me or has this game stopped? Helloooooooo?

Not much longer til night, surely

[Serc]

Seems it has We need to get a lynch today, or else were no closer to knowing anything