[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Like I said, what's the case on Lisheo being tied to Baudin?

That's the idea, no? We don't go "neutral", we go for whoever you guys can be persuaded is linked to either Baudin or myself.

Otherwise, we're not going "safe", but on whoever Obdigore decided to name, that DiscoWeasel doesn't like

edit: "either", not "both", sorry

If you look at the votes when both you and Ob1 were at l-1
If you assume Baudin is a killer, then the only person i can see being his partner is lisheo.

im gonna go see if i can quote it and explain it....

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Like I said, what's the case on Lisheo being tied to Baudin?

That's the idea, no? We don't go "neutral", we go for whoever you guys can be persuaded is linked to either Baudin or myself.

Otherwise, we're not going "safe", but on whoever Obdigore decided to name, that DiscoWeasel doesn't like

edit: "either", not "both", sorry

If you look at the votes when both you and Ob1 were at l-1
If you assume Baudin is a killer, then the only person i can see being his partner is lisheo.

im gonna go see if i can quote it and explain it....

OK, but doesn't this reasoning starts by "assuming Ob1 is inno"?

And didn't he suggest Lisheo?

Lynching Baudin makes no such assumptions. I can't lose lynching him today, either he's scum or there's only the two killers left.

[dktorode]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 24 2008, 09:36 PM, said:

it is day 5, 4 hours left on the clock and weekend freeze is in effect

9 people still grooving to the beat: Baudin, Dktorode, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude

takes 5 votes to lynch or 5 to go to night

1 vote : Mocker(dktorode)
4 votes : Obdigore (Silencer, Lisheo, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian)
1 vote : Jump Around (Baudin)
1 vote: Silencer (Mocker)


Note Voted: The Dude, Obdigore,

At this point Obdi is at l-1
So if baudin is scum...then silencer, JA, lish and lace must be his partner, or we would have had a lynch...no? Mocker was around at the time and didint hammer. And i Im not his partner...dherr.
Also... baudin wasnt around when it got to L-1 , i think if he was he would have changed to obdigore for the lynch no problem.

Obdigore, on Oct 24 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

remove voteon myself, so I shouldn't need too
vote Baudin

Obdigore changes his vote to Baudin...doubt they are on the same side.

The Dude, on Oct 24 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

I'll put the pressure on, get in here and talk Baudin

vote baudin

The dude follows suit, doubt he is on Baudins team

Path-Shaper, on Oct 24 2008, 10:25 PM, said:

it is day 5, 4 hours left on the clock and weekend freeze is in effect

9 people still Dancing in September: Baudin, Dktorode, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude

takes 5 votes to lynch or 5 to go to night

1 vote : Mocker(dktorode)
2 votes : Obdigore (Silencer, Jump Around,)
3 vote : Jump Around (Baudin, Lisheo, Lacedaemonian)
1 vote: Silencer (Mocker)
2 votes: Baudin (Obdigore, The Dude)


Note Voted:No-one

Bauden is still missing, his vote on JA gets a a second vote from our man lisheo. then lace (lace is dead and inno)
I am not sure who puts the fourth on JA but as you can see the only person left that could realistically be on Baudins side if he is a killer is Lisheo.

This post has been edited by dktorode: 27 October 2008 - 02:16 PM

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Like I said, what's the case on Lisheo being tied to Baudin?

That's the idea, no? We don't go "neutral", we go for whoever you guys can be persuaded is linked to either Baudin or myself.

Otherwise, we're not going "safe", but on whoever Obdigore decided to name, that DiscoWeasel doesn't like

edit: "either", not "both", sorry

If you look at the votes when both you and Ob1 were at l-1
If you assume Baudin is a killer, then the only person i can see being his partner is lisheo.

im gonna go see if i can quote it and explain it....

OK, but doesn't this reasoning starts by "assuming Ob1 is inno"?

And didn't he suggest Lisheo?

Lynching Baudin makes no such assumptions. I can't lose lynching him today, either he's scum or there's only the two killers left.

No the reasoning is if Baudin is a killer then i can only see lish as being his partner, everone else has shown that they would lynch baudin, or didnt drop the hammer when they could/should have

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

Also... baudin wasnt around when it got to L-1 , i think if he was he would have changed to obdigore for the lynch no problem.

Ha. Here's your hole, friend. That and "Ob1 is inno assumption".

Sorry, but for me Baudin is still the safest.

We need all the innos to lynch a scum, though, if there are 3 of them left (in which case, like I said before, Baudin is one of them). If it gets to that, I'll hammer Lisheo rather than going to night without a lynch, though, so if you convince the other innos I'll have no choice but take that risk with all of you.

Because no lynch = also possible loss, by the way.

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

No the reasoning is if Baudin is a killer then i can only see lish as being his partner, everone else has shown that they would lynch baudin, or didnt drop the hammer when they could/should have

Was Baudin ever at L-1?

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 04:20 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

Also... baudin wasnt around when it got to L-1 , i think if he was he would have changed to obdigore for the lynch no problem.

Ha. Here's your hole, friend. That and "Ob1 is inno assumption".

Sorry, but for me Baudin is still the safest.

We need all the innos to lynch a scum, though, if there are 3 of them left (in which case, like I said before, Baudin is one of them). If it gets to that, I'll hammer Lisheo rather than going to night without a lynch, though, so if you convince the other innos I'll have no choice but take that risk with all of you.

Because no lynch = also possible loss, by the way.

I dont see ob1 changing his vote to his partner baudin at that stage, it would be daft.

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 04:20 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

No the reasoning is if Baudin is a killer then i can only see lish as being his partner, everone else has shown that they would lynch baudin, or didnt drop the hammer when they could/should have

Was Baudin ever at L-1?

No he's only had a few votes on himself, namely obdi and the dude

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

I dont see ob1 changing his vote to his partner baudin at that stage, it would be daft.

What if Baudin is the symp?

[dktorode]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

I dont see ob1 changing his vote to his partner baudin at that stage, it would be daft.

What if Baudin is the symp?

for who...obdi and ....?

[dktorode]

mocker perhaps?

[Obdigore]

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 09:10 AM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Like I said, what's the case on Lisheo being tied to Baudin?

That's the idea, no? We don't go "neutral", we go for whoever you guys can be persuaded is linked to either Baudin or myself.

Otherwise, we're not going "safe", but on whoever Obdigore decided to name, that DiscoWeasel doesn't like

edit: "either", not "both", sorry

If you look at the votes when both you and Ob1 were at l-1
If you assume Baudin is a killer, then the only person i can see being his partner is lisheo.

im gonna go see if i can quote it and explain it....

OK, but doesn't this reasoning starts by "assuming Ob1 is inno"?

And didn't he suggest Lisheo?

Lynching Baudin makes no such assumptions. I can't lose lynching him today, either he's scum or there's only the two killers left.

Prove to me that he is scum and you are not.

[dktorode]

JA has a point there obdi...

Either Bauden is scum. JA is scum. Or there are only the killers left with no symp.

[Jump Around]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 04:22 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

I dont see ob1 changing his vote to his partner baudin at that stage, it would be daft.

What if Baudin is the symp?

for who...obdi and ....?

I don't know, Mocker?

You at this point, you're looking for a "safer" alternative by making a case to find an hypothetical partner.

This is a CF game, dktorode, it doesn't take Mexal to understand that there's a good chance that at one point the killers would have made some half-assed attacks to one another, even votes.

Shit, maybe you're right, but I guess you have to ask yourself why you look for alternatives to Baudin.

It comes down to one question, then. And at this point I would like to remind you of the lack of counter-claim to my dibs vig. Yes, it's late in the game, and I didn't use it before to save my skin because I'm 100% sure that doing my reveal at that time would have caused a hammer to follow within 4 seconds, with a "desperate weasel" comment or two.

The question is what are you most confident about, the fact that I'm not a killer, or the cases that you can make on players other than Baudin in the hope that you're right and that they are not one step ahead of you?

That question is for all of you, though. Because if you don't think I'm a killer, then there's no point taking chances, Baudin is the safest lynch today by far.

[Obdigore]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

JA has a point there obdi...

Either Bauden is scum. JA is scum. Or there are only the killers left with no symp.

Either Baudin is Scum, or JA is scum.

And who is their partner, since I doubt they are both scum? Lisheo is the only one that works with both of them, right?

Hence my suggestion that we hedge our bets and lynch Lisheo.

[dktorode]

Obdigore, on Oct 27 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

JA has a point there obdi...

Either Bauden is scum. JA is scum. Or there are only the killers left with no symp.

Either Baudin is Scum, or JA is scum.

And who is their partner, since I doubt they are both scum? Lisheo is the only one that works with both of them, right?

Hence my suggestion that we hedge our bets and lynch Lisheo.

Yes the only person i can see being both there partners is lisheo.
What do you make of JA's reveal?

[Lisheo]

Thanks, Obdi I'm not scum and I WILL lynch Baudin if we get the support. You can't argue for the common factor idea here, I've casted doubt on Baudin a few times through the game and I don't understand why I'm being linked to him, to be honest. Seems like its more a "gut feeling" than anything.

[Jump Around]

OK, I have to go do some sports, will be back soon with tons of time left in the day.

This endgame became very mathematical, and I'm happy/lucky I got in a position where my own choice is clear.

By all means discuss alternatives if you think I'm a killer. Sadly, I can never convince you otherwise (unless you're the killers ). But don't ask me to put my opinion on everyone you bring forward, it hurts me having to defend anyone when I hope you realize that's not what I'm doing.

And I'm not the type to switch easily and go "lol, ok, if we lost it's your fault".

My stance is this: I will provide hammer vote on anyone I see being at L-1, because in the worst case scenario all the inno votes are required for a lynch. And, the only thing more dangerous from my point of view than not lynching Baudin is to lynch nobody.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 27 October 2008 - 02:44 PM

[Giles]

Well atm everyone will have cast doubt in everyone elses direction at some point in the game, so i think now were mainly looking at the last few days when lynches and stuff actually became serious.

[Obdigore]

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Oct 27 2008, 04:29 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 09:27 AM, said:

JA has a point there obdi...

Either Bauden is scum. JA is scum. Or there are only the killers left with no symp.

Either Baudin is Scum, or JA is scum.

And who is their partner, since I doubt they are both scum? Lisheo is the only one that works with both of them, right?

Hence my suggestion that we hedge our bets and lynch Lisheo.

Yes the only person i can see being both there partners is lisheo.
What do you make of JA's reveal?

I'm ignoring it. There is no way to confirm/trust it either way.

I could claim that he NKed dibs because dibs claimed he was playing different, but I will leave that alone for now.