[Serc]

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

Serc, why wouldn't you vote Sylar but would vote Peter? As an unaligned, either of them is a way to victory. Unless you think that Sylar's wincondition is the easiest to achieve, of course, and that you will be his target in one of the upcoming nights?

and at fener

as i explained earlier - Peter has one winning condition which allows him to win on day 1, the death of sylar. therefore to lynch randomly on day 1 if we hit sylar peter wins and we all lose. therefore we cant lynch sylar until we lynch or someone nk's claire. As claire is most likely immune to most nk's we need to lynch her. Without a solid lead though we should go to night.

The reason i want recruited is because i will lose if i do not join a faction before the game ends.

the reason i want to go to night is to increase the chance of getting claire, we possibly have two finders therefore there is a good chance claire could be found, or peter, though he can still win even if he dies but sylar goes before claire.

the reaosn i am voting mockra is because he misrepresented me and proceeded to explode under no pressure whatsoever.

[Fener]

Seems to me that you both exploded over a small issue. Your explanation is sound.

[Shadow]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 10:18 AM, said:

the company can win by capturing those players or everyone else. I assume once sylar and peter are dead they win by default, because the rest of us have to join them. The company is the town in this game.

Order of death for most players to win.
Claire.
Sylar.
Peter.

The rest of us can then win by joining the company.

not necessarily
not saying that I am one, but there may be characters who have their own individual winning conditions,that get ovewritten once they are culted, but will continue if we eliminate the two cults.

[Serc]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 27 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

Winning Mechanics
---------------------------
Look out when darkness falls,
before you fall with it.

Peter Petrelli can protect players. When he saves someone - which happens when they are attacked but his protection saves them - they become aware of him and will win when Peter wins. Peter wins when Sylar is killed and Claire is still alive. Peter does not have to be alive to win.

Bob Bishop and other company players can capture players. When you are captured, you cannot be protected by Peter Petrelli, and you don't count as saved. But you can still be killed. If you are captured and have an ability, you can't use your abilities while in captivity - but you can trade your night actions for an escape - which means you can't use your night actions the day and night following the escape.

To win the company have to capture Peter Petrelli, Sylar, Claire Bennet and Adam Monroe - but they can still win if they capture all remaining heroes.

Sylar can kill players. If you are killed by Sylar, you become a part of him, and win when he wins. The exception is Peter Petrelli and Claire Bennet. Sylar wins when Peter Petrelli and Claire Bennet are both dead.

But if you are killed by any other means, your last position determines how you win. If you were saved before you died, you win when Peter Petrelli wins, but if you were captured when you died, you win when the company wins. Some players have their own winning condition. Those are overridden by new winning conditions when a player is saved by Peter/captured/killed by Sylar.

Some of you don't have an expressed winning condition. Not having a winning condition means you lose, so you better try get the attention of someone that can give you one!

A memory wipe lasts either A) for 1 (the next) mafia day or for 1 (the next) mafia night. You can't vote, you can't post. Players get memory back when the night/day begins.

---Special circumstances and rules apply to certain charcters and situations that aren't covered here. Use your imagination.
----CF is in effect.
-----I'm using the word Lynch even though the players that are 'lynched' are technically sedated, but lets not go into semantics, shall we? Being sedated counts as being killed 'by other means' according to the mechanics, that's all you need to know.
------Yes, the Haitian is in the dome together with the others...but just imagine that the dome is pretty big and he can't be everywhere at once...besides I wanted him in the game, so just work with me here.


Characters
-------------
Peter Petrelli
Claire Bennet
Sylar
Adam Monroe
Bob Bishop
Elle Bishop
Noa Bennet
The Haitian
Hiro Nakamura
Ando
Nathan Petrelli
Niki Sanders aka Jessica
Matt Parkman
Mohinder Suresh
Isaac Mendez
Simone Devaux

Fener, on Oct 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

the company can win by capturing those players or everyone else. I assume once sylar and peter are dead they win by default, because the rest of us have to join them. The company is the town in this game.

Order of death for most players to win.
Claire.
Sylar.
Peter.

The rest of us can then win by joining the company.

That makes more sense. Cheers presuming you are right.

the rules are straightforward if you read them

[Mockra]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

listen, stop getting your knickers in a twist. Your original post was a quote with my name on it and someone elses words. I voted for you and said why did you change my quote. Youshouted at me, then realised your mistake and change the quote. At this point i said changing posts after the fact is a bad idea and looks bad and you went off on one like someone had shot your dog or soemthing. One vote? One vote and you act like that. Now your complaining because idotn go back and click on your NEW post like its my duty to feel sorry for you making a mistake.

Now you say i am roleless inno when i am not. Seriously what the hell is your problem and why is fener liking you ****

I dont give a flying FUCK about your one vote, but if i chose to change my posts to CORRECT THE TAGS...i fucking WILL.

thats what im pissed off about, i said...if you dont like it go cry to the mods...they can reprimand me for correcting an ERROR you pointed out.

ahem....im just in a bad mood and dont like it when people are all snooty about stupid things like that.

[Shadow]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 27 2008, 06:31 PM, said:

Winning Mechanics
---------------------------
Look out when darkness falls,
before you fall with it.

Peter Petrelli can protect players. When he saves someone - which happens when they are attacked but his protection saves them - they become aware of him and will win when Peter wins. Peter wins when Sylar is killed and Claire is still alive. Peter does not have to be alive to win.

Bob Bishop and other company players can capture players. When you are captured, you cannot be protected by Peter Petrelli, and you don't count as saved. But you can still be killed. If you are captured and have an ability, you can't use your abilities while in captivity - but you can trade your night actions for an escape - which means you can't use your night actions the day and night following the escape.

To win the company have to capture Peter Petrelli, Sylar, Claire Bennet and Adam Monroe - but they can still win if they capture all remaining heroes.

Sylar can kill players. If you are killed by Sylar, you become a part of him, and win when he wins. The exception is Peter Petrelli and Claire Bennet. Sylar wins when Peter Petrelli and Claire Bennet are both dead.

But if you are killed by any other means, your last position determines how you win. If you were saved before you died, you win when Peter Petrelli wins, but if you were captured when you died, you win when the company wins. Some players have their own winning condition. Those are overridden by new winning conditions when a player is saved by Peter/captured/killed by Sylar.

Some of you don't have an expressed winning condition. Not having a winning condition means you lose, so you better try get the attention of someone that can give you one!

A memory wipe lasts either A) for 1 (the next) mafia day or for 1 (the next) mafia night. You can't vote, you can't post. Players get memory back when the night/day begins.

---Special circumstances and rules apply to certain charcters and situations that aren't covered here. Use your imagination.
----CF is in effect.
-----I'm using the word Lynch even though the players that are 'lynched' are technically sedated, but lets not go into semantics, shall we? Being sedated counts as being killed 'by other means' according to the mechanics, that's all you need to know.
------Yes, the Haitian is in the dome together with the others...but just imagine that the dome is pretty big and he can't be everywhere at once...besides I wanted him in the game, so just work with me here.


Characters
-------------
Peter Petrelli
Claire Bennet
Sylar
Adam Monroe
Bob Bishop
Elle Bishop
Noa Bennet
The Haitian
Hiro Nakamura
Ando
Nathan Petrelli
Niki Sanders aka Jessica
Matt Parkman
Mohinder Suresh
Isaac Mendez
Simone Devaux

you missed this part, Serc:

Quote

Some players have their own winning condition. Those are overridden by new winning conditions when a player is saved by Peter/captured/killed by Sylar.

[Shadow]

^this makes me think there may be more tot he game than we can see, thus I am wary of a random lynch

[Serc]

Fener, on Oct 28 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

Seems to me that you both exploded over a small issue. Your explanation is sound.

i dislike being shouted at for no reason. And just because a player shouts and argues does not mean i am going to back down. I have no intention of voting off mockra today, but their reaction was too much for me to let slide.

as shadow says there are probably people with indiviual winning conditions, i am not one of them. You seem to be, i was pointing this out because that is what this game is about, if people want to guess and flail for reasons to lynch or investigate another player by all means do so, but dont expect me to follow suit. The only thing we have to go on is what people say, i said it after the last game, i am not going to buy into wifom or excuses of stating the obvious or simple mistakes. I am not having a go at you fener, but if people say something i am going to follow that where it leads.

@mockra - i dont know where you are getting this about me being roleless, but i assure you i am not.

[Omtose]

If you don't want to randomly lynch, you've got to force a finder into revealing or a lynchtarget into revealing anyone but Sylar (realized it after I typed it in the earlier question, but didn't want to edit it ), then lynching. But, if you lynch Peter (or Claire), most of the unaligned roles will be pissed off beyond belief since their chances at recruitment into a victorious group just were cut back by 33%.
So, it still sounds pretty random all. The best bet is a finder as he or she can count on protection from Peter, but if one is going to reveal right now, I'll eat my keyboard.

[Serc]

where was that part shadow, i know you mentioned it but i cant see it in the opening posts?

[Emurlahn]

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

Serc, why wouldn't you vote Sylar but would vote Peter? As an unaligned, either of them is a way to victory. Unless you think that Sylar's wincondition is the easiest to achieve, of course, and that you will be his target in one of the upcoming nights?

The best way to go forwards in this game is to lynch Claire, and then Sylar. That way we avoid anyone sudenly winning night 1, or something equally ridiculous.

If we do it that way, then I spose the only way for Peter to win is to eradicate the Company (as I somewhat doubt the company would just win by default once Claire and Sylar are gone) whereas the company needs to recruit all those with roles. That should even the playingfield for both sides and really make things interesting.

When it comes to lynching, I think that Mockra or Fener are good options at this point. Fener's explosive symping of Mockra seems to me to be the result of him knowing something about Mockra that we do not. Perhaps he is one of the unroled knowing the alt of his friend, or perhaps they are both in the company. I seriously doubt they are Peter and Claire, but if so Fener strikes me as the likely claire as Peter cannot know of Claire's identity unless the mods hates us.

Basically, I think both of them are good picks for the simple reason they do not seem to have any of the roles who's death will grant another faction an instant victory.

[Shadow]

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 10:28 AM, said:

If you don't want to randomly lynch, you've got to force a finder into revealing or a lynchtarget into revealing anyone but Sylar (realized it after I typed it in the earlier question, but didn't want to edit it ), then lynching. But, if you lynch Peter (or Claire), most of the unaligned roles will be pissed off beyond belief since their chances at recruitment into a victorious group just were cut back by 33%.
So, it still sounds pretty random all. The best bet is a finder as he or she can count on protection from Peter, but if one is going to reveal right now, I'll eat my keyboard.

*is tempted to fake reveal, but realizes the Omtose probably doesn't have a webcam*

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

wow. I go away for a little while and people explode? I have to say I'm with Serc on this. His original reasons for voting Mockra were sound as it genuinly could seem as if Mockra was sticking a fake quote to Serc. And going back to edit something after people respond to it is a big nono.

But then Mockra freaks out completly. What is that? There's no reason to go off the handle like that I think. Sure Serc is agressive in his play, but he's not offensive and what he said certainly didn't deserve that reaction. In a normal game i'd advocate Mocker as the safest day 1 candidate for killer. Alas, this game doesn't work that way. Still. Mockra, relax.

And I'm in the camp that says no night. I can't remember that being a good choice ever.

I wont chill....the fucker spotted a mistake...i fixed the mistake, then get a high and mighty response that i shouldn't fix it...jesus, i explained that i fixed the mistake in the fixed post.
what is the problem...he is just pissed off because his vote now makes no sense....bah. In the end he is just worried about people perceptions of himself.

I on the other hand have no such worries, i couldnt care less what you people think of me.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

wow. I go away for a little while and people explode? I have to say I'm with Serc on this. His original reasons for voting Mockra were sound as it genuinly could seem as if Mockra was sticking a fake quote to Serc. And going back to edit something after people respond to it is a big nono.

But then Mockra freaks out completly. What is that? There's no reason to go off the handle like that I think. Sure Serc is agressive in his play, but he's not offensive and what he said certainly didn't deserve that reaction. In a normal game i'd advocate Mocker as the safest day 1 candidate for killer. Alas, this game doesn't work that way. Still. Mockra, relax.

And I'm in the camp that says no night. I can't remember that being a good choice ever.

I wont chill....the fucker spotted a mistake...i fixed the mistake, then get a high and mighty response that i shouldn't fix it...jesus, i explained that i fixed the mistake in the fixed post.
what is the problem...he is just pissed off because his vote now makes no sense....bah. In the end he is just worried about people perceptions of himself.

I on the other hand have no such worries, i couldnt care less what you people think of me.

[Emurlahn]

shit... a lot of cross posting here

[Meanas]

I'm checking in, sorry for the delay.

I claim Green Dragon.


wait, this is Heroes of Might and Magic, right?

[Shadow]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

where was that part shadow, i know you mentioned it but i cant see it in the opening posts?

paragraph right after Sylar's winning condition

[Mockra]

Serc, on Oct 28 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

the reaosn i am voting mockra is because he misrepresented me and proceeded to explode under no pressure whatsoever.

I never exploded because of the "pressure"...there is no pressure.
I exploded because of your lofty attitude towards what i do with MY posts...kapeesh?

[Shadow]

Emurlahn, on Oct 28 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

Omtose, on Oct 28 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

Serc, why wouldn't you vote Sylar but would vote Peter? As an unaligned, either of them is a way to victory. Unless you think that Sylar's wincondition is the easiest to achieve, of course, and that you will be his target in one of the upcoming nights?

The best way to go forwards in this game is to lynch Claire, and then Sylar. That way we avoid anyone sudenly winning night 1, or something equally ridiculous.

If we do it that way, then I spose the only way for Peter to win is to eradicate the Company (as I somewhat doubt the company would just win by default once Claire and Sylar are gone) whereas the company needs to recruit all those with roles. That should even the playingfield for both sides and really make things interesting.

When it comes to lynching, I think that Mockra or Fener are good options at this point. Fener's explosive symping of Mockra seems to me to be the result of him knowing something about Mockra that we do not. Perhaps he is one of the unroled knowing the alt of his friend, or perhaps they are both in the company. I seriously doubt they are Peter and Claire, but if so Fener strikes me as the likely claire as Peter cannot know of Claire's identity unless the mods hates us.

Basically, I think both of them are good picks for the simple reason they do not seem to have any of the roles who's death will grant another faction an instant victory.

@ the Italicised part: to me it would make perfect sense that Peter knows Claire. how else can he protect her?
if Peter DOESN'T know Claire, that's not fair to him , imho, so we shouldn't count on it.