[D'rek]

Here:

NoK, on p.93, said:

'You've never had to go out any of the other times.'
'No.' He came to her, gently drew the sweater from her hands. 'Things aren't as they were before. They're all out of balance.'

[T'renn]

Tays is the strongest Mage. Why ?

He can Bind demons that are almost equal to Rake in Power, meaning he is stronger than them
He hammered Kallor down while under assault from the Crippled God
He whiped away whole sections of Corals Walls. While under assault by the CG and at the very least 12 of his mages
He strikes fear into the Crimson Guard who piss their pants at the idea of having to fight him
He killed of an Elder Goddes (Yes I know she turned into a part of silverfox)
He drove Rake into retreat
He was busy

Spoiler

beating Yath (who was backed by a shipload of mages) just before being sucked into the Rift

He'll be Back

Mod editted for the few who haven't read RCG.

[Aptorian]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He can Bind demons that are almost equal to Rake in Power, meaning he is stronger than them

This is a miss conception. It's not like he went up to the demon and said "hey! I'm putting this leash on you or I'll kick the shit out of you!" It's not probable that wizards bind demons with pure force. Most likely demons are either tricked or trapped and become a wizards tool through sneaktactics, or the demon is given to the wizard by the demons own ruler(s) or bound by a debt.

If you want to have an example of people summoning things that are stronger than themselves just have a look at the CG.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He hammered Kallor down while under assault from the Crippled God

Knocking an unaware, unprotected target on it's ass isn't that impressive. Doing it under the enfluence of the poison was though.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He killed of an Elder Goddes (Yes I know she turned into a part of silverfox)

Silverfox was attacked while in human form, it made her weak and vulnerable. The kenrylalala most likely took her by surprise, lest she would have wiped it out.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He drove Rake into retreat

No, Rake's common sense and hesitance to let the collataral damage build up was what drove Rake away. Rake wasn't even attacking him directly but firing waves of power down to cause as much chaos as possible.

[Urizen]

Aptorian, on Jan 16 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He can Bind demons that are almost equal to Rake in Power, meaning he is stronger than them

This is a miss conception. It's not like he went up to the demon and said "hey! I'm putting this leash on you or I'll kick the shit out of you!" It's not probable that wizards bind demons with pure force. Most likely demons are either tricked or trapped and become a wizards tool through sneaktactics, or the demon is given to the wizard by the demons own ruler(s) or bound by a debt.

If you want to have an example of people summoning things that are stronger than themselves just have a look at the CG.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He hammered Kallor down while under assault from the Crippled God

Knocking an unaware, unprotected target on it's ass isn't that impressive. Doing it under the enfluence of the poison was though.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He killed of an Elder Goddes (Yes I know she turned into a part of silverfox)

Silverfox was attacked while in human form, it made her weak and vulnerable. The kenrylalala most likely took her by surprise, lest she would have wiped it out.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 16 2009, 06:49 PM, said:

He drove Rake into retreat

No, Rake's common sense and hesitance to let the collataral damage build up was what drove Rake away. Rake wasn't even attacking him directly but firing waves of power down to cause as much chaos as possible.

Not to mention that Tay was not alone in attacking Rake. It was a prolonged battle where Tay plus three other Highmages,A'karonys, Nightchill( an Elder Goddess), Bellurdan plus Calot, Hairlock and Tattersail(a High Mage in all but name) threw everything they had at Rake. Then when they were sufficiently weaked he stabbed them in the back.

Tay do not summon and bind demons on the battlefield. Summoning and binding demons with one hand while holding off Rake with the other. Given what we know, Tay summons and bind the demons before and traps them in a container, to be realsed on a latter date. Also He doesn't regulary captures Demon Lords and unleashes them, That was a one time thing.

Also regarding the Awoved, we have no proof that the Vow boost their magical power. It allows them absorb damage and continue to live, nothing more. For all we know the Awoved Mages are rather mediocre when it comes to raw power but given their extended age they have become adapt at working within their limitations.

[Grief]

Elder gods aren't all they're hyped up to be these days. Ok, K'ruls getting his power back a bit these days, but in GotM? Not as strong. A;sp when was the last time someone properly worshiped SOTCN. In fact, she probably doesn't have access to all her god powers when playing the mortal game.

She has probably moderate power, since we have not seen evidence of her having many worshippers, and if she had been under the warren strain K'rul probably has(such as he mentions MoI prologue) then she probably would be long faded.

Unless, by playing as a mortal, she gives up some of her power, its no longer tied to her life, and doesn't die with her worshippers.

Either way, she's no powerhouse...

[Urizen]

Grief, on Jan 16 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

Elder gods aren't all they're hyped up to be these days. Ok, K'ruls getting his power back a bit these days, but in GotM? Not as strong. A;sp when was the last time someone properly worshiped SOTCN. In fact, she probably doesn't have access to all her god powers when playing the mortal game.

She has probably moderate power, since we have not seen evidence of her having many worshippers, and if she had been under the warren strain K'rul probably has(such as he mentions MoI prologue) then she probably would be long faded.

Unless, by playing as a mortal, she gives up some of her power, its no longer tied to her life, and doesn't die with her worshippers.

Either way, she's no powerhouse...

Perhaps, but she was labled a High Mage in the Empire so she has to have some power even if she was a "normal human".
Quick Ben, whom nobody on these boards doubt as a High Mage has more doubters and detractors in his right to the Highmage title than Nightchill ever had.

[The Drum]

I don't know if you would class him as a mage but i think Gothos is someone who's power is yet to be unleashed and he undoubtably is a being of awesome power since he has a hand in the creation of the Azath houses.

[Andirak]

He does?

This post has been edited by Andirak: 17 January 2009 - 12:59 AM

[Apocalypse Now]

I think Karsa is the strongest mage. What other person has their own personal warren, YEAH DIDN'T THINK OF THAT YEAH DID YOU?!?! KARSA IS A BATTLE MAGE WITH HIS MAGIC STONE SWORD FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YEAH!

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Andirak, on Jan 17 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

He does?

Yes...I read TtH today and the Builder of the Azath said that Gothos always came to inspect his creations and labelled them "adequate."

Btw, when Gothos said there was an Azath in the blood of dragons, was that when it grew in SD, in RG?

[T'renn]

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This is a miss conception. It's not like he went up to the demon and said "hey! I'm putting this leash on you or I'll kick the shit out of you!" It's not probable that wizards bind demons with pure force. Most likely demons are either tricked or trapped and become a wizards tool through sneaktactics, or the demon is given to the wizard by the demons own ruler(s) or bound by a debt.

You think a demon just obeys your will when you set him loose because he likes you ?

And Kallor was not unconcious, he would've been able to resist and fight

And the Guard was afraid that their magecadre would be no match to Tayschrenn

This post has been edited by Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn: 17 January 2009 - 07:01 AM

[D'rek]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 17 2009, 01:58 AM, said:

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This is a miss conception. It's not like he went up to the demon and said "hey! I'm putting this leash on you or I'll kick the shit out of you!" It's not probable that wizards bind demons with pure force. Most likely demons are either tricked or trapped and become a wizards tool through sneaktactics, or the demon is given to the wizard by the demons own ruler(s) or bound by a debt.

You think a demon just obeys your will when you set him loose because he likes you ?
And Kallor was not unconcious, he would've been able to resist and fight
And the Guard was afraid that their magecadre would be no match to Tayschrenn

Seems that most demons are either compelled once bound, or else are being offered freedom in exchange for services rendered.

[The Drum]

D'rek, on Jan 17 2009, 04:32 PM, said:

Seems that most demons are either compelled once bound, or else are being offered freedom in exchange for services rendered.

I seem to remember that when Pearl faced Rake in GotM, he didn't want to fight but had to?

[Grief]

Yes.
Also, this is the avowed. There is nothing to suggest they're massively awesome mages. They also didn't know what Tay had been up to. He has a record for capturing demons, so they couldve got there and been faced with 500 of them.

Tay is perhaps the best mortal. But see his reaction to kellanved etc. Kellanved is probably close to him. Either very close to him, as good as, or better.
And ST, this is Kellanved with all the extra power of the shadow realm behind him, backs down form Rake, because Rake threatens to take the whole realm down, and its not an empty threat. Rake has pwned 3 dragons at once(not soletaken ones, proper eleint).
He's not on the level of Gothos, Rake, Raest, etc.

[Aptorian]

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 17 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

You think a demon just obeys your will when you set him loose because he likes you ?

Greyfrogg does. L'oric saved him and Greyfrogg agrees to help him.

I was listing examples. My point was that Tay is cleaver guy, he has more tricks up his sleave than just strong arming demons. After all the Galayan lord was probably a great champion of Aral Gamelon. Most likely Tay did something for their people. Like the Edur assisted the kenrylalala royals and in exchange got the services of the two princes and the peasant soldiers like... was his name pearl? The wounded Kenrylalala that Trull sent back.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 17 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

And Kallor was not unconcious, he would've been able to resist and fight

Uhm. I think you completely missread my point. Kallor didn't see Tays strike coming. It's not impressive to knock someone on their ass when they're not looking.

Imperial High Mage Tayschrenn, on Jan 17 2009, 07:58 AM, said:

And the Guard was afraid that their magecadre would be no match to Tayschrenn

Yes, there is much truthiness in this.

[Aptorian]

Grief, on Jan 17 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

And ST, this is Kellanved with all the extra power of the shadow realm behind him, backs down form Rake, because Rake threatens to take the whole realm down, and its not an empty threat.

Actually it was more like "back off or we will have a fight!" Rake admitted that ST and Cots would be too much for him when they had their hounds with them. Rake would die but they would bring the wrath of other powerfull creatures and characters and this would be their undoing.

[Seguleh 1st]

but the galayn lord was an exceptional achievement of tay, and he should not be able to do it more often. remember he fell into unconciousness when rake killed his precious demon.

[Aptorian]

Wasn't that when Rake killed Pearl?

Anyway, someone mentioned something important above. Tay uses Aral Gamelon to summon, if not catch the demons, meaning it's not about his strength as a mage it's about his knowledge and talent with Aral Gamelon summoning.

[Andirak]

Aptorian, on Jan 17 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Grief, on Jan 17 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

And ST, this is Kellanved with all the extra power of the shadow realm behind him, backs down form Rake, because Rake threatens to take the whole realm down, and its not an empty threat.

Actually it was more like "back off or we will have a fight!" Rake admitted that ST and Cots would be too much for him when they had their hounds with them. Rake would die but they would bring the wrath of other powerfull creatures and characters and this would be their undoing.

Cotillion and Shadowthrone then don't seem to be powerhouses as far as gods go?

[Aptorian]

Well, there's powerhouses and there there's powerhouses. Anomander Rake wielding Dragnipur is a force that even other gods pause to anger. On the other hand Cots is a lethal killer and ST a terribly powerfull mage, that backed up by 5 monster dogs would have been the end of Rake even if he had taken some of them with him.

Anyway, as we later find out ST and Cots were actuallu working towards the same goal as Rake. Taking care of the Panion Seer. So they pulled out when they were warned.