[Telas]

So no lynch and now we're at the mercy of the killer and cult. It appears that even if I had managed to get up at the crack of dawn to see the end of the day I wouldn't have been able to do much, makes me feel a little better.

Now to wait out night.

[Liosan]

there wasn't a week-end freeze until now? Huh, that's more than a little odd. Ah well.

@Korvalain - I don't really care about your reasoning for it. All that matters is what you do and how you play. And if you notice, the main part of the case against you is not that you're the lowest poster - that's just an added bonus.

[Ruse]

Cool, well I'm back, pleased to see I'm still alive. Quite a bit happened while I was away. First off - Shadow's reveal. I'm inclined to believe it at this point. Like Tennes' reveal, it's pretty convoluted and very unnecessary considering the situation. He could be cult/killer/possessed trying some weird gambit, but it's so risky and doesnt seem to achieve much. I'm sure whoever is a finder will investigate him tonight. It's been said before - the lack of the other kill is probably the most important piece of information, and the reason that Shadow revealed in the first place, from what I understand. Could be guard or healer, like everyone else, I'm hoping guard. I guess we'll know when morning breaks. Although there is also the possibility of another vig, so if there is a kill, it doesnt really prove anything one way or the other, unless the dead person is an Ivet.

Korv seems very sincere. His lack of content means I really havent gotten a read on him, so I'm kind of in two minds about him. I havent alt-guessed him either, but it seems a couple of other players have and the seem sure it's still the same person behind the alt as the beginning of the game, so at least he's not possessed.

The other thing that stuck out at me a little is Gam's comments on the Korv train, saying that he hadnt seen any apologies or excuses from Korv regarding his absence. I thought this was kind of weird, since Korv has apologised tons of times for being busy at work. It seems to me Gam was throwing his vote on a case that he didnt know anything about. Definitely raised him up in my suspect list. He apologised later and removed his vote, but it did stick out more than a little.

I think the results of tonight's actions are going to have a big impact on what happens today, I hope night ends soon.

[Shadow]

It was the guard-thing that led me to reveal, aye. Without that, it would just have been empty bragging and entirely unnecessary to begin with. Right now, it's still in the balance whether or not my reveal will pay off, anyway.
I'll be re-reading the entire game topic during the weekend, and got other stuff to arrange & do, so I my not be on as frequently as I've been in the past days. Will keep you all posted oany highly suspicious posts I come across, naturally.

[Path-Shaper]

Morning breaks with out fanfare, you all feel lovely and rested, as the hangovers slowly settle into a manageable morning. All the corpses that usually hang around, or lie aboput have been removed, and the day seems much brighter than usual, that red cloud not getting any closer or blocking out the sky like it seemed desperate today the day before.

No one has died.

It is day 5, you have fucking ages, like seriously timer doesnt start until monday at 12 noon, upon which point you will have 24 hours.

14 players still remain, 8 for a lynch, 7 for night.


no one has voted.

[Mockra]

Well, that kinda supports th guard theory.
Although its possible the killer held back to get guard reveal, and inno lynch.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Nov 15 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

Well, that kinda supports th guard theory.
Although its possible the killer held back to get guard reveal, and inno lynch.

It's a possibility. But there's still last night's missing nk. I think the possibility of a guard guarding the right person (especially if it's meanas) is much higher than a healer hitting the right person. Would a killer know he was guarded last night? Some games the mods tell people they've been guarded, others they dont. If he wasnt sure, it would be a risky move. I for one dont want a guard reveal. Even if we dont lynch the killer straight away, he's pretty much neutralised at this point. But I would like the guard free to try prevent cult, rather than being tied to one action for the rest of the game. Tough call.

[Shadow]

Another point is: if we park the guard to continue guarding the Ivet, but through whatever circumstances he ends up being possessed, vigged or lynched (stupid, cause he should reveal ), chances are the killer will be allowed to rampage freely again, and we're none the wiser, especially if the killer isn't someone we currently consider to be the killer.

A course of action could be to lynch the one we judge most likely to be the killer (imho Meanas). If CF then does not show Ivet, we can ask the guard to reveal, instead of going on a random lynching spree. If he does show Ivet, we have a hidden guard as our ace in the hole.

[Meanas]

I see we failed to get a lynch, disappointing, but on the upside, the lack of Night Kill does look good

@The Mods: A bad day at work has not helped me get into the best possible mood, so I am going to take this moment to point out that day ended an hour early!

Not that I think it would have made all that much difference, I fear there was a little confusion about the weekend freeze.

Also
@Korv: have you or have you not read the night's dawn trilogy?

About Gam, I also noticed that he failed to actually read Korv's posts properly
but then whoever it was that voted me, waited for a defence and then unvoted me also clearly did not bother reading my posts...

p.s. going back to see who that was...

Edit: ok it was Korv who did not read my posts properly. But I see I was mistaken, he did not in fact vote, just said he would

This post has been edited by Meanas: 15 November 2008 - 01:54 PM

[Meanas]

Shadow, on Nov 15 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Another point is: if we park the guard to continue guarding the Ivet, but through whatever circumstances he ends up being possessed, vigged or lynched (stupid, cause he should reveal ), chances are the killer will be allowed to rampage freely again, and we're none the wiser, especially if the killer isn't someone we currently consider to be the killer.

A course of action could be to lynch the one we judge most likely to be the killer (imho Meanas). If CF then does not show Ivet, we can ask the guard to reveal, instead of going on a random lynching spree. If he does show Ivet, we have a hidden guard as our ace in the hole.

So you are just going to lynch me just to be sure, while in the mean time the cult and possessed and the killer get to run around rampant?
For an inno you seem not be thinking all that clearly

[Shadow]

Since I already think you're a likely target to be the killer, there's nothing wrong with lynching you from my point of view.
Also, since the last two nights had no kills apart from my vig, I doubt the killer is running rampant right now.

Now, rather than sneering at what Ruse and me bring up, what would be your course of action, Meanas?

[Meanas]

Shadow, on Nov 15 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

Since I already think you're a likely target to be the killer, there's nothing wrong with lynching you from my point of view.
Also, since the last two nights had no kills apart from my vig, I doubt the killer is running rampant right now.

Now, rather than sneering at what Ruse and me bring up, what would be your course of action, Meanas?

look if you are set on lynching me, go ahead and vote, I think you are being a little single minded but then once someone is sure about something they tend not to let things go until proved otherwise or they get weaseled.

I just do not want to be speed lynched and I do not want to be the only person being looked at because then everyone gets on the train and no one gets any information. Some people have promised to re-read, I would like to hear from them.

Also, Ruse's only comment on the train against him, was I am 'glad to be alive'? No defence? No blinking at all? It's like he knew he would not get lynched, or felt ending up at L-2 was completely irrelevant.

I still do not like the way he reacted to thyr's death, but I will not vote until others have spoken up.

Edit: Just so Shadow can not claim I have not answered his question directly, I would like to use this weekend to let people talk and discuss things.

Edit2: moved the first edit to the end of the post, so that it makes sense!

This post has been edited by Meanas: 15 November 2008 - 02:10 PM

[Korvalain]

@Meanas, I haven't read the books at all, I didn't even realise the game was based off books till people started mentioning it.

So Night is over, no kills but as mentioned above, killer could have withheld to hope to draw out the guard. We're kind of left with where we were before. Meanas, Ruse or myself were the three main lynch prospects and I don't see that changing unless someone brings up some new info.

Since we have ample time, I think it might be a time for rereading and case building, there's a few people whose name don't get mentioned much, Fener for example I struggle to recall being mention at all. Liosan as well I think.
Will go take a little look at them at some point this weekend.

[Ruse]

Shadow, on Nov 15 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Another point is: if we park the guard to continue guarding the Ivet, but through whatever circumstances he ends up being possessed, vigged or lynched (stupid, cause he should reveal ), chances are the killer will be allowed to rampage freely again, and we're none the wiser, especially if the killer isn't someone we currently consider to be the killer.

A course of action could be to lynch the one we judge most likely to be the killer (imho Meanas). If CF then does not show Ivet, we can ask the guard to reveal, instead of going on a random lynching spree. If he does show Ivet, we have a hidden guard as our ace in the hole.

Yeah, I agree with this. Although to make the plan slightly more efficient and a little fairer, I suggest this. If the guard did NOT guard Meanas last night, then he should reveal, because there would be a lot of pressure on him to reveal tomorrow, and at least we dont lynch the wrong person. If he did guard Meanas, he should just keep quiet, so he doesn't get culted tonight. We wait for everyone to check in. If noone claims guard, then Meanas was guarded and we lynch.

We should also not make the mistake of assuming their is still a guard from here on out. I asked PS, culted players lose their NAs. Added to the fact that possessed players lose their abilities, there's every chance we could lose the guard at any time. Things could get very sticky if that happens. Since that person was actually the guard, there wont be any counterclaims if they reveal. Aah, I hate culted games. I sincerely hope we still have some finders end endgame, else this in going to be incredibly difficult for the innos to win.

[Shadow]

Meanas, on Nov 15 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 15 2008, 03:53 PM, said:

Since I already think you're a likely target to be the killer, there's nothing wrong with lynching you from my point of view.
Also, since the last two nights had no kills apart from my vig, I doubt the killer is running rampant right now.

Now, rather than sneering at what Ruse and me bring up, what would be your course of action, Meanas?

look if you are set on lynching me, go ahead and vote, I think you are being a little single minded but then once someone is sure about something they tend not to let things go until proved otherwise or they get weaseled.

I just do not want to be speed lynched and I do not want to be the only person being looked at because then everyone gets on the train and no one gets any information. Some people have promised to re-read, I would like to hear from them.

Also, Ruse's only comment on the train against him, was I am 'glad to be alive'? No defence? No blinking at all? It's like he knew he would not get lynched, or felt ending up at L-2 was completely irrelevant.

I still do not like the way he reacted to thyr's death, but I will not vote until others have spoken up.

Edit: Just so Shadow can not claim I have not answered his question directly, I would like to use this weekend to let people talk and discuss things.

Edit2: moved the first edit to the end of the post, so that it makes sense!

We have time. I'm in my reread right now, close to the day 1 lynch. First thing that struck me is the Serc-Anomandaris-Rashan bond on day 1... Serc can be seen symping them already, in hindsight.

[Shadow]

Ruse, on Nov 15 2008, 09:21 AM, said:

Shadow, on Nov 15 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Another point is: if we park the guard to continue guarding the Ivet, but through whatever circumstances he ends up being possessed, vigged or lynched (stupid, cause he should reveal ), chances are the killer will be allowed to rampage freely again, and we're none the wiser, especially if the killer isn't someone we currently consider to be the killer.

A course of action could be to lynch the one we judge most likely to be the killer (imho Meanas). If CF then does not show Ivet, we can ask the guard to reveal, instead of going on a random lynching spree. If he does show Ivet, we have a hidden guard as our ace in the hole.

Yeah, I agree with this. Although to make the plan slightly more efficient and a little fairer, I suggest this. If the guard did NOT guard Meanas last night, then he should reveal, because there would be a lot of pressure on him to reveal tomorrow, and at least we dont lynch the wrong person. If he did guard Meanas, he should just keep quiet, so he doesn't get culted tonight. We wait for everyone to check in. If noone claims guard, then Meanas was guarded and we lynch.

We should also not make the mistake of assuming their is still a guard from here on out. I asked PS, culted players lose their NAs. Added to the fact that possessed players lose their abilities, there's every chance we could lose the guard at any time. Things could get very sticky if that happens. Since that person was actually the guard, there wont be any counterclaims if they reveal. Aah, I hate culted games. I sincerely hope we still have some finders end endgame, else this in going to be incredibly difficult for the innos to win.

Fair enough.
We also should start voting only after the timer starts running again (monday, noon).

[Ruse]

Meanas, on Nov 15 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

Also, Ruse's only comment on the train against him, was I am 'glad to be alive'? No defence? No blinking at all? It's like he knew he would not get lynched, or felt ending up at L-2 was completely irrelevant.

Well, for one I was waiting for night to end. Two, noone else was around when I came on. I'm perfectly willing to defend myself some more, which I will prob have to do. It would have been silly to jump into the thread, guns blazing, with noone to talk to and every chance I wouldn't make it through the night. Yesterday I was reasonably sure I was going to be lynched. Unfortunately the case against me is one of interpretation, rather than definite facts. This makes it very hard to defend against. And I can see why Telas interpreted things the way he did, so I'm not going to make a huge fuss about the unfairness of it all and call you all idiots. If and when people put pressure on me, I will respond to it. Until then I'm going to keep looking for scum, and giving my opinions on how we should move forward from here.

[Telas]

I personally support a guard coming forward. I think the chance to remove the last of one of the anti-town factions in worth it. I appear to be alone in this view, but I thought I would put in my feelings on the matter.

I'm going to be busy over the weekend, but I will try to show my face from time to time. I agree that we shouldn't be seriously considering lynching anyone until the time has restarted. At that point my vote will go back onto Ruse (like a dog with a bone I am) though I could go for a Meanas lynch. I honestly don't see the merit in a Korv lynch though.

[Gamelon]

Ruse, on Nov 15 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

............

The other thing that stuck out at me a little is Gam's comments on the Korv train, saying that he hadnt seen any apologies or excuses from Korv regarding his absence. I thought this was kind of weird, since Korv has apologised tons of times for being busy at work. It seems to me Gam was throwing his vote on a case that he didnt know anything about. Definitely raised him up in my suspect list. He apologised later and removed his vote, but it did stick out more than a little.....

Okay, Ruse. I have a challenge for you: Quote all of Korvalain's apologies and explanations of his low commitment to this game. You say there are tonnes and my inability to try and them makes me look suspect in your eyes.

Here is what I found:

Post (4)

Quote

Sorry I haven't been around. Had a lot of work on and haven't had a chance to read or post.
Caught up now more or less, so thats nice work on Ano.

Post (7)

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I for one are guilty of not contributing or putting things forward, I think this is post number 6 or so. I apologise just been busy unfortunately.

Post (14)

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A couple people brought up me up as well. I can't say I disagree really, I apologise, I have been busy and haven't had a chance to post the first few days as much as I would have liked really one or two was the best I could do. I managed a little yesterday and over the weekend I will hopefully have a little more time and be able to post more. I am not trying to hide away, being the bottom ranked poster is hardly the best play to try and hide, I am just busy sadly.

(Missed this one on original scan).


I only included the actual apology clause from each quote so do not believe they were this obvious to recall. So when you say he has apologised tonnes of times you actually mean 3 times out of 21 posts. Oooh forgive me for not recalling them. The truth is they were not the principle aspect of my case on him in any case. My case was based purely on his post count due to a recent bad experience. I think we all know that there is a risk of being lynched for low contribution and we have to accept this.

I only apologised for not recalling his apology posts. I would still vote for a lynch on him for his low post count.

It is becoming a common theme for people who are suspect, they all seem to drop my name in their posts I guess in the hope that people might look at me again. I am confident that I will be lynched if there is an absense of good cases. However, there remains some pretty good cases on a few people still in the game.

Good luck, Ruse.

[Ruse]

Gamelon, on Nov 15 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

Ruse, on Nov 15 2008, 11:35 AM, said:

............

The other thing that stuck out at me a little is Gam's comments on the Korv train, saying that he hadnt seen any apologies or excuses from Korv regarding his absence. I thought this was kind of weird, since Korv has apologised tons of times for being busy at work. It seems to me Gam was throwing his vote on a case that he didnt know anything about. Definitely raised him up in my suspect list. He apologised later and removed his vote, but it did stick out more than a little.....

Okay, Ruse. I have a challenge for you: Quote all of Korvalain's apologies and explanations of his low commitment to this game. You say there are tonnes and my inability to try and them makes me look suspect in your eyes.

Here is what I found:

Post (4)

Quote

Sorry I haven't been around. Had a lot of work on and haven't had a chance to read or post.
Caught up now more or less, so thats nice work on Ano.

Post (7)

Quote

I for one are guilty of not contributing or putting things forward, I think this is post number 6 or so. I apologise just been busy unfortunately.

Post (14)

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A couple people brought up me up as well. I can't say I disagree really, I apologise, I have been busy and haven't had a chance to post the first few days as much as I would have liked really one or two was the best I could do. I managed a little yesterday and over the weekend I will hopefully have a little more time and be able to post more. I am not trying to hide away, being the bottom ranked poster is hardly the best play to try and hide, I am just busy sadly.

(Missed this one on original scan).


I only included the actual apology clause from each quote so do not believe they were this obvious to recall. So when you say he has apologised tonnes of times you actually mean 3 times out of 21 posts. Oooh forgive me for not recalling them. The truth is they were not the principle aspect of my case on him in any case. My case was based purely on his post count due to a recent bad experience. I think we all know that there is a risk of being lynched for low contribution and we have to accept this.

I only apologised for not recalling his apology posts. I would still vote for a lynch on him for his low post count.

It is becoming a common theme for people who are suspect, they all seem to drop my name in their posts I guess in the hope that people might look at me again. I am confident that I will be lynched if there is an absense of good cases. However, there remains some pretty good cases on a few people still in the game.

Good luck, Ruse.

Ok, I also looked back and those are the only times he actually apologised. Ended up reading into the heroes game and getting really confused. But he did apologise relatively early in the game, and started almost all his posts with 'finally caught up' or something similar, so that fact that he's been busy with RL stuff has stuck in my mind whenever I've looked at him. So when I was catching up and saw your 'he's never given a reason for being away' comment, the first thing I thought was that he had and wondered why you would say something like that.

So sure, 3/21 isnt much, but it is there, and took me less than two minutes to check. The fact that you didnt do the same (you claim not to know how to find a members posts. If that's true then fine) before making a statement like that suggested youy were trying to add fuel to a fire and move a lynch forward without caring to much about the facts. But like you say, there are other reasons why Korv was a candidate for that day, so maybe you were a little misinformed and said something stupid.

The other thing is that's a pretty hectic defense against one statement. I didnt vote for you. I didnt try build a case and get people turned against you. I just noted something unusual and moved on. I've done the same for a couple of other people, simply to point out things I thought were suspicious. And your response was very agressive. I understand if you're inno, then it's prob irritating to see your name come up so often. So let me phrase it this way. You're not my biggest suspect at this point. I made an observation about something I had noted. I got a response from you, which now gives everyone on thread a little more information to work with.