[Emurlahn]

In respons to Fener and my promise to dig up the quotes I refered to

Fener, on Oct 28 2008, 02:27 PM, said:

Seemed to be a genuine mistake to me. You seem very agressive Serc and ringing a very loud bel on day 1. I dunno I dont want to Alt guess but I am now.

It was a genuine mistake. But when Serc pointed it out, and complained -rightly so- that Mockra edited it after Serc commented on it (which is a big nono btb) Mockra exploded. I didn't se half as much agression and yelling from Serc's side of the table as I did from Mockra's. Yet, you defend Mockra here claiming Serc to be the agressive one.

Fener, on Oct 28 2008, 03:01 PM, said:

Lol at Serc fishing in a puddle of piss like a simpleton with a plant cane and a length of wool. I just thought you were a going on like a tool. You want to go to night and then you want to stay at day. You want to be recruited. You want to oust potential recruiters. You are not going on like somebody who is roleless. Factionless maybe?? Sylar/scum. Day one. lol

Then there's this post. Serc is the agitator, the agressive bad guy. Mockra is just a poor little boy caught up in Serc's anger.

Fener, on Oct 28 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

Seems to me that you both exploded over a small issue. Your explanation is sound.

Then you moderate yourself some, but it's still odd to equate Mockra's way over the top respons to Serc's anoyance. Serc didn't start raising his metaphorical voice until after Mockra started yelling obscenities.

This is why I've tied you two together. There's been nothing since to disuade me of this

[Serc]

personally if they are in the company feel free to recruit or capture me i wont tell your going to do it and will pretend is till have my powers and point every other direction

well i need to try and win guys, lets be honest.

emur - the company seems like the best cahnce toplay and win, why you so against them?

[Emurlahn]

Barghast, on Oct 29 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

You seem to want the company to lose one of its members there, which might not be a good thing. They ain't scum after all, it's not black and white in this game... Gunning for joining Peter or Sylar? Or do you have your own winning conditions, Emur?

My wish to lynch Fener or Mockra because I think them company is not because I particularly want to harm the company. Rather I think we need some kind of information here. Operating like this, almost purely in the dark grates on me. I think we do need something concret, and the cf of a lynch provides us with just that. Do not underestimate small tibits of information in a game where we have next to none.

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 02:46 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

@Serc - Also, what do you think of my suggestion to lynch Fener or Mockra? I don't see any better suggestions for lynches as of yet.

Oh yeah, I noticed someone suggesting we should then just lynch Serc. I disagree. We know at this point already what a lynch of Serc would tell us. And I feel quite comfortable knowing the provisionals of some of you bastards.

The problem you have here is that you seem to be stuck in normal game mode.
Just because Fener stood up for me firstly doesnt make him...what is it supposed to make him then anyways...my erm...SYMP?
Secondly even if we are connected, im not saying we are, but even if we are connected, on what grounds do you want to lynch one of us for?
Who is it the regular folk want dead?...sylar?...peter?...
You think that i am sylar? peter....that would make fener who exactly?

What are you getting at?

It seems to me you are just looking for a lynch and are using this imaginary connection you have "found" (more like made up) to want to get a lynch on seemingly anyone?
Explain why we would be a safe lynch...is there even such a thing as a safe lynch?

I do not think I am stuck in regular mode, though indeed it is possible some remnants remain. As for your little made up comment, it's cute but completly pointless and quite unhelpfull. I've not voted for any of you, have I? Why is that? Because I want to hear other people's opinions, and I want us to discuss the game, not just the roles and Serc's pictures.

You just seem way to tensed up for your own good.

[Emurlahn]

Serc, on Oct 29 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

emur - the company seems like the best cahnce toplay and win, why you so against them?

As I've stated many times already, I do not target the company because I want to harm the company. I go for the company because a lynch there is "safe". We need to stop roling around in the mud of possible roles and potential win conditions and questions of metaphysics and instead discuss how we wish to push this game forwards. That's what I'm trying to do even though you people can be incredibly thick headed

[Serc]

plus the game doesnt even start until tomorrow lunch time so we are really going through the motions atm.

[Serc]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 02:06 PM, said:

Serc, on Oct 29 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

emur - the company seems like the best cahnce toplay and win, why you so against them?

As I've stated many times already, I do not target the company because I want to harm the company. I go for the company because a lynch there is "safe". We need to stop roling around in the mud of possible roles and potential win conditions and questions of metaphysics and instead discuss how we wish to push this game forwards. That's what I'm trying to do even though you people can be incredibly thick headed

yeah you did answer that after i posted, cross posted should i say. And i agree we need info, but they could easily be a different pair, we are wrong quite often in this game. I doubt one of them is sylar though, so as safe lynches go you may be right, but they could be any pair and as i only know for certain my own pair, its risky to take them out. Meanas as well came in on the side of mockra, much later on after the fact and seemed intent on removing me for simply being me. SO i would vote them off on OMGUS basis more than anything else and the fact that they are likely to be one of those people i painted as they seem the most put out.

Mockra and fener dont seem annoyed that i can post provisional so it doesnt seemt o me that they are affected by it yet.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 02:50 PM, said:

Serc, on Oct 29 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 01:31 PM, said:

Serc, what if you just refuse to take your drugs? Or better yet, as long as you do not post the pictures, and do not allude to information you've recieved, you should be able to make cases and discuss as you wish, right? if not, I'd pray to be captured if I were you

i cant talk about or discuss anything i hear, which as i asaid earlier makes me totally fecking useless as a player. i probably wont be killed, and i wont be captured so i am going to lose because i cant join anyone.

as far as day 1 lynches go if we dont want to lynch sylar we go for who he wants as its not him. i personally think mockra is company and meanas - who either mistook me for mockra or purposefully wants to remove me from the game so his targets arent known. Personally i think meanas is one of those i painted.

so that makes Meanas a possible Sylar. Well, Mockra and Fener then. I agree that Mockra seems a good candidate for company, and I still believe that Fener is his partner. So either of them is a good lynch in my opinion. But lets for a second presume that Fener and Mockra know each other and are in the company. Then they'll either be Bob/Elle, or Noah/Haitian. I'd like to get the Haitian out of the way just to save me from the possibility of losing an entire day to memory wipe (though that might actually make it possible for me to get some reading done). anyways, my point is that they should be a safe lynch and that we'll get quite a bit of information out of it.

I still dont see how you can come to these conclusions from yesterdays altercations with serc.
I was just in a pissy mood and took it out on serc and his lofty attitude towards me, fener found the whole thing just to be a simple mistake WICH IT WAS and said as much, now you keep beating this into everyones head and its utter bullshit. It actually has nothing to do with this game at all. It has to do with general game play.
I could say the same about you and Serc...you guys had a nice circle jerk at the beginning of the day. So what!!... im not going now fabricate connections and shit just to get a lynch.
Im not even sure we should bloody lynch!! And thats all you can talk about!

You want to get rid of the haitian? He might be the only guy that can stop sylar for all we know. I find all this highly suspicious...or just plain daft.

[Ruse]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 09:34 AM, said:

Ruse, on Oct 29 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

so night one hunt target, Does he get to locate/find who he is looking for?

night two kill/absorb

If youre thinking he can search for a specific character independent of alt, then no. If that was the case, Galain would not turn up in the provisional I think..

I was questioning the use of the word hunt.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

Serc, on Oct 29 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

emur - the company seems like the best cahnce toplay and win, why you so against them?

As I've stated many times already, I do not target the company because I want to harm the company. I go for the company because a lynch there is "safe". We need to stop roling around in the mud of possible roles and potential win conditions and questions of metaphysics and instead discuss how we wish to push this game forwards. That's what I'm trying to do even though you people can be incredibly thick headed

Or its because you are one of the characters the company need to capture!

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

Serc, on Oct 29 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

emur - the company seems like the best cahnce toplay and win, why you so against them?

As I've stated many times already, I do not target the company because I want to harm the company. I go for the company because a lynch there is "safe". We need to stop roling around in the mud of possible roles and potential win conditions and questions of metaphysics and instead discuss how we wish to push this game forwards. That's what I'm trying to do even though you people can be incredibly thick headed

Or its because you are one of the characters the company need to capture!

Or perhaps I'm just telling the truth

[Emurlahn]

Ruse, on Oct 29 2008, 03:12 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 09:34 AM, said:

Ruse, on Oct 29 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

so night one hunt target, Does he get to locate/find who he is looking for?

night two kill/absorb

If youre thinking he can search for a specific character independent of alt, then no. If that was the case, Galain would not turn up in the provisional I think..

I was questioning the use of the word hunt.

ah, my appologies then

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 02:46 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

@Serc - Also, what do you think of my suggestion to lynch Fener or Mockra? I don't see any better suggestions for lynches as of yet.

Oh yeah, I noticed someone suggesting we should then just lynch Serc. I disagree. We know at this point already what a lynch of Serc would tell us. And I feel quite comfortable knowing the provisionals of some of you bastards.

The problem you have here is that you seem to be stuck in normal game mode.
Just because Fener stood up for me firstly doesnt make him...what is it supposed to make him then anyways...my erm...SYMP?
Secondly even if we are connected, im not saying we are, but even if we are connected, on what grounds do you want to lynch one of us for?
Who is it the regular folk want dead?...sylar?...peter?...
You think that i am sylar? peter....that would make fener who exactly?

What are you getting at?

It seems to me you are just looking for a lynch and are using this imaginary connection you have "found" (more like made up) to want to get a lynch on seemingly anyone?
Explain why we would be a safe lynch...is there even such a thing as a safe lynch?

I do not think I am stuck in regular mode, though indeed it is possible some remnants remain. As for your little made up comment, it's cute but completly pointless and quite unhelpfull. I've not voted for any of you, have I? Why is that? Because I want to hear other people's opinions, and I want us to discuss the game, not just the roles and Serc's pictures.

You just seem way to tensed up for your own good.

Tensed up?

You are advocating a lynch on myself on no other grounds than someone felt a QUOTE MARK mistake i made was just an honest mistake. It has nothing to do with this game it has to do with how to play the game in general.
You keep at it enough and people are going to start believing it, simply becasue you keep saying it over and over. So i have a right to stand up and tell you, and everyone, that you are full of shit and seem to be lynch hungry.
Yes you have not voted for me, but you have stated that i am a "SAFE" lynch at least 6 times....am i to let this now slide, and let you keep putting this nonsense into peoples heads untill you place your vote? (wich will probably be the hammer vote no doubt)
So yes my "made up comment" comment stands...this connection you see is nothing more than you deluding yourself.
you are probably the type of person that screams symp every time some one sticks up for some one else.

edit - grammar

This post has been edited by Mockra: 29 October 2008 - 02:35 PM

[Ruse]

Me thoughts at the moment,

I don't think once this day actually starts we will get a lynch. There is to much division as too what people want for endgame at this point.

I see people looking for Peter to save them(I will include myself in this group)

We have people that want a company win.

We have people that want Sylar, Peter, and Clair dead so they can win from some unknown winning condition.

I think these first few days we just have to muck about, hint and hope the group we want to be a part of picks us up.

That's my 1.5 cents. I'm holding the other .5 cent in reserve.

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

Mockra, on Oct 29 2008, 02:46 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

@Serc - Also, what do you think of my suggestion to lynch Fener or Mockra? I don't see any better suggestions for lynches as of yet.

Oh yeah, I noticed someone suggesting we should then just lynch Serc. I disagree. We know at this point already what a lynch of Serc would tell us. And I feel quite comfortable knowing the provisionals of some of you bastards.

The problem you have here is that you seem to be stuck in normal game mode.
Just because Fener stood up for me firstly doesnt make him...what is it supposed to make him then anyways...my erm...SYMP?
Secondly even if we are connected, im not saying we are, but even if we are connected, on what grounds do you want to lynch one of us for?
Who is it the regular folk want dead?...sylar?...peter?...
You think that i am sylar? peter....that would make fener who exactly?

What are you getting at?

It seems to me you are just looking for a lynch and are using this imaginary connection you have "found" (more like made up) to want to get a lynch on seemingly anyone?
Explain why we would be a safe lynch...is there even such a thing as a safe lynch?

I do not think I am stuck in regular mode, though indeed it is possible some remnants remain. As for your little made up comment, it's cute but completly pointless and quite unhelpfull. I've not voted for any of you, have I? Why is that? Because I want to hear other people's opinions, and I want us to discuss the game, not just the roles and Serc's pictures.

You just seem way to tensed up for your own good.

Tensed up?

You are advocating a lynch on myself on no other grounds than someone felt a QUOTE MARK mistake i made was just an honest mistake. It has nothing to do with this game it has to do with how to play the game in general.
You keep at it enough and people are going to start believing it, simply becasue you keep saying it over and over. So i have a right to stand up and tell you, and everyone, that you are full of shit and seem to be lynch hungry.
Yes you have not voted for me, but you have stated that i am a "SAFE" lynch at least 6 times....am i to let this now slide, and let you keep putting this nonsense into peoples heads untill you place your vote? (wich will probably be the hammer vote no doubt)
So yes my "made up comment" comment stands...this connection you see is nothing more than you deluding yourself.
you are probably the type of person that screams symp every time some one sticks up for some one else.

edit - grammar

and I will continue to put this "nonsense" out on the thread until people actually start being productive. You are being productive because You're discussing with me. You're not agreeing with me, naturally, but you're participating in something that brings the game forwards. There's been very little of that so far in this absurdly long thread. As for the full of shit comment: What I'm saying has more merit in regards to the actuall game than the combined posting of quite a few players? Why, because I'm discussing actuall actions we can take and why I think we should consider taking them. You claim I'm repeating this just to make people believe it. I believe I'm sharing my opinion and asking people what they think. It all is a question of whether we think the rest of the players are intelligent enough to think for themselves or not.

and who's ever yelled symp? I made it quite clear early I think several of the roles are aware of others. Hiro/Ando, Noah/Haitian and so on and so forth. I could just as easily accuse your repeated attempt to make my comments seem like redundant efforts of someone too caught up in normal play mode. It's nonsense in my opinion, your 'symp' comments, but you're welcome to repeat them too.

You can dance around throwing out words and phrases like "made up", "deluded", "nonsense" and so forth in an atempt to discredit me. I see very little in your posts that has actuall content, so I guess that is the only option left to you.

[Omtose]

Aggressive Mockra is aggressive.

To be honest, the lynching has to start somewhere. Simply put, we need some information, but we need to make sure we don't lynch a guy that results in immediate victory for another. I'd say we can go one night without a lynch and see all the fun stuff that's happening, but we'll need to lynch after that.

Now, everyone opposed to lynching the company on principle, take a chill pill and relax.
If Sylar requires 2 nights for a kill (or maybe day action scout, night action kill?), he's not going to be terribly fast about it all.
Peter is reactive and can only target targeted people for his effect anyway.

Then we have 4 (4!) suspected company guys, maybe operating in pairs; if they can even communicate amongst each other, or know each other. So far, we know the Haitian can give memory loss and we also have seen Noah putting in provisionals for capture. With Sylar being slow and Peter dependant upon hot nights, the company seems to be operating on more than an equal footing with the two of them if they can pull off one capture (Noah) and one temporary banishment (Haitian), and then we left Bob and Elle out of the equation.

Now, maybe the company needs a headstart to keep up in late game with Peter and Sylar, but do you really, really think that their game will fall down like a cardhouse hit by a hurricane if they eat an unlucky night 1 lynch? That would be real poor balance for the game, and Gem has been working very long on this one. Also, a lynch is just 1 dead person a day, do you claim to know how many vigs are out there, and compare their overall effect to that 1 lynch?

Lastly, it wouldn't strike me as unbelievable that we're to be led on a merry chase to eliminate the people with unique victory conditions before we even get to the endgame. Think about it: we've seen Mohinder put in 3 heals. How many infects do you think Adam has per night? My own guess is 2, at the least. If he has to infect X players (X being anywhere between 1 specific person and all of us), coupled with lynches and vigs, he could be damned fast with it especially if Mohinder is removed somehow, or blundering around.

All in all, I don't understand the nervousness about lynching a company guy. Lynching Sylar, yes, but Bob, Elle, the Haitian or Noah, who probably all work towards the same goal, no.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 29 2008, 03:44 PM, said:

and I will continue to put this "nonsense" out on the thread until people actually start being productive. You are being productive because You're discussing with me. You're not agreeing with me, naturally, but you're participating in something that brings the game forwards. There's been very little of that so far in this absurdly long thread. As for the full of shit comment: What I'm saying has more merit in regards to the actuall game than the combined posting of quite a few players? Why, because I'm discussing actuall actions we can take and why I think we should consider taking them. You claim I'm repeating this just to make people believe it. I believe I'm sharing my opinion and asking people what they think. It all is a question of whether we think the rest of the players are intelligent enough to think for themselves or not.

and who's ever yelled symp? I made it quite clear early I think several of the roles are aware of others. Hiro/Ando, Noah/Haitian and so on and so forth. I could just as easily accuse your repeated attempt to make my comments seem like redundant efforts of someone too caught up in normal play mode. It's nonsense in my opinion, your 'symp' comments, but you're welcome to repeat them too.

You can dance around throwing out words and phrases like "made up", "deluded", "nonsense" and so forth in an atempt to discredit me. I see very little in your posts that has actuall content, so I guess that is the only option left to you.

At the end of the day...i made a mistake with a quote...got into a tussle (because i was in a bad mood) with Serc about it.
Fener comes in and says he thinks my quote thing was just a honest mistake...and now, because of you, we are supposedly paired because of THAT!!!!
And the SAFEST lynch aswell???

Do you not see the absurdity of it?

And my symp comment was about your play in general and has nothing to do with this game other than the fact you seem to be the type of person that finds the smallest things damning and think it "good" evidence.
ie. someone sticking up for someone else getting automatically labeled a symp. Or in this case "paired".

What gets me the most is i know your goddamn character, i know who you are. And arguing with me is getting fucking irritating.
Note i havent placed a vote on you either. bloody hell

[Fener]

Who needs Sercs paintings? lol

Emurlahn just paints a painting of himself and hangs it on his door before night. Never seen somebody play this game so badly.

My quote was the defence of Mockra - not that it was much of a defence. The other quotes taken much later (especially the last one) were totally unrelated to their altercation and were not defensive at all. Serc was playing weird which made sense later in the day with his revelation and the fact that he posted some of his reasons for wanting certain outcomes. His reasons made sense.

Which is more than I can say about yours? Not surprised you have been showing up in Iaacs paintings.

Will tomorrows conversation be the same?