[Korvalain]

I am back. Did a brief reread on what i've missed, quiet start so far compared to some.

Not going to bother voting Gamelon, while its a little strange to reveal innocent in your first post I don't think its lynch worthy even for Day 1. Strange though. Do we have any noobs playing? Didn't notice any in sign up. ALthough there's all those wussies who didn't want to put their name in the sign ups.

[Galain]

I'm going to make a mini-case on Fener. On day 1, there's a tendency for the scum to play a little too friendly because it's a tough role to have.

There are exceptions, of course, but not that many, or most probably the aggressive scum is a symp.

Look at Fener's posts:

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

That book seems really cool. Definitely gonna read it at some point.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

Right now I feel the need to actually read the book before even playing, there's too much I am confused about, but I assume I will have to rely on you guys that know stuff about the story.
I am wondering about winning conditions for the cult etc. Do we go after the killers or the cult first?

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

I also am of the opinion that we can't really worry about the specifics until something actually happens. We need to decide who to go after first - it's not obvious to me who we should go after first, killers or cult.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Wow Meanas, that is really creepy - I definitely want to read that book now.

All friendly, asks questions instead of expressing opinions.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

It is always a problem with transferring a work of fiction into a mafia game - every detail is not guaranteed to end up on the game rules. We can only assume so much, the rest we have to try to figure out as we go along. My policy is that we lynch if we get a worthy lynch target, and day 1 that is always a sacrifice in the sense that it's the only way to get information, but on the other hand we don't want to push too hard in case it backfires. On day1 there's always pros and cons both, whatever you do imo.

Not sure what he means by the "backfire" part. If the scum push too hard to lynch an inno they can get suspicions? Why, yes

Then I skip a few math posts, only a few friendly comments here and there:

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

Omtose, on Nov 10 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

I am yet to see anyone do something suspicious enough to warrant a label "scum"
with a group of 20+ people, that in itself is suspicious,

Yes, lets lynch the bastards. All of them.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 11:38 PM, said:

Well Mockra, that is not any more crazy than any other day 1 lynches...and it's an idea we haven't tried.

Nah...

Then he goes on Gamelon, after a few have pointed that his first post was not the least scummy of them all:

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:09 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be ironic if we lynch Gamelon after he's come on, while before we couldn't lynch him?

But yeah, I'd like an explanation as to why you mentioned the RI Gam.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:25 AM, said:

We've indeed had worse day1 lynches. Why not start a train and see where it leads - if it's like water off a duck's back, then we can always switch.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:34 AM, said:

Well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck.

vote Gamelon

I didn't see anything between the first and last post of this sequence that would explain the switch from "let's see" to "vote".

Anyways, there's nothing there that screams "killer"! or "cult"!, just a general gut feeling that I've seen this kind of play before coming from scums

vote Fener

[Gamelon]

Off to work now (3 hours late) been in bed for about 14 hours. Masturbating mainly. Will try and contribute more on my return tonight though it a lot quieter than my previous games. Be a convenience for the scum to lay low today and wait for a lynch elsewhere. I am leaving my vote where it is and see what he posts today.

[Anomandaris]

Surefoot Stout MGB For the win. goodtimes goodtimes.

shite even fucked up I'm pretty good looking, Galain now you have the lameerest avatar. Oh it was omtose i was a symping, you need to go back and reread that part me thinks. funny though are you phycic? how did you know i was going to feel like reshan. lol the bed is a calling. no votes for me. lets see what the morning looks like.

[Liosan]

huh, it's been a slow day hasn't it? Well I trust it'll pick up.. Right now I don't see much in the way of groundbreaking happenings. I find the Fener case to be cute in its way, but at the same time something I could easily tag on to almost anyone. Sure, I might be a bit difficult here seeing that this is day 1 and all, but cases such as that is the kind of thing I'd make when evil and looking for something to do..

Telas strikes mas a bit too grumpy and generally unpleasant to be evil, so I think I'm altering my suspect list to Korvalain, Rashan and Galain.. Omtose is also up there. From these three I think Rashan is the likeliest candidate, mainly based on how he reacted to a little joke vote, and the feel of his posts if that makes any sense.

rashan

[Fener]

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 12:05 PM, said:

I'm going to make a mini-case on Fener. On day 1, there's a tendency for the scum to play a little too friendly because it's a tough role to have.

There are exceptions, of course, but not that many, or most probably the aggressive scum is a symp.

Look at Fener's posts:

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

That book seems really cool. Definitely gonna read it at some point.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 07:37 PM, said:

Right now I feel the need to actually read the book before even playing, there's too much I am confused about, but I assume I will have to rely on you guys that know stuff about the story.
I am wondering about winning conditions for the cult etc. Do we go after the killers or the cult first?

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

I also am of the opinion that we can't really worry about the specifics until something actually happens. We need to decide who to go after first - it's not obvious to me who we should go after first, killers or cult.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

Wow Meanas, that is really creepy - I definitely want to read that book now.

All friendly, asks questions instead of expressing opinions.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

It is always a problem with transferring a work of fiction into a mafia game - every detail is not guaranteed to end up on the game rules. We can only assume so much, the rest we have to try to figure out as we go along. My policy is that we lynch if we get a worthy lynch target, and day 1 that is always a sacrifice in the sense that it's the only way to get information, but on the other hand we don't want to push too hard in case it backfires. On day1 there's always pros and cons both, whatever you do imo.

Not sure what he means by the "backfire" part. If the scum push too hard to lynch an inno they can get suspicions? Why, yes

Then I skip a few math posts, only a few friendly comments here and there:

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 11:09 PM, said:

Omtose, on Nov 10 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

I am yet to see anyone do something suspicious enough to warrant a label "scum"
with a group of 20+ people, that in itself is suspicious,

Yes, lets lynch the bastards. All of them.

Fener, on Nov 10 2008, 11:38 PM, said:

Well Mockra, that is not any more crazy than any other day 1 lynches...and it's an idea we haven't tried.

Nah...

Then he goes on Gamelon, after a few have pointed that his first post was not the least scummy of them all:

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:09 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be ironic if we lynch Gamelon after he's come on, while before we couldn't lynch him?

But yeah, I'd like an explanation as to why you mentioned the RI Gam.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:25 AM, said:

We've indeed had worse day1 lynches. Why not start a train and see where it leads - if it's like water off a duck's back, then we can always switch.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 12:34 AM, said:

Well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck.

vote Gamelon

I didn't see anything between the first and last post of this sequence that would explain the switch from "let's see" to "vote".

Anyways, there's nothing there that screams "killer"! or "cult"!, just a general gut feeling that I've seen this kind of play before coming from scums

vote Fener

What I meant to do with my vote was to use it as pressure to see what happens. Why, something just did happen. Go figure!

The moment I see anything better, I'll switch. If you've seen scum playing this way, then I'm sure you've also seen alot of non-scum play like this.

*goes to read Galain's posts*

[Galain]

Anomandaris, on Nov 11 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

Surefoot Stout MGB For the win. goodtimes goodtimes.

shite even fucked up I'm pretty good looking, Galain now you have the lameerest avatar. Oh it was omtose i was a symping, you need to go back and reread that part me thinks. funny though are you phycic? how did you know i was going to feel like reshan. lol the bed is a calling. no votes for me. lets see what the morning looks like.

Well, if the Sun Of Darkness starts drinking, I can safely say we're all pretty fucked

[Galain]

Liosan, on Nov 11 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

I find the Fener case to be cute in its way,

Do we have a finger smiley?

:yellow:


edit: guess we don't

This post has been edited by Galain: 11 November 2008 - 12:54 PM

[Fener]

Lets see, Galain haven't really brought much to the table so far himself, so I am inclined to think that his mini case on me is his first try to actually bring something to the table. He says I have asked alot of questions, but so does he?

lets see his contribution:

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 07:42 AM, said:

The other strategy we could follow if we random-lynch would be to go for players who tend to talk to themselves in down time, such as Omtose and Barghast. Like this, if we're wrong and they're innos, then we decrease the chances they'll come back as possessed.

Time zone discrimination FTW!

Yes, that's much better than the duck vote. Someone give him a prize!

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 09:50 AM, said:

I'm still curious as to what kind of "awesome" post he could have concocted with quotes and sharp insights, that he feels so angry about having lost.

Try as I might, it's too early for me to come up with these kind of posts, so I'm not in danger of having them ruined by computer breakdowns.

^ His comment pertaining to Telas - before that he voted two times for Telas, supposedly jokingly. He seems to really dislike Telas. Why doesn't he try to make a case on him then?

And why is it too early for him to come up with brilliant posts? Don't want to bring attention to yourself?

Galain, on Nov 11 2008, 11:36 AM, said:

I'm going to

remove vote

I don't want Gamelon to become the sole focus of today, participation is moderate, which is normal since normal games' day 1 are usually the hardest to play, but I don't want a long silence followed by a last hour pile-up on him just because he has most votes.

How is Gamelon even close to becoming 'the sole focus of the day'??

Again, a vote for him or anyone is better than nothing, since it makes people start talking and participate. If Gamelon hadn't made that comment that started the whole duck walk thing, then we still propably would have been discussing possession or worse, the 1 in 4 chances of being scum or whatever...

Lets bring your cases people so we can get this game started for real.


Edit: Spelling

This post has been edited by Fener: 11 November 2008 - 12:57 PM

[Galain]

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Lets see, Galain haven't really brought much to the table so far himself, so I am inclined to think that his mini case on me is his first try to actually bring something to the table. He says I have asked alot of questions, but so does he?

lets see his contribution:

Yes, that's much better than the duck vote. Someone give him a prize!

There was no vote there, that was a (half)joke.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

^ His comment pertaining to Telas - before that he voted two times for Telas, supposedly jokingly. He seems to really dislike Telas. Why doesn't he try to make a case on him then?

And why is it too early for him to come up with brilliant posts? Don't want to bring attention to yourself?

I have nothing against Telas, my votes were joke votes.

Fener, on Nov 11 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

How is Gamelon even close to becoming 'the sole focus of the day'??

One of the reasons I've been spamming the thread is that the contribution is low for now, so if keeps like this for a few more hours, then deadline will get close and Gamelon is sitting there with 4 votes vs 1, and I don't want lame drive-by-voting by players who didn't do much else today.

[Fener]

Well yeah, then you sure are joking alot.


Edit: my argument stands, vote on someone is better than no votes. Doesn't mean we can't go looking for a better case.

This post has been edited by Fener: 11 November 2008 - 01:03 PM

[Rashan]

good, sorry bad morning all.
remind me toi never drink ever again.

jesus

thats all


on a quick catch up, i see liosan has plonked a vote on me, saying i over reacged to a joke vote, er, telas' vote wasnt a joke, mine as, telas' was bullshittery of the highest degree, acusing me of something or other, i forget.
i like how hyou pulled this pouta your ass, worried about those voegts poiling up on your buddy are you?

[Omtose]

seems everyone's voting on the "scum vibes" they get from other players.

fair enough it's a legit Day 1 tactic.
problem is, in my sleep-deprived state, i don't feel much
I'd like to hear more from telas who just stormed off into nowhere. If he has any alternatives to a random day 1 play, let's hear them
also at the end of a day if all fails, I am willing to vote Gamelon.

[Ruse]

Hmm, at least the thread has heated up a little.

Dunno what to think about the Fener vs Galain thing. Looks like day one jumping at ghosts to me.

So far the people who have been most suspicious are Telas and Anomandaris. Telas for being abrasive, and Anomandaris for 'joke' symping and continuously talking about how cool is av is. None of those things are particularly scummy. Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Omtose]

lol, like I said, Ano may well be a symp--that's the kind of behaviour i'd expect of one.
Telas seems TOO agressive t be scum--unless he's just trying to steamroll his way into leading the game. ANd that seems way too risky and uncalled for atm.

[Ruse]

Ano does seem the more suspicious of the two. Only problem is, he's not going to be around till tomorrow, so we're not going to hear much more from him and I'd rather not vote someone off who cant defend themselves.

[Liosan]

Rashan, on Nov 11 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

good, sorry bad morning all.
remind me toi never drink ever again.

jesus

thats all


on a quick catch up, i see liosan has plonked a vote on me, saying i over reacged to a joke vote, er, telas' vote wasnt a joke, mine as, telas' was bullshittery of the highest degree, acusing me of something or other, i forget.
i like how hyou pulled this pouta your ass, worried about those voegts poiling up on your buddy are you?

I don't really think you understand, but I'll let that rest until you sober up

[Liosan]

Ruse, on Nov 11 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

Ano does seem the more suspicious of the two. Only problem is, he's not going to be around till tomorrow, so we're not going to hear much more from him and I'd rather not vote someone off who cant defend themselves.

I'm not sure we should make that a reason for not lynching him though, if that is indeed what we decide to do. Anomandaris has had plenty of time to defend himself against the accusations thrown his way. There have been no new ones since he withdrew. To me it seems like he believes he can just joke it away and thus make us look elsewhere. Now that works at times, but him not being willing to respond in a serious fashion does not count in his favour I think.

[Serc]

Right: A) Fener could be scum. Mocker played a very simliar game in 32, asking questions, trying to lay low, being helpful.
However
That would be his playing style. We also saw the Dude do that early on, too. So its quite possible Fener is one of the semi-n00bs playing as they do.
Telas: Angry Telas is Angry. Now, I don't like defensiveness too much, because it means you have something to hide, but then again, some people play like that. Let's not judge on playing style just yet, boys. Although Im curious as to how he will react when some pressure gets put on him later
Anomandy, well, who knows. If someone would like to present a case, by all means do, but I have yet to see any real evidence of scummy behaviour.

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 November 2008 - 02:57 PM

[Liosan]

Serc, on Nov 11 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Anomandy, well, who knows. If someone would like to present a case, by all means do, but I have yet to see any real evidence of scummy behaviour.

(bold is mine) ..

Erm.. when has that ever happened in a game? let alone on day 1? Perhaps I am being difficult again, but I fail to see how you can possibly hope for something even resembling real evidence at as early a time as this.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 11 November 2008 - 03:09 PM