[Emurlahn]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:15 PM, said:

oh i can see him now... weird. Aha you aren't a board mod then, the plot thickens.

It does indeed. But tell me this, miss lemon; what if he did not kill the colonel with the lead pipe but rather hired the talents of the beautifull but deadly miss Crabnackle! Would he not then be able to have an alibi yet still through deeds most foul get hold of the entirety of poor miss Shinglebottoms fortune? We are dealing her with the most diabolical of minds, miss Lemon. The most diabolical of minds

[Serc]

its pretty quiet on here. Looking back over the thread you seem very reluctant to discuss roles emur? Why is that?

[Mockra]

not much has really happened. Some usual day one discussion. Im really not sure what the hell we are supposed to be looking for?
How on earth are we supposed to figure out who is who? Its not like a normal game were you get connections between players and scummy like behavior.

Here we are more or less guessing peoples roles. Which is near impossible if you ask me.
What happens if claire, sylar , adam or peter get lynched?
Is the company automatically dead in the water? If clair dies is sylar now a redundant role?

These winning conditions seem to have a few holes, If you want to be recruited by the company. Then should you really be trying to lynch anyone? You could kill your own winning condition right there!

[Serc]

i assume the company will win if they are captured or killed/lynched. But i may be wrong.

edited to separate words.

This post has been edited by Serc: 28 October 2008 - 11:43 AM

[Emurlahn]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

its pretty quiet on here. Looking back over the thread you seem very reluctant to discuss roles emur? Why is that?

I thought I told you? I thought at the time that a players role would be revealed. I don't really know I thought so to be honest, but there it is. As it was, if roles were revealed upon death I didn't think that it would benefit us to know exactly which roles were gone. In case of Sylar, the Peter role is always a threat I'd think and so on and so forth.

When that was cleared up for me, I don't think I've refrained from doing so, but I guess it's always a bit difficult to tell how one comes across to others.

[Emurlahn]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:42 PM, said:

i assume the company will win if they are captured or killed/lynched. But i may be wrong.

edited to separate words.

the rules state that the company wins if they capture said roles, or all roled players still alive. So I don't think lynched players count.

Also, I would be surprised if the bob and that girl who people say can kill can't communicate. If they can't how will they manage to work together in regards to recruitment and killings?

I also think that Noah knows who Claire is. That Simone knows who Isaac and perhaps Peter is. The Ando knows who Hiro is. And that the Haitian knows who Noah is. So we do have something to work with. Naturally, I might be wrong, but I need to make some assumptions in order to feel I have some idea of what's going on. If any of these assumptions turn out to be false, or at least probably so, I'll adapt my play but for now that's how I see it.

[Korvalain]

Well id assume that the obvious pairs will know who the other is, but whether they can talk or not is anyones guess at the moment

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

In case of Sylar, the Peter role is always a threat I'd think and so on and so forth.

Ignore this...i just realised i read the bloody quote wrong anyways.
thought you said sylar and peter are dangerous, in fact i think you are saying in THE case of sylar...
that then makes sense....

EDIT - THIS IS A QUOTE FROM EMUHRLAN NOT SERC....bloody tags within tags
there ...fixed

This post has been edited by Mockra: 28 October 2008 - 12:34 PM

[Emurlahn]

Korvalain, on Oct 28 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

Well id assume that the obvious pairs will know who the other is, but whether they can talk or not is anyones guess at the moment

That many lovers would be a bit odd, but I dunno.

anyways, I'm off for a little while. Don't kill each other out of boredom now

[Serc]

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

its pretty quiet on here. Looking back over the thread you seem very reluctant to discuss roles emur? Why is that?

I thought I told you? I thought at the time that a players role would be revealed. I don't really know I thought so to be honest, but there it is. As it was, if roles were revealed upon death I didn't think that it would benefit us to know exactly which roles were gone. In case of Sylar, the Peter role is always a threat I'd think and so on and so forth.

When that was cleared up for me, I don't think I've refrained from doing so, but I guess it's always a bit difficult to tell how one comes across to others.

i am just doing a read through and noticed that at the start. To be honest even if roles are revealed i dont think it matters int his type of game, this isnt really the same as the lost game, that was a survival game and here survival only matters until you are recruited and even then its just not being vigged or lynched, dying by sylars hands is actually a form of victory. Strange as this may sound we could simply mass reveal as many are willing and during the night sylar will take someone, peter may save someone and the company might capture the other. We could continue without lynching until day 3 or so and then hope we are in a strong faction. There are what, 8 people who wont want to reveal, and some of the rest of us do.

say i reveal - and sylar goes - i like his power that would be useful, while peter goes, hey thats a good power i want that aswell, while the company go, hes a fecking douche better bag and tag him, that makes you part of peters gang? Either way i am one step closer to victory as i have been entered in to a faction. Now unless i get lynched i could still be killed by sylar and join his faction or be captured a subsequent night and join the company. Meanwhile peter, or sylar or the company would be looking for their targets from the supposed reveals. its not like anyone can prove their role, and at least half the people wouldnt want to reveal.

Of course doing that would be suicide so i aint going to but as far as a day 1 suggestion goes it aint a bad one. I mean we are looking to make some stink in order to get picked, we are in effect a bunch of half cocked jesters waiting for someone to allow us to win the game or give us the chance at least. While sylar is almost the reverse of a jester for peter.

[Serc]

Mockra, on Oct 28 2008, 11:56 AM, said:

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

In case of Sylar, the Peter role is always a threat I'd think and so on and so forth.

They are a threat?...thought you claimed to be a rolles inno that needs recruiting...

why did you change my quote?

vote mockra

[Shadow]

god-fucking damit
I hate my hom ISP SO much..
non nets at home. again
dong the phone thing, will catch up once I get to work

[Mockra]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:01 PM, said:

Mockra, on Oct 28 2008, 11:56 AM, said:

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 12:39 PM, said:

In case of Sylar, the Peter role is always a threat I'd think and so on and so forth.

They are a threat?...thought you claimed to be a rolles inno that needs recruiting...

why did you change my quote?

vote mockra

change your quote?
i merely quoted the piece that im talking about?....you have a problem with that?

This post has been edited by Mockra: 28 October 2008 - 12:19 PM

[Mockra]

oh shit...i see i removed the wrong tags...that is a quote from Emhur

[Omtose]

From the set-up, I think that Peter may not be able to absorb powers. I think he's set here as a season 1 pre-Claude character who's just very good at saving others. The 'save Claire' clause in his victory condition points at it, as does the absence of Sprague, the nuclear guy. Making Peter an increasing powerhouse AND giving him a faction who would play to his best interests would be overly strong; instead he seems a reactive kind of guy who is probably cushioned against an early demise with an ability or two.

Also, the choice for Ando, Simone and Noah (not so much) is an interesting one. Sylar has nothing to gain from killing them and it seems almost as if he refrains from it in the series, too. He killed Jackie by mistake but no other normal human afaik. Can it be that these roles are intended as a counter for Sylar (Ando tried to kill him, after all)? Alternatively, Noah could be a Claire symp, Ando a Hiro symp and Simone either for Isaac or for Peter.

Also, upon re-reading the rules, the escape option becomes... weird.

Quote

Some players have their own winning condition. Those are overridden by new winning conditions when a player is saved by Peter/captured/killed by Sylar.

So, they're not allowed to escape since they now have to play for the Company. Seems this clause is solely intended for Peter and Sylar and possibly for players who have specific lines in their pms saying they're allowed.

Lastly, the Haitian. I'm worried about this guy.
Memory loss is specifically mentioned in the rules. He's the most likely source of it. So, what we have here is a guy who can temporarily remove a player from the game AND (as hinted at by Gem) is able to block powers... so either he's a powered down killer or a powered up guard, so to speak.
I think he may be integral in getting rid of the alleged immortals in the game, Monroe and Claire, so it is in the interest of at least 2 factions (Sylar and Company, I bet the Haitian is Company) to keep him alive, and he could be beneficial to Peter as well if he neutralizes Sylar.

My head aches.

[Shadow]

k, sorta caught up now
first of all, I agree with everyone that disagrees with Emur--we need to speculate to figure out the set-up, so that we know what we're playing for.

secondly, I'm assuming that if Peter has to protect Claire, he must be aware of her. also, from Claire's power, it's likely that she's a multiple NK BP, and probably the most likely way to get her is through sedation.

[D'riss]

Glad to see I am not the only who took one look at the set up and had a mental breakdown, but thanks to Serc and Emurlahn, I think the set up has been made understandable, thanks guys.

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, said:

I also think that Noah knows who Claire is. That Simone knows who Isaac and perhaps Peter is. The Ando knows who Hiro is. And that the Haitian knows who Noah is. So we do have something to work with. Naturally, I might be wrong, but I need to make some assumptions in order to feel I have some idea of what's going on. If any of these assumptions turn out to be false, or at least probably so, I'll adapt my play but for now that's how I see it.

So a comment about the quote:

Noah -> Claire
Simone -> Isaac
Ando -> Hiro
Haitian -> Noah

Now looking at the first 3 that kind of set up looks to me, to be more a symp->master type relationship.

The Haitian and Noah though looks like lovers and the Haitian did get friendly (Not in that way you dirty bastards) with Claire in season 1. Which I think means that Claire would have 2 symps that can look out for her. This would give her a better chance to survive as Sylar needs her dead to win.

P.S. Oh and seeing as Peter got Simone killed I can not imagine her knowing who he is, or if she did she would want him very very dead.

Edit: Cross post with Omtose and Shadow(yes it took me that long to type this up)

This post has been edited by D'riss: 28 October 2008 - 01:06 PM

[Serc]

i do not think its a straightforward symp, i think its possibly they just know each others alts. i doubt their fates are linked in any way as the overall winning conditions for their factions take precedent. aslo with so many recruiting abilities its likely that if there was a traditional paired set of lovers then one could end up in one faction while the other joined a different faction. Not likely.

No i think alts is the answer.

[Fener]

I am still not sure of the winning conditions. Am I the only one?

[Serc]

uh-oh!!!

i can tell you right now that in my pm i am told i do not have any winning conditions which makes me pretty sure that yours are slightly different as its clear cut to me what i have to do. Sylars are pretty obvious, as are peters.

My bet is you are company or claire, if you truly don't understand yours. Claire because she seems like a target for everybody in this game, company because you either have to get everybody with power(surely not everybody) into the company or those four big names. thinking about it, if claire hasn't got specific winning conditions she could simply announce on thread who she is and if sylar killed her then she would be part of his faction AND be half way to winning!!! I really hope the balance is slightly more complicated that that though.

So fener, you company or claire?