[Volkh]

oh apt i didn't mean directly. the chains kept the souls trapped to the wagon and kept it moving and that is what kept the gate there powerless.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

With the releasing of souls from Dragnipur (assuming it gets broken),

Spoiler

which it did

, will those killed return to the mortal plane, or be disembodied souls?

[sword of the Eleint]

The vapor chains are a normal effect of the unsheathing of Dragnipur, a "bleed of power." (pg.721) Rake had suppressed them before, "Reigning in that bleed of power had been an act of mercy, to all who might witness it, who might comprehend it's significance." (pg.721) Essentially they are the physical manifestation of the warren of Dragnipur in the mortal plane. Pretty sick if you ask me.

[Silencer]

Yes. Not to mention he wasn't unleashing it to douse the fires - it was so he wouldn't be too strained already when he killed Hood.

The interesting thing, in the quote above, is WHAT is that significance. Everybody already gets the fear/that it's something bad. So, I was thinking...perhaps the reason the sword is so heavy, and all the chains and such...is because Rake has to aid in pulling the wagon.

[Jude]

interesting theory, silencer, but I still think it's mostly just because of the amount of souls and the power that comes with those souls that exists within the sword. It's got a whole world in there that he has to carry around. Afterall, when he killed hood it got alot heavier, and killing hood would have had no effect on how much effort he would have to exert to help pull the wagon. It's a proportion thing. If it hadn't gotten heavier with hood going down, that would be a sound theory.

[Osric]

Yes it seems more likely that it's heavy because of the pressure from new souls, I imagine hood is pretty powerful, so he would be more pressured. I dont think Draconus would have made it so that the sword wielder has to help pull the wagon.. After all, practically it would make the sword harder to use than a normal sword, more of a disadvantage than an advantage.

Maybe Hood is just really fat, I dunno.

[Lisheo]

Hood just has... presence. He sucks the life from people where he walks, so having him inside your sword(Which is already brimming with powerful souls and is difficult to carry) is gonna make a difference.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

You saying that the more souls it has in it, the heavier Dragnipur is to the wielder?

[Hinter]

Ain't_It_Just_, on Nov 7 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

You saying that the more souls it has in it, the heavier Dragnipur is to the wielder?

That's how I read it. As soon as he kills hood the new weight staggers him, almost bringing him to he knees.

[Lisheo]

No. Because Dragnipur can only increase in souls, remember, the fallen don't die, they get tossed onto the wagon, so there is a constant increase in souls. It's the fact that there are loads of souls that aren't pullling their weight, and hence the strain is on the bearer to make him/her relieve it by killing more souls, not necessarily powerful ones, but more. It's like a natural mechanism, like a stomach rumbling when hungry, I guess.

[Volkh]

i like how you stated that man.. it makes alot of sense to think of it in that way!!!

[Jude]

it DOES make alot of sense, except for the fact that it still got alot heavier when hood got in there. Why would hood, a new badass totally all-powerful super lord of death, make the sword heavier upon his fresh arrival if the strain was in proportion to the fallen on the wagon? I'm still thinking it only has to do with what and how many souls are in the sword, regardless of what state they're in. That said, the sword must just have kept on getting heavier and heavier for Drac and then Rake until it was broken.

[Volkh]

Well the souls that entered with hood were not chained. maybe there would have been a diffrent effect if they had been. It seemed to me that the weight was do to the ammount of souls that had just entered the sword and that it was kinda like an adjustment period that the sword became so heavy.

[Padnul]

Seems to me that indeed the "power" of the souls combined in dragnipur made it so heavy. What we don't know what happens when those souls who got "eaten/destroyed" by the chaos army. Did they make dragnipur lighter? Not that it really matters since when chaos wins you'll just have the end of existence strapped to your back and that just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Another thing that's got me wondering. How did Draconus get Burns hammer, was Caladan Brood already in possesion of it when Draconus started crafting dragnipur? If so I find it hard to imagine he lent it out to Draconus because Burn quite unhappy with the hammering as described in the book. So I think it's safe to assume that Caladan or some other Burn groupie didn't give it up willingly.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Hinter, on Nov 7 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

Ain't_It_Just_, on Nov 7 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

You saying that the more souls it has in it, the heavier Dragnipur is to the wielder?

That's how I read it. As soon as he kills hood the new weight staggers him, almost bringing him to he knees.

I thought he was just being like the T'lan imass in MoI and waiting for Trav.

[Jude]

He was waiting for Trav. He was also staggered by the wait of Drag. Haha. Seriously though, I can't remember the passage word for word but I'm certain that there was strain there on Rake's part. AND that the strain was stemming from Hood entering the sword

[Silencer]

Yeah, he was weighed down by Hood's presence in the sword.

He was waiting for Traveler, but that wasn't the reason he sank to his knees.

[Shadowthrone]

I got the feeling that Hood brought with him the presence of all his "dead". Maybe not but that would explain why it got so much harder for Rake.

[amphibian]

Shadowthrone, on Nov 11 2008, 01:28 AM, said:

I got the feeling that Hood brought with him the presence of all his "dead". Maybe not but that would explain why it got so much harder for Rake.

Hood by himself was a huge weight inside Draconus. The armies made it heavier.

Rake himself was a huge weight inside Draconus and he didn't go in with an army.

"One really big guy stepped into a boat. The boat leaned way over to the side, but settled down. The huge bunch of ducks following him got onto the boat too. The boat leaned a bit to the side and then settled down again. Another really big guy got onto the same boat and the boat leaned way over to the side again. There were no ducks following the second really big guy, so that means that the ducks have nothing to do with the boat leaning when the really big guys got on."

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I was reading TtH today and I read a passage in which Rake+Endest Silann were talking. He put Dragnipur into a crevice and it groaned. Silann made a remark on it "not being bale to take the weight of Dragnipur." Proves what Hinter said. Or whoever.