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dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 11:50 AM, said:

So should we rather vote Venge?

His vote on Obdi is
a. distancing from obdi
b. Taking attention away from silencer
c. a genuine vote

In both scenario A and B Venge is the common denominator.
In fact Silencer just blasted your theory even though it means less heat on himself by us voting for Obdi, Mayeb silencer is the symp?
I still say the most common denominator here would be venge.

Silencer had a block on his train yesterday, and it would seem that there is somewhat of a block on his train today aswell.
So...i am thinking Vengence, obdigore and Silencer as very likely being scum.

edit....fucking smileys

Any of those three is fine by me. If one of the three is a symp, I'm not sure which one to tell you the truth.

Venge would be a more "logical" choice, I'm just crossing all the fingers I can manage to move that he put his vote on his buddy to "distance" after Gavin's comment, never thinking he was in any kind of danger, and if that ends up getting Obdi lynched we can laugh at them for days to come.

But yeah, I'll change if needed, I just don't want my vote on Obdi to lose its pressure. Let it be said: I don't do "pressure votes" that I'll be quick to remove if others pile on. There is not a vote I put where I don't want the guy lynched, laughing as the train materializes as I smoke cigars and drink wine, sitting on my sofa, with prostitutes hooked to all my limbs playing with my chest hair.

[dktorode]

Hmm...Silencer got up to four votes earlyer...one would think if he was inno that he would have been lynched by now...?
And yet again someone else is getting looked at?

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dktorode, on Oct 23 2008, 12:09 PM, said:

Silencer, on Oct 23 2008, 08:04 AM, said:

And now you're voting for Obdi....I see you making shit up in those last couple of posts...and I'm thinking, "Hey! I'll post saying that he's pushing me, so everbody should lynch him tomorrow when I turn up inno!" - and then you vote Obdi? I think YOU are distancing. You're just doing in in the guise of making Venge freak out. He also just said he wouldn't be around for a while.

this is what he thinks....

A night of going through the thread a few times in my dreams, more than an hour of work to make what I think is quite a decent case, and this is his answer.

Damn, I hope he's not inno, otherwise what's the point?

[dktorode]

I was also thinking about it lastnight...i was thinking about how i always throw my gut feelings from day one out of the window, only to have that feeling be correct at the end of the day.
My day one gut told me Venge....and here we are with it starting to come together again.

Im just not that sure...with all the new guys making a good few noob mistakes it sort of makes a screen that hides all the real mistakes in between the noob mistakes.
Its difficult to figure it out.

I cant help but think that if this game was alted quite a few changes would have been made in the choices of lynches we have had.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4, 6 hours, 35 minutes left
11 people still getting down: Baudin, Dktorode, Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Obdigore, Silencer, The Dude, Vengence

6 votes for lynch, 5 votes for night

1 vote Lacedaemon: Obdi
3 vote Silencer: Lace, Lisheo, Mocker
1 vote JA: Silencer
3 vote Obdigore: Vengeance, JA, The Dude

Not voted : Baudin, Dktorode ,Gavin

[dktorode]

Fuck it...let me add the pressure and see what happens

Vote Obdigore

[Jump Around]

I agree the altless setting changes many things.

Dibs kept saying that I was playing a "simple game", that because I was a roleless inno, I was "lost" (i.e. borderline useless). Whatever, what I did is make sure that, being altless, being an "experienced player" in a game with so many new ones, that I would play the best, cleanest game I could for my team and not act like an ass to get myself lynched for nothing (and god knows I've felt the love).

Obdi and Venge are either killers or playing a horrible inno game, and yes, the case might be less strong if we had alts, and I might have chosen different targets for my cases, but I made my effort, and they didn't. If they are inno, it's their fault.

[Jump Around]

Buh, that sounded a bit emo. Whatever, being RI is usually the funnest to play because you can (and should) shake things up. Being the target of "let's lynch him 'cause it's him" all game long gets to you after a while, and crippled my fun a little

[Jump Around]

lonely DiscoWeasel is lonely

Wow, have you seen Tapper's new avatar? He took his fiery DiscoDeath seriously!

[dktorode]

No havent seen it yet...will go have a look

Anyway, yea kinda lonely here, not much to talk about till others come to discuss the obdi, venge, silencer triumvirate

[Lisheo]

Hey, Im awake. Right. Four votes on Obdi and 3 on Silencer? Give me a quick reread to see if I'll switch. I note that Silencer has become far more vocal now that he has votes on him.

[Jump Around]

No Disco-Switcharoo without some discussion. We're not in a tight lynch deadline yet. I am happy to chose another target, like Silencer or Vengeance, if people think it's smarter/safer.

Ironically, I'm even open to a complete different target, just please make a case, because at this point, "gut feeling" should be backed by quotes, otherwise I won't take it seriously.

[Lisheo]

Right, I think we've got practically 80% of Obdi's posts there in the last two pages. The Dude brought up something interesting, he remembered I said the killers seem to be going for experienced players, and then Obdi imediately distanced himself from that. I see this as one of two things: Thinking that would be too obvious and disregarding the opinion of a n00b, or perhaps distancing himself because he IS a killer.
We're getting down to much smaller numbers now so I'm not willing to get bogged down by WIFOM, if there's a train, I won't take the risk of missing it.
Silencer has repeatedly said how innocent he is, which makes me think, if the killers don't know who their symps are and we're down to the numbers we're at (11, so 7 of us are innocent), the killers would be slightly more wary of making kills incase they take out a symp... Saying he's inno ourtight doesn't seem like the best move for survival, does it? Unless he's really not inno. Thus, my vote on Silencer stays, to put some pressure on him.

EDIT: This is assuming that none of the symps are dead, which I think we must do, assume the worst case situation.

[dktorode]

The Dude, on Oct 22 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

So we had 2 Vigs? I am assuming Tapper was vigged right?

So why do you assume that it was Tapper was vigged?

Vengeance, on Oct 22 2008, 07:20 PM, said:

Well fuck....Another fucking Vig. That might explain why nobody stepped up the first time. I wonder if they were paired lovers or something like that.

Is laseen about cause someone is taking out the old guard and I am feeling nervous. Probably the only reason that I haven't been taken out is that my pissing contests with lace give the killers ammo for both me and Lace (if he isn't a killer). Well with Tapper gone I have to update my suspect list...

Venge says that it looks like the killers are removing "the old guard"
That would imply that yellow was killed and tapper vigged right?....how many games has tapper played now?

Commenting on your own kills perhaps?

[Lisheo]

Can I ask, what are "paired lovers" from DK's quote of Veng?

[Jump Around]

It's easy for players to "say" something, but you have to make a case look at what they do.

Obdi for example, since I'm voting for him:

He says "spam spam spam" as if he doesn't like spam. And what are 90% of his posts? Spam. Innos don't like spams, so he says it. But killers like spam, short days, it means we do poor lynches with little time left, so he does it.

As inno, you need to lynch killers, they won't kill themselves. What does Obdi do? Day 1: lonely vote on Gavin, his case: Gavin is Morgoth's symp. Day 2: no lynch, and deadline happened during his coverage of the thread. Day 3: lonely vote on Lisheo, his case: Lisheo is my symp. Does that look like an inno who wants to win, no matter what he says?

etc. My case on him and Venge is based on how they acted, less on what they posted.

This post has been edited by Jump Around: 23 October 2008 - 11:39 AM

[dktorode]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 01:32 PM, said:

Right, I think we've got practically 80% of Obdi's posts there in the last two pages. The Dude brought up something interesting, he remembered I said the killers seem to be going for experienced players, and then Obdi imediately distanced himself from that. I see this as one of two things: Thinking that would be too obvious and disregarding the opinion of a n00b, or perhaps distancing himself because he IS a killer.
We're getting down to much smaller numbers now so I'm not willing to get bogged down by WIFOM, if there's a train, I won't take the risk of missing it.
Silencer has repeatedly said how innocent he is, which makes me think, if the killers don't know who their symps are and we're down to the numbers we're at (11, so 7 of us are innocent), the killers would be slightly more wary of making kills incase they take out a symp... Saying he's inno ourtight doesn't seem like the best move for survival, does it? Unless he's really not inno. Thus, my vote on Silencer stays, to put some pressure on him.

EDIT: This is assuming that none of the symps are dead, which I think we must do, assume the worst case situation.

wat is your take on vengeace?
He seems to be the common denominator here...he would actually be the safer lycnh if you ask me.

[dktorode]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

Can I ask, what are "paired lovers" from DK's quote of Veng?

its a role where two players can communicate off of thread, usually innocent.

[Jump Around]

Lisheo, on Oct 23 2008, 02:38 PM, said:

Can I ask, what are "paired lovers" from DK's quote of Veng?

Two innos who can communicate off-thread

[Jump Around]

more says/does:

Venge: Says he doesn't want to lynch an inno. What does he do? Lurks in the last few hours of day (we know from his joke posts), then votes "against his will". Day ends, night starts, make interesting posts, including a good case on Lace. Why now? Why at night? Why not a few hours before?

Next day, puts his vote, says he's so convinced he'll never change. Why? What happens? No lynch, during his watch.

The next day, spam. Goes to bed, no vote. Why? Why not Lace at least, what changed?

Next day, nothing much. Goes to bed, vote Obdi out of the blue. Why? No case, what does it help? Again, why not Lace, he's still around?