[Tapper]

And now, I am really off to bed. If anyone wants to add to Morgoths case with more than: "yeah, he struck me as scummy, too!" bring quotes, bring cases.

[Yellow]

Morgy (what the fuck is your real name, by the way? Bad guys in fantasy novels always have names that start with "M". I'm thinking your name is Matthieu for some god-knows reason)...

I read your post the first time. And like I said before, you quite clearly stated that I am at fault for the switch to alt... and I'm not having that. The fact that you even tried to link me with that lynch is completely bogus.

Like I say, I know how this game is played. It only takes a few insinuations and a few subliminals and all of a sudden the tide has turned.

Well, absolutely no way. I will not be tied into the alt lynch. I had nothing to do with it, but you have stated plainly that it was my fault. This simply was not true.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. There are 12 hours 5 minutes remaining.

14 disco-dudes on the floor: Baudin, Dktorode ,Gavin, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore, Silencer, Tapper, The Dude, Vengence, Yellow

8 votes for lynch 7 votes for night

3 votes for Silencer (Jump Around, Lisheo, Tapper)
1 vote for Lisheo (Obdigore)
1 vote Mocker (dktorode)
3 votes Morgoth (Lacedaemonian, Yellow, The Dude)
1 vote for Tapper(Morgoth)

Not voted : Baudin, Gavin, Mocker,Silencer, Vengeance,

[Yellow]

@Tapper... I owe you an apology here. I asked you to defend yourself, but I am far too drunk tired to read that dissertation you just submitted.

[Giles]

Lisheo, on Oct 21 2008, 11:28 PM, said:

DK and Obdi. Both seemed very eager to pick on the low(content) posters. Not that Im not guilty of that myself. But both seperately going for two different targets with almost synchronised times?
Not only that, neither has really put the other into one of their arguments, although there is reason for that.
Not just that, there was the desired reveal of the vig. Yes, DK was opposed to it while Obdi was not, but that sounds like a bad cop-good cop role, almost. As I said when I first read the idea, that's only gonna help the killers, revealing who was vig. Yes, I know, team evil already more or less know who is who, but it would be handy to know who was vig if they are, say, intending to target roled members. Also, as they don't seem to really have all that much conversation between them, they both seem to me to be fairly familiar with each others ideas, which just seems like the kind of thing a killer pairing would bring about.
And Silencer? I really don't know. Maybe he's paired with Gavin as someone else said earlier, but if Tapper is indeed correct about him rarely posting, then that's probably unlikely. Im voting him just to put down some pressure, really.
And yes, I know saying that isn't gonna help accomplish that.

EDIT: Sorry Yellow, I just got you mixed up with obdi for some reason my bad!

See i'm pretty sure it was Dk that was trying to get the vig to reveal, I cant remember Obdi saying anything about it but i do remember JA being against it

[Lisheo]

I vaguely remember Obdi saying something about it that struck me as odd, but it could be JA, I haven't slept right lately so Im a bit bleh...

[Lacedaemonian]

Veng I literally just posted my case..... just look up a few/several posts. Or were you trying to imply that my case was shit?

I am moving away from Tapper. Not sure why??? I think I need to spend some time tomorrow looking through some of Monday's posts. Perhaps it was nothing he did. Perhaps it was the way in which Gem self imploded. It was almost enough for a lynch and clearly enough for the Vig Kill.

I will be fairly pissed with myself if I have been played on this score. But such is the game. If a case can be built against Tapper, then I would put some pressure there. At the minute the game is suffering with the spread of the votes. I am trying to keep my focus narrow. Most of what people have said today has been more of a distraction than useful. Just my tuppence worth.

Did I say I was a nab?

[Giles]

checking it obdi made a joke fake reveal and a few other things he said make it seem like if anything he was against the vig revealing. So basically i think you just got them mixed up

[Yellow]

Ah, I love it when the game devolves into six different arguments That's when you know you're playing.

Am I the only person that next game will be looking for the following two posting styles?

1) Bullet points

2) The word nab

Lace, if I can't spot you out of a crowd I will kill myself.

[Lacedaemonian]

Path - Shaper

You have tallied the votes up wrong, mate.

You have 4 votes on Silencer yet only 3 voter names are entered in the brackets.

Also The Dude voted Morgoth which takes him to 3 votes.


Oh wait-no you havent
Thanks for telling me, grief out, not sure who'll be modding, but someone will be around I think. Im back to school though, so i'll see you all tommorow.

[Yellow]

By the way... honestly, not game-related at all... Tapper. You're a woman, right? Come on, don't fuck with my memories. I'm sure you're a woman. You can PM me the answer if you're sensitive.

[Lisheo]

Ah, good. Thanks Baudin. If you read over that discourse, it really does have a good cop/bad cop feeling to it, or is it just me?

[Lacedaemonian]

Yellow, on Oct 22 2008, 12:11 AM, said:

Ah, I love it when the game devolves into six different arguments That's when you know you're playing.

Am I the only person that next game will be looking for the following two posting styles?

1) Bullet points

2) The word nab

Lace, if I can't spot you out of a crowd I will kill myself.

Aye and notice their absence in Mafia 33 (Alts), where I write like Mocker and make shit cases like Morgoth.

[Giles]

Yellow, on Oct 22 2008, 12:13 AM, said:

By the way... honestly, not game-related at all... Tapper. You're a woman, right? Come on, don't fuck with my memories. I'm sure you're a woman. You can PM me the answer if you're sensitive.

Lol im wondering what memories these are... did it involve lots of alcohol and a seedy motel?

[mocker]

lol

lace tellin the teacher he missed one

yellow stressin over the state of his memory

lisheo chattin away about good cop bad cop seemingly at random

funny readin. truly

[mocker]

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 22 2008, 12:14 AM, said:

Yellow, on Oct 22 2008, 12:11 AM, said:

Ah, I love it when the game devolves into six different arguments That's when you know you're playing.

Am I the only person that next game will be looking for the following two posting styles?

1) Bullet points

2) The word nab

Lace, if I can't spot you out of a crowd I will kill myself.

Aye and notice their absence in Mafia 33 (Alts), where I write like Mocker and make shit cases like Morgoth.

lol is my childlike discourse really that transparent?

i write shit coz im lazy lol you cant copy that shit, you gotta live it!!

lol mhmm!!


EDIT: and ive just noticed i use the word shit a lot! hmm

This post has been edited by mocker: 21 October 2008 - 11:23 PM

[Giles]

Lisheo, on Oct 22 2008, 12:13 AM, said:

Ah, good. Thanks Baudin. If you read over that discourse, it really does have a good cop/bad cop feeling to it, or is it just me?

Tbh reading over those few pages again i just dont see what youre seeing, they both seem to be chasing different things Obdigore was going at you and Dkt kept saying that he thought the vig should reveal.

[Lisheo]

Consider this, what if I was the person who vigged Gem? Or one of the other readers at the time? I KNOW I'm innocent, I challenge you to find anything that actually even suggests I'm a killer, but Obdi went after me for the reason I was the only other person online, and I have a high post count, which doesn't actually mean much. The way I see it, Obdi and DK seemed to want the vig inno come on out. It just seems like Obdi was the bad cop, hounding me for no reason other than I was convenient, and DK was the good cop, saying "look, its alright, you can come out now."

EDIT: clarification, Obdi demonstrates how bad he's capable of being by going after someone, I don't think it had to be me.

This post has been edited by Lisheo: 21 October 2008 - 11:33 PM

[Lacedaemonian]

mocker, on Oct 22 2008, 12:19 AM, said:

lol is my childlike discourse really that transparent?

i write shit coz im lazy lol you cant copy that shit, you gotta live it!!

lol mhmm!!


EDIT: and ive just noticed i use the word shit a lot! hmm

I am like a method actor. One day you will stumble home from the job centre and find that somebody has stolen your bed. I will have taken it and will be sleeping in it between lazy masturbation sessions. << I am guessing this is a summary of your life.

This post has been edited by Lacedaemonian: 21 October 2008 - 11:33 PM

[Morgoth]

See now, this is great. This has been a very case weak game so far. It's nice that we're finally getting into something resembling concrete discussions. I'm doing this in two posts because the forum doesn't allow me to post this large a post in one go

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It's a big risk to take though. How could Tapper have known I was innocent? Only a couple of players so far have voiced strong convictions of just that. So why did he risk it? Perhaps he did indeed feel that the case on me was too weak, and so symped me unwittingly. I know I've done that on occasions. I even got poor Piper lynched for it at one time, but that's another story.

Heh. I didn't. I actually thought that what Dib threw against you wasn't lynchworthy, but neither were you defending yourself very well. It was my hope you'd step out of it now that your attacker has gone (and yeah, DiBs did slap me around earlier) and it seems you did.

I was defending myself against a case that basically consisted of: Morgoth is acting scummy and my gut tells me he is a killer. There's limits to how many good arguments I can pull out in response to allegations like that.

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So, let's give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. But what about Gem then? And the other times he defended without taking a real stand? Did he unwittingly symp them too?

Who is them? The Gem thing: it's been even highlighted by me and Lace was doing a fine job of it, too. In this case, I really need examples to answer adequately, it's too vague otherwise.

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It's quite possible. Again, I've never been a supporter of the theory that defence=symp so I didn't think much of it at the time. Yet, I did feel more suspicious of Tapper simply because I was earlier convinced for no good reason of his innocence.

Not my bad, and actually, a lot of people weren't exactly convinced of my good intentions after the weekend break. So, let's treat this all like an introduction (apart from the unwittingly defense part, which I'll be happy to adress if you or anyone else passes me solid examples).

I don't really see what you're trying to say here I'm afraid.

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what's interesting is what happened when people started calling Tapper out on his play. Several people bring up the possibility of Tapper doing this on purpose to seem innocent. There's no real pressure yet, no risk of Tapper being lynched. There are far too many candidates with lynch mobs waiting with torches in their hands and blood burning in their eyes. All of this is obvious yet Tapper does not calmly rebute this, or even ignore it. No, he panics. He panics like Bent discovering he's not in a NRA rally but at a conference for gay liberals and communists. You all know of which post I speak. The long post that in essence just summarizes the game before it finaly makes a few comments about the case.

Oki. Now, you may have skipped over it since you felt I was inno up until the post, but I said out loud, on topic, after being swung around by the ankle by Dibs, that I felt I had lost control of the game and needed a re-read.

I started that re-read at page 20, where the train on you on day 1 builds, and is then overtaken by the alt146 one. I then compared what i saw there to what was distilled out of it in the game during and after the weekend break.

Now, it was probably a bad move to mix in the Gem and me similarities and the day 2 events, for it constructed the post as a defense, when it was anything but. It wasn't an attack either, it was calling attention to details that to my mind were relevant (I shall mention it again; the two seperate lynch trains). My interest was in the first part of the second lynch train: Gavin, J_slr, the Dude, etc.
Now, probably, there is something wrong with my posting style or with how I wrote that post, cause it took me 6-8 posts to get across to Dkt in Night 2 that I was calling attention to the start of the second train straight up to where it overtook the one on you.

Yeah, well to me it seemed so very desperate to show you weren't in fact guilty of any of the things people had mentioned. Much more desperate than what's typical of an innocent. One of the ways to drag out the killers is to try to make them crack under pressure. After all, they as individuals have much more to lose than do any single one of us. You seemed to my mind to crack when just a little pressure was applied to you. Maybe this is not the case but that was how I saw it and I was not in doubt as to what I saw.

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I imediatly noticed it as to my mind it oozed panic. And it doesn't stop there. For several pages Tapper hammers at the alegations against him. Alegations that were not alltogether organiced or threatening. He's overreacting badly and one has to question why that is.

yeah, sure. There was the misunderstanding of what 'the long post' was about, so i took the better part of 2 pages to explain that. Then there was dkt asking why i was jumping at shadows, i asked for an example, didn't get any cause it was rhetorical. Took some time to make sure he at the least understood what it was all about.
he didn't see anything in it, fair enough.
diBs misunderstood the long post as a case on himself, when I discuss the part where he was still believing in you, so the misunderstanding was spread wide out over the place.

Again, this doesn't really explain things one way or another. I say it showed clear desperation and panic, you say it didn't. The other players will just have to decide for themselves based on what impression the post -and subsequent posting- gave them.