[Mentalist]

ah
well, makes sense.
yu don't get much of a winter down there, do you?

[Path-Shaper]

Morgoth said:

I hope Lisheo and Mocker realise that I am expendable.... sure, my presence improves their chance of victory through numbers and all that, but still. I will turn up innocent. They have to find ways to use that I think.

And why did Mocker just refuse to listen to me? He knows I am his symp. He should know his unwillingness to commit to anything makes him suspicious, yet he refused to even consider voting for gem. it would've made life easier for him to take some kind of stand back then instead of refusing to leave the fence

Did not see this on the board yet ~ J_Slr

[J_Slr]

We do, its just that ours tend not to be as harsh as those in the Northern Hemisphere. At least that is what I have learned from people who have spent time up there

[Gem Windcaster]

Morgy is getting pretty obvious symp. The cutie knows what he's doing though.

And Obdi doesn't gather votes on Lisheo. Meh, he'll have to do a better job at pressuring.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 21 October 2008 - 10:14 PM

[Grief]

The quote was Tapper iirc.
I posted the reminder about night scene hints, because Lace was basing arguments partly on the scene.

[Path-Shaper]

Yellow

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Lacedaemonian, on Oct 21 2008, 11:03 PM, said:

[*]You seem to obvious a killer at times, but I have not played this game before so I do not know how you all play.

Good time for a rant. There seems to be some common misconception that you can spot a person's role in this (or any other mafia) game simply by cranking the handles. By running the numbers, by clicking "GO" on the great, big Mafia Button, you can deduce the way the coin has landed.

Player X has spoken out in favour of Player Y, and then voted for Player Z. This is clear Role A behaviour.

Seriously, does this type of play ever work, except by pure chance?

And yet we all do it. I've done it myself in this game about ten times. I know it's bollocks, and yet I cling to it. It gets me nowhere, except a lasting mistrust for certain phrases and/or players.

But I stand by the Gut. It's the first rule of mafia, and it works (I'm sure it works!). Of course, it's easy to claim the Gut after the fact, when you've thrown suspicion at every single player, but I still maintain it's a more effective method than the Case.

After all, how many cases are actually correct? And how many, on top of being incorrect at best, actually lead to an inno lynch? And not only an inno lynch, but an inno lynch that was instigated by an inno - which always leads to another inno lynch.

I am still locked in research (read: whiskey), but soon I will emerge into a bright new world where the Gut can be a demonstrative technique in Malazan Mafia, one which eclipses the woefully sheep-happy case culture we are all slaves to. I just need the mechanism - the effective tool that can be applied in a thread.

One day, I'll fucken find it. And then JA will die.

Morgy, quite accurate with the roles.

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Ok, so hopefully we'll get Tapper or Silencer lynched today. If I can just manage to stay alive a little while longer, things will be quite nice I think.

Say we get Tapper lynched, a player I believe to be roled. Tonight the killers take out dk (pretty please).

Tomorow then, I might very well be lynched. It has to happen at one point, yeah? But I'll be found inno, that should buy the killers some time and give JA the chance to take control of the game. Who's there to stop him, right?

They kill another inno, yellow or Lace perhaps? I think, if this works, the killers should have a strong position. If only I can get Mocker to say something with VALUE!! .. bah

Also, I've been thinking about role distribution.

The likeliest scenario seems to me to be a vig, a healer, a guard and then another guard/vig, I'm leaning towards the second vig.

these are distributed among DiBs, dk, Tapper and someone else. Hopefully J_slr but it could be anyone of baudin, lace, yellow and Obdi.

send DiBs my love

Lisheo

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Well, ive come up in a lot of posts today. And now I see how lucky I was to get teamed with Morgy, he does a damn good job of not being an obious symp. All in all, I think we actually have a better chance of winning that the good team, mainly cus they just get so riled up tongue.gif

Oh, and lmaoed at Lace's post "If he turns out to be a killer, I take my hat off to the lad"

Mocker/Lish, planning. If they take out DK, team evil has a very big advantage.

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hmm who would you love to kill tomoro nite? n who do you think the wisest kill would be?

I want to kill Yellow, I won't lie lol, but that accomplishes nothing. Except maybe get us all under suspicion. What do you think? Anyone in mind?

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Baudin, Dktorode, Obdigore, or Yellow

cant decide

wat do you think?

[Mentalist]

the awful thing about altless games:
people with feuds against others
tend to be heavily biased when evaluating anything their "rival" says

I mean, seriously, wtf if Yellow's deal?
I see the point dropped by Morgoth. Yellow's case was weak, so this prompted people to look elsewhere, disregard Morgy and contributed (indirectly) to alt's lynch
ofc, yellow does give off impression of being not very sober...
lol


EDIT: cross-post
I think I'd rether have dk use his vig.
The way things are going, he's likely to hit a low-poster with it (someone like Baudin)
if the killers hit yellow, it may save them some trouble in th endgame, where a guard will actually matter. esp if the innos manage to lynch one of the killers.

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 21 October 2008 - 11:07 PM

[Path-Shaper]

I need to go to bed now.
Goodnight, see you all after another horrible day at school.
Yellow is over-reacting a bit to morgy. I can see him maybe getting lynched over it later.

Hopefully DK wont die/will at least get his vig in first.
Or its going to be rather unbalanced in favour of the evils, probably.

[Path-Shaper]

Mocker/Lish.

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Baudin, Dktorode, Obdigore, or Yellow

cant decide

wat do you think?

My orginal plan was to see what you thought bout taking out someone totally WIFOM like The Dude, but now Yellow has me all irratable lol. tongue.gif Definatly not Baudin, he doesn't have any influence in this came whatsoever. DK? Maybe. Obdigore, no, definatly not, I don't want anything linking me to being a killer at this particular moment, I've been under too much scrutiny today. God knows why. Ive actually been staying fairly low-key. So, I personally want Yellow dead, but I don't think the emotional route is the right one. Thoughts?

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haha thought your answer wud look summin like that!

thats why i wana vote DK lol the git guns for me for no reason lol altho dont think he could get a train on me goin. but dont know whether its better to nip him him the bud now before more ppl notice him

yellow's Hulkin out, may be funny to kill him (sorry yellow lol)

what about silencer?

Night all.

[Mentalist]

night, man
I'll be doing readingsfor another 5-6 hours at least, could mod. this bunch will mostly go to sleep soon, though... most likely.

[Grief]

Thanks, much appreciated

[Path-Shaper]

Need to wait for around 10 mins.

Yellow:

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Can I just state, here, that a new player is in town. People make vast underestimations of Lace because of his style.. but he will displace some of the greats.

I cannot vote for him, because we seem to have symped each other too much (i.e he's been symping me too much), and I honestly want nothing to do with him from here on in.

Ignore the insults, that's all range-finding. He is playing.

I have feared it, because he is devious. But there are new elements to include in the equation. Should be interesting times.

I think Malazan Mafia will take a new direction smile.gif FUCKING CHOSS!

More from mocker/lisheo

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haha thought your answer wud look summin like that!

thats why i wana vote DK lol the git guns for me for no reason lol altho dont think he could get a train on me goin. but dont know whether its better to nip him him the bud now before more ppl notice him

yellow's Hulkin out, may be funny to kill him (sorry yellow lol)

what about silencer?

The good thing about DK is that JA is tending to him, if you look closely... JA just jokes around and makes light of everything DK says, but subtly so no one seems to notice. The only person who gave a damn about DK was Obdigore, and he had me marked a while ago anyway.
Silencer is a nice, quiet fellow. There's been suspicions all around about him lately, they just havent borne fruit just yet.
I'm liking doing Yellow lmao. He obviously ain't expecting it.

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lol yeah lets do it!

it'll put even more mad suspicion on morgy lol he's gona hate us!!

but i honestly dont think he'll get lynched for it, ppl dont have the balls for it just yet.

we get rid of the vocal players now

morgy n JA do the leg work later

simple

i hope lol

we gotta take obdi out soon, im game for tomoro nite. he's lookin to be a big player

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ok tomoro nite we go for someone smalltime, as long as shit doesnt change too drastically lol like obdi goin on a warpath

then big time again

then go for someone uber enexpected lol

hell lets just play it by ear n choose the funniest target every nite im totally up for that lol
like angry Yellow!

haha sounds like an idea smile.gif Yellow was just unlucky to be 1) making good cases tonight, and 2) being hilarious to kill lmao.
I reckon Obdi will lose interest soon tbh! And if not, well, Yellow's death should mess shit up.
We should just go for someone uber-unexpected tomorrow! Take out Gavin lmao, everyone has him labelled as "possible scum"

Although, while it will create lots of wifom, they seem to forget that will less people that people think are scum(gavin etc) then they are left with the people who are not as suspected, and not as good to get a lynch off you onto.

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that'd be like killing a puppy lol!

yeah unexpected is the new mantra of team evil!!


go team evil go!! tongue.gif

[Path-Shaper]

Baudin's on the right track. but he needs to speak up for it to matter.

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after Lisheos silly theory that makes absolutely no sense, ive read back through the pages he was mentioning and Dkt does seem to stand out to me, he's just being to nice not really pointing at anyone and seems to be quite well hidden, think im gonna watch him more closely from now on, him and mocker, oh and lisheo because he does just seem to be spouting a lot of rubbish and im sure theres a reason somewhere

Lisheo's with a plan:

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that'd be like killing a puppy lol!

yeah unexpected is the new mantra of team evil!!


go team evil go!!

I just had an idea.

I think DiBs was the guy who vig killed Gem... So if shit gets whack I'm gonna claim it as my kill lol. Proving my "innocence"

of course, the problem is if he doesn't die after making the claim, people will get VERY suspicious...

mocker

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risky risky lol

be funny if one or 2 other people chimed in claimin it shortly after you. who would ppl believe lol

I would love to see a vig standoff between dk and Lisheo

[Path-Shaper]

some more
Lisheo

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risky risky lol

be funny if one or 2 other people chimed in claimin it shortly after you. who would ppl believe lol

Me. I posted a lot but with no substance up till I used my nk, because of course I didn't want the killers to target me, and now, as a roleless inno, I'm laying more low and posting more serious stuff.Lmao.

and mocker

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its worth keepin that bad boy in the bag then dude, could come in handy

im gona post in a provisional nite kill now (if i can lol) as i wont be back on for many an hour and if lynch happens sooner than expected i'd be buggered

so yellow?

lisheo

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Kill Yellow tonight
Thank you.

so, provisioanl on yellow

mocker confirms:

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during tonight (in approx 11 hours time) please...

Kill Yellow

... this is my definite kill, not a provisional

still told them that untill nigth starts, all these orders are considered provisionals.

[Path-Shaper]

more convos

mocker

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during tonight (in approx 11 hours time) please...

Kill Yellow

... this is my definite kill, not a provisional

all orders for night received during the day are treated as provisionals.
however, if all provisionals are in by the time the day's done, we'll go dirextly to the next morning.
if not, you'l have a chance to confirm/change your night action, if for example you get a reveal and figure ou there's someone else you should kill.

ok cheers man

i should be able to get online for night anyway to confirm it (or change it if nite goes ahead and revelations abound etc).
just playin it safe just in case

spk tomoro!

mocker to lisheo

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kill yellow

done

lol

if we're both on tomoro after like 7, at which time nite shud still be on, then we could always change our vote if need be. only if summin catastrophic happens tho lol

coz im happy with it

lisheo

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kill yellow

done

lol

if we're both on tomoro after like 7, at which time nite shud still be on, then we could always change our vote if need be. only if summin catastrophic happens tho lol

coz im happy with it

Im also happy with it Its time to get some lines drawn and split everyone onto pro-morgoth or anti-morgoth again. Because at least if Morgy gets lynched, he turns up innocent, and we get a free ticket to speed lynch members of his train. That's a worst case scenario, though.

he fails to grasp the idea that symps are primarily there to draw attention away from the masters. they can lynch morgy and then take advantage of the fact that everyone thinks he's a killer to get a couple of inno lynches in. it's a much more viable strategy then hoping to get it down to 8 with all evils still living. oh well

mocker

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our worst case scenario sounds pretty fuckin fantasic lol

spk tomoro buddy

lisheo's getting cocky:

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our worst case scenario sounds pretty fuckin fantasic lol

spk tomoro buddy

well, between the four of us, team evil has gone and grabbed the game by the balls and no one even notices it, theyre fighting amongst themselves!

Night man, good luck!

as a general rule, whenever I start feeling superior like this, stuff goes terribly wrong...let's see if they have better luck than me.

the thread's dying, we've got dead hours till Gavin+Silencer get on. i'm off to do some work, will check once an hour or so.

[Path-Shaper]

they got 6 hours left, i'm going to bed.
anyone here, feel free to take over the PS account

[alt146]

Any other mods around? Can mod for an hour or two, but I need to leave before the day ends...

This post has been edited by alt146: 22 October 2008 - 07:40 AM

[drinksinbars]

Yellow, on Oct 21 2008, 06:12 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

@yellow -im voting in green grabs everones marbles

Lol, what the fuck was that about?

Obviously I was mistaken about Gem - she was very much top of my suspect list. Since Morgoth was so willing to get her lynched at the end of the day, I no longer suspected they were teamed, and thought Morgoth was probably inno.

But then Gem came back inno, so maybe Mogoth isn't. I can't get rid of this feeling that Morgy is in team evil, and the following post by lish just screamed it even louder.

Lisheo, on Oct 21 2008, 03:00 PM, said:

What content do you have? You've simply challenged me to put my opinions out the last four or five times we've talked. My suspects are Yellow, Silencer, and Gavin. Not Morgy, because I think maybe the DiBs kill was an attempt to make him look like scum. But also Lace looks kinda dodgy. And I'm not sure about you or Tapper. You've both been dominating arguments, and not coming up with much, really.

So, lish... you're saying that out of the four people voting for Gem at the end of the day, only Morgoth is considered to be not scummy? That's a very confident statement to make.

i am taking away his decryptor card for this one, dumbass

[Path-Shaper]

A pm from morgy

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Huh, Tapper's case is sneaky I must say. Still, there's one flaw. I didn't pick him because he'd be an easy lynch. I picked him because he'd be abel to argue with me. Seeing that DiBs is dead and all sad.gif

And I might just get lynched then, which is a shame, but not too surprising. Will be nice to get into spoiler heaven.

Oh yeah, the dud changed his vote to Silencer

Also DiBs (or anyone else who's around), would you mind taking over the modding in half an hour or so? I need to go

[drinksinbars]

despite all the shit people talk i sometimes think they dont read the thread. i had two posts where i quite clearly set my thoughts on the game out

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

the way i see it those that didnt get a lynch last night are playing a very coutner productive game. Any of the three lynches would have benefitted the team by the cf.

4 Votes Morgoth: DiBs, Lacedaemonian, Baudin, The Dude
4 Votes Lacedaemonian: Vengeance, Gem Windcaster, Tapper, Obdigore
4 Votes Gem: Silencer, Yellow, Gavin, Morgoth

(2 votes Vengeance: Jump Around, Dktorode) not going anywhere

If morgoth had of went an inno verdict would have vindicated many of the players defending him two days running (Tapper, Gem) while a guilty verdict would have cleared lace and myself and baudin while semiclearing the dude who was accused of ulterior motives for his vote. A guilty would have pushed pressure on tapper and gem, as well as obdigore who refused to take out gem.

if lace had of been lynched and came back inno all four of these voters would have been in trouble, the reasoning wasnt strong, and the lynch would have looked like it was taking pressure from morgot, so we may have found out a lot of info while stopping day 3 being a repeat of day 2. If lace had been guilty, it would have cleared all these players of suspicion, especially veng who was so adamant about voting lace while implicated me and possibly yellow, silencer and gavin as complicite.

finally we have what i feel is the lynch pin vote - gem, inno or guilty she has somehow become the centre of attention with all sides lined up around her. We had a few players flat out refusing the vote toward the end, while we tapper make his vote and remove it. If gem is inno it clears a fair few players (obdi and mocker, especially who refused to vote where a kilelr would have imho) if guilty she implicates a good number of people in suspicion while drawing focus off players like lace and morgo and their trains.

I had tried to get on last night, but my stupid phone decide page 22 was the best thing since sliced bread and i could swap forward or back for some reaosn and so went to bed about 11 not knowing what was going on. My vote though wouldnt have counted for shit, but there you go.

@yellow -im voting in green grabs everones marbles

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 09:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

Morgoth, on Oct 21 2008, 10:01 AM, said:

Tapper, on Oct 21 2008, 10:59 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 21 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

funny thing is i dont know why i wasnt killed off night 1, its not something i like talking about, but tbh its been bugging the shit out of me and i leave it to others to mention it and wait and wait and wait. Now if morgo was a killer and knew i was on his tail would he nk me or would he leave me? To nk me implicates morgo badly, not only by how i play and how he was the focus of that play nigth 1 but also by the 'feud' we supposedly have. That I wasnt night killed could easily mean that the killers didnt want that implication made. When i play killer (dk should remember) i choose night kills that deliberately incite confusion and discussion. By taking out jslr there wasnt that much action syurrounding him, so his death was ambigious and didnt really result int he hounding of an inno that the kilelr should look for in night kills.

The only reason i can see that a killer would want this is if they are already under pressure and want the game to cool down.

I also noticed someone doing the "if i die" bit?? who was that?

Lace did some premature 'if I die' during the weekend break at L-4 or so, but funnily enough didn't on L-2 (the worst point he got to). I put it down to inexperience. If there are others, they escaped my notion.

Now, the first paragraph is a nice support for your theory against Morgoth. Your 3x4 votes are bad for the game is perfectly simple reasoning. I'm willing to throw out a vote against Morgoth (and here Dkt jumps up ) to apply pressure early on day 3, might aid your case and give us a couple of PIs if we drive through to a lynch, or might clear Morgoth a bit more if he manages to defend himself adequately. It's yet another chance to see if a derailment train jumps up, but this time not affected by the weekend break.

I don't like that plan. If another train does not appear I die. Not to mention that at this point I'd think the evils would be worried about jumping on my train knowing i'll appear innocent, and I think a lot of people are starting to question the validity of trying to solve the game by lynching me for the third time in a row

trust me - depenind on how things go, we will know one way or the other whats happening

Yeah, I noticed your little comment at Gavin some days ago. If you're going for me, well, you'll be damned embarassed

in the first i state quite clearly gem should have died and then post a code to YELLOW our decryptor with a big secret detective smilie for all to see and they miss it.

then morgo comments on my vig reveal and no one mentions that. i also state if gem is inno morgo is guilty, and tapper is inno but no one listens to me, they just go this is wifom, its bullshit. its never bullshit. they dont even talk about gems death, they just ignore all info, good god how some of this lot expect to win a game is beyond me the ignore everything and focus on such stupid things.