[drinksinbars]

Vengeance, on Oct 20 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Ok here is my defense. I attacked Lace not for removing his vote on Alt after the lynch but for removing a worthless vote on Morgy after a lynch on another person had been finished. Here is my thoughts leading up to Alt being lynched. I voted for him because we have to lynch. Any thoughts to the contrary are worthless. It was down to the wire there seemed to be an agreement on Alt. However after I voted I thought that it was strange that absolutely nobody was defending him at all. So I started to have second thoughts. Dibs told me that if was the direction that I was thinking I should remove my vote. I wasn't totally sure of the vote count at that point so I went ahead and removed it. It was to late. I didn't know that Alt would come up innocent before the CF. But since no one defended him I thought that he probably would. Show me a day one lynch were the person wasn't innocent. I don't think that it has ever happened. I will not be moving my vote on Lace. He is scum and deserves to be lynched. The fact that some people managed to get a train off of him screams to me that he is scum.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

Although I seriously doubt that Alt is Scum....After all nobody at all has defended him.

So all that this lynch will give us is a train to look at. Since it is going to be a speed train here at the end. Those of you who have pushed this along are going to be under a lot of suspicion. I am not changing my vote just pointing out what tomorrow will bring.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 01:03 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

I am suspicious of Alt too. However, this swing in votes is a little questionable. What is it based on? (I am a nab)

Seems to me if he is innocent, those integral people planting their seeds will be getting themselves dragged through the mire tomorrow. Exciting.

The swing in votes is mainly based on the amount of time that is remaining in the day. Also the fact that Alt hasn't been on to knock the train off of himself. In all likely hood he is an innocent, just because of the amount of people playing and the fact that killers are next to impossible to get on the first day.


Edit: Day one lynches are 99% of the time totally baseless. They usually boil down to the fact that someone has to go and someone was a little to edgy early on in the day or like Alt was looking to jump on to a train a little to much.

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

The Dude, on Oct 17 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

i too will change my vote to alt, theres something sneaky going on there and that boyo was well sneaky in the last game.

i would prefer morgoth though, as i think he is guilty and the dude is partnered or symping him.

My thoughts too.

I might be new, but if you think I am being that obvious, this early, you are crazy.

i call WIFOM, and you may have just been unfortunate enough to be caught up in morgoths play, which can be sympish intentionally as there are times when appearing to symp people is a viable strategy in a game, but i dont think it works in altless.

@veng - you should remove your vote then, if you dont agree with the vote then dont vote. It aint the end of the world not getting a lynch, but with a possible four evils in play and sides obviously drawing up between morgo and alt its actually quite useful in my eyes to see where it goes. if we dont get a lynch we will probably debate the same two players tomorrow.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

The Dude, on Oct 17 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

i too will change my vote to alt, theres something sneaky going on there and that boyo was well sneaky in the last game.

i would prefer morgoth though, as i think he is guilty and the dude is partnered or symping him.

My thoughts too.

I might be new, but if you think I am being that obvious, this early, you are crazy.

i call WIFOM, and you may have just been unfortunate enough to be caught up in morgoths play, which can be sympish intentionally as there are times when appearing to symp people is a viable strategy in a game, but i dont think it works in altless.

@veng - you should remove your vote then, if you dont agree with the vote then dont vote. It aint the end of the world not getting a lynch, but with a possible four evils in play and sides obviously drawing up between morgo and alt its actually quite useful in my eyes to see where it goes. if we dont get a lynch we will probably debate the same two players tomorrow.

I believe that it is to late but you are right. So if it isn't to late I will

Remove vote

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 02:29 AM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 20 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

Gavin, on Oct 20 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

I recall the case on Vengy from day 1 but I didn't think there was that much to it, he's keeping a fairly clean nose. Seemed pretty insistent on voting Lace right from Day 2 start. Was there anything else to it? I'd be interested in at least looking at a case on him. I didn't focus on him too much in the reread I confess.

Look at Venge's posts during the lynch on Alt146. He knew Alt would come out inno before the CF was posted. Now who has this kind of info?

Yeah. But, he then did, playwise, a rather weird thing by declaring his vote would never leave Lacedaemonian. It's definately unwanted attention you're calling down upon yourself when and if you are a killer.

EDIT: not to mention, if you're a symp, you want your hands/vote free instead of having them tied down like this.

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 03:55 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 10:02 PM, said:

No I was the FM in the last game.

It doesn't have to be someone who voted for Morgy it could be anyone who was putting pressure on him. What got me suspicious was the fact that he waited till after the lynch to remove his vote. Then Dibs got confused about who lace was voting for.

Hmmm...venge. You also removed your vote after the lynch, it seemed to me a feeble attempt at pretending you didnt actually want to lynch alt146, but "oops i think its too late what a pity"

What i also noticed is that you seemed to say that you dont agree with lynching alt, yet you still placed your vote, i think you knew full well that alt was innocent, and you were laying the groundwork to say later on "i told you he was inno" in order to soften the blow later on. I think dibs spotted this and asked you why you were still voting for alt if you felt this way, then you removed your vote, but it was too late. Conveniently too late if you ask me.
Classic killer moves

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 05:52 AM, said:

As it stands i think we have definite "sides" here. We have people that dont like morgoth, the people who seem to be symping him by pushing the train elsewere and then the fence sitters.
It is very interesting how the cases and votes against morgoth have seemed to have been blocked and people have been pushing/pushed to look elsewhere.
Lace has, to me at least, not been showing any signs of being a killer. But could very well be a symp stirring the pot.
He is new...so i dont know, i just dont see a new player purposefully stepping on peoples toes if he were a killer, his partner would have told him off thread to shut up long time ago. So i wont be voting for him today i dont think.

Now we have vengeance, seeming to know that alt146 will turn up inno, yet still voting for him and taking part in getting the lynch. If he didnt like the lynch then why the hell vote? Oh and lets not forget the "removal" of his vote which was oh ever so slightly too late. And yet he has the gall to call someone else out on doing what he himself has also done? He also has ignored the case on morgoth and attacks the person voting morgoth.

I wouldn't discount Venge and morgy both being scum to be honest.
I can see gem and tapper and lisheo all as potential symps.

So...to cut a long story short, i would like to lynch either vengeance or morgoth today.
I'll start my hungover monday with

Vote Venge

Well i am forseeing some strange day 3 talk where i am accused of symping lace by tryign to derail his train, but it isnt that at all. I am simply voting for and discussing my case on morgoth as i have since my supicion for him grew. As far as lace is concerned, i would prefer something more concrete that a gut feeling veng. I said before i dont find the removal of votes scummy, more like a simple mistake. There is no reason to take off a vote after the fact anywya as people are just drawn toward the fact you have done so, so instead of saving suspicion later you are generating it.

If you can give me a solid case on lace i would vote for him.

My reasoning is two fold. As you say we need a lynch everyday to have a chance of winning (though not lynching is not the end of the world). It provides information on the way people voted for or against lace. If he is guilty it shows us those who were unwilling to vote for him, who he interacted with and who he avoided, and where his attnetion lay. If he is inno, we can see if people are deliberatly redirecting attention toward an inno.

I will not vote for him if the only reasoning is style, as i have said before if people are feeling nagry due to a persons online persona and they feel insulted unneccessarily or to an unreasonable degree that goes beyond what can be good natured ribbing then they need to inform the mods and have them step in. We are trying to have fun, for many of us a game of mafia is a good way to distract from work (or school) and should be enjoyable.

[drinksinbars]

Grief, on Oct 20 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Grief, on Oct 20 2008, 12:15 AM, said:

It is day two. There are 23 hours, 45 minutes remaining.

16 dancers still getting down: Baudin,Dktorode, DrinksinBars, Gavin, Gem, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore Silencer, Tapper, The Dude,Vengeance, Yellow,

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

2 Votes Morgoth: DiBs, Lacedaemonian
6 Votes Lacedaemonian: Vengeance, Tapper, Gem Windcaster, Yellow, Jump around, Lisheo
1 Vote Tapper: Silencer

Players yet to vote: Baudin,Dktorode, Gavin, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore, The Dude,

Path-Shaper, on Oct 20 2008, 07:15 AM, said:

It is day two. There are 19hours, 45 minutes remaining.

16 dancers still getting down: Baudin,Dktorode, DrinksinBars, Gavin, Gem, Jump Around, Lacedaemonian, Lisheo, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore Silencer, Tapper, The Dude,Vengeance, Yellow,

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

2 Votes Morgoth: DiBs, Lacedaemonian
6 Votes Lacedaemonian: Vengeance, Tapper, Gem Windcaster, Yellow, Jump around, Lisheo
1 Vote Gem: Silencer

Players yet to vote: Baudin,Dktorode, Gavin, Mocker, Morgoth, Obdigore, The Dude

The timer started at midnight, GMT.
At midnight tonight, it will be up.
That leaves 8 hours from now.

Im not sure who posted the other one, but they were wrong.
It was probably me.

i was hoping i was wrong and i could claim as tapper said some time off or overtime

[dktorode]

Vengeance, on Oct 20 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Ok here is my defense. I attacked Lace not for removing his vote on Alt after the lynch but for removing a worthless vote on Morgy after a lynch on another person had been finished. Here is my thoughts leading up to Alt being lynched. I voted for him because we have to lynch. Any thoughts to the contrary are worthless. It was down to the wire there seemed to be an agreement on Alt. However after I voted I thought that it was strange that absolutely nobody was defending him at all. So I started to have second thoughts. Dibs told me that if was the direction that I was thinking I should remove my vote. I wasn't totally sure of the vote count at that point so I went ahead and removed it. It was to late. I didn't know that Alt would come up innocent before the CF. But since no one defended him I thought that he probably would. Show me a day one lynch were the person wasn't innocent. I don't think that it has ever happened. I will not be moving my vote on Lace. He is scum and deserves to be lynched. The fact that some people managed to get a train off of him screams to me that he is scum.

Pretty much what i thought you would say, i still think you were trying to make yourself seem less guilty.
But weather you really are a killer is yet to be seen.

So you are sticking with lace?
What is your case if not his play style?

[drinksinbars]

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

[dktorode]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

huh?

[Vengeance]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 09:54 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 20 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Ok here is my defense. I attacked Lace not for removing his vote on Alt after the lynch but for removing a worthless vote on Morgy after a lynch on another person had been finished. Here is my thoughts leading up to Alt being lynched. I voted for him because we have to lynch. Any thoughts to the contrary are worthless. It was down to the wire there seemed to be an agreement on Alt. However after I voted I thought that it was strange that absolutely nobody was defending him at all. So I started to have second thoughts. Dibs told me that if was the direction that I was thinking I should remove my vote. I wasn't totally sure of the vote count at that point so I went ahead and removed it. It was to late. I didn't know that Alt would come up innocent before the CF. But since no one defended him I thought that he probably would. Show me a day one lynch were the person wasn't innocent. I don't think that it has ever happened. I will not be moving my vote on Lace. He is scum and deserves to be lynched. The fact that some people managed to get a train off of him screams to me that he is scum.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

Although I seriously doubt that Alt is Scum....After all nobody at all has defended him.

So all that this lynch will give us is a train to look at. Since it is going to be a speed train here at the end. Those of you who have pushed this along are going to be under a lot of suspicion. I am not changing my vote just pointing out what tomorrow will bring.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 01:03 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

I am suspicious of Alt too. However, this swing in votes is a little questionable. What is it based on? (I am a nab)

Seems to me if he is innocent, those integral people planting their seeds will be getting themselves dragged through the mire tomorrow. Exciting.

The swing in votes is mainly based on the amount of time that is remaining in the day. Also the fact that Alt hasn't been on to knock the train off of himself. In all likely hood he is an innocent, just because of the amount of people playing and the fact that killers are next to impossible to get on the first day.


Edit: Day one lynches are 99% of the time totally baseless. They usually boil down to the fact that someone has to go and someone was a little to edgy early on in the day or like Alt was looking to jump on to a train a little to much.

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

The Dude, on Oct 17 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

i too will change my vote to alt, theres something sneaky going on there and that boyo was well sneaky in the last game.

i would prefer morgoth though, as i think he is guilty and the dude is partnered or symping him.

My thoughts too.

I might be new, but if you think I am being that obvious, this early, you are crazy.

i call WIFOM, and you may have just been unfortunate enough to be caught up in morgoths play, which can be sympish intentionally as there are times when appearing to symp people is a viable strategy in a game, but i dont think it works in altless.

@veng - you should remove your vote then, if you dont agree with the vote then dont vote. It aint the end of the world not getting a lynch, but with a possible four evils in play and sides obviously drawing up between morgo and alt its actually quite useful in my eyes to see where it goes. if we dont get a lynch we will probably debate the same two players tomorrow.

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 01:07 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

The Dude, on Oct 17 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Lacedaemonian, on Oct 17 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 17 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

i too will change my vote to alt, theres something sneaky going on there and that boyo was well sneaky in the last game.

i would prefer morgoth though, as i think he is guilty and the dude is partnered or symping him.

My thoughts too.

I might be new, but if you think I am being that obvious, this early, you are crazy.

i call WIFOM, and you may have just been unfortunate enough to be caught up in morgoths play, which can be sympish intentionally as there are times when appearing to symp people is a viable strategy in a game, but i dont think it works in altless.

@veng - you should remove your vote then, if you dont agree with the vote then dont vote. It aint the end of the world not getting a lynch, but with a possible four evils in play and sides obviously drawing up between morgo and alt its actually quite useful in my eyes to see where it goes. if we dont get a lynch we will probably debate the same two players tomorrow.

I believe that it is to late but you are right. So if it isn't to late I will

Remove vote

Tapper, on Oct 20 2008, 02:29 AM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 20 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

Gavin, on Oct 20 2008, 10:08 AM, said:

I recall the case on Vengy from day 1 but I didn't think there was that much to it, he's keeping a fairly clean nose. Seemed pretty insistent on voting Lace right from Day 2 start. Was there anything else to it? I'd be interested in at least looking at a case on him. I didn't focus on him too much in the reread I confess.

Look at Venge's posts during the lynch on Alt146. He knew Alt would come out inno before the CF was posted. Now who has this kind of info?

Yeah. But, he then did, playwise, a rather weird thing by declaring his vote would never leave Lacedaemonian. It's definately unwanted attention you're calling down upon yourself when and if you are a killer.

EDIT: not to mention, if you're a symp, you want your hands/vote free instead of having them tied down like this.

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 03:55 AM, said:

Vengeance, on Oct 17 2008, 10:02 PM, said:

No I was the FM in the last game.

It doesn't have to be someone who voted for Morgy it could be anyone who was putting pressure on him. What got me suspicious was the fact that he waited till after the lynch to remove his vote. Then Dibs got confused about who lace was voting for.

Hmmm...venge. You also removed your vote after the lynch, it seemed to me a feeble attempt at pretending you didnt actually want to lynch alt146, but "oops i think its too late what a pity"

What i also noticed is that you seemed to say that you dont agree with lynching alt, yet you still placed your vote, i think you knew full well that alt was innocent, and you were laying the groundwork to say later on "i told you he was inno" in order to soften the blow later on. I think dibs spotted this and asked you why you were still voting for alt if you felt this way, then you removed your vote, but it was too late. Conveniently too late if you ask me.
Classic killer moves

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 05:52 AM, said:

As it stands i think we have definite "sides" here. We have people that dont like morgoth, the people who seem to be symping him by pushing the train elsewere and then the fence sitters.
It is very interesting how the cases and votes against morgoth have seemed to have been blocked and people have been pushing/pushed to look elsewhere.
Lace has, to me at least, not been showing any signs of being a killer. But could very well be a symp stirring the pot.
He is new...so i dont know, i just dont see a new player purposefully stepping on peoples toes if he were a killer, his partner would have told him off thread to shut up long time ago. So i wont be voting for him today i dont think.

Now we have vengeance, seeming to know that alt146 will turn up inno, yet still voting for him and taking part in getting the lynch. If he didnt like the lynch then why the hell vote? Oh and lets not forget the "removal" of his vote which was oh ever so slightly too late. And yet he has the gall to call someone else out on doing what he himself has also done? He also has ignored the case on morgoth and attacks the person voting morgoth.

I wouldn't discount Venge and morgy both being scum to be honest.
I can see gem and tapper and lisheo all as potential symps.

So...to cut a long story short, i would like to lynch either vengeance or morgoth today.
I'll start my hungover monday with

Vote Venge

Well i am forseeing some strange day 3 talk where i am accused of symping lace by tryign to derail his train, but it isnt that at all. I am simply voting for and discussing my case on morgoth as i have since my supicion for him grew. As far as lace is concerned, i would prefer something more concrete that a gut feeling veng. I said before i dont find the removal of votes scummy, more like a simple mistake. There is no reason to take off a vote after the fact anywya as people are just drawn toward the fact you have done so, so instead of saving suspicion later you are generating it.

If you can give me a solid case on lace i would vote for him.

My reasoning is two fold. As you say we need a lynch everyday to have a chance of winning (though not lynching is not the end of the world). It provides information on the way people voted for or against lace. If he is guilty it shows us those who were unwilling to vote for him, who he interacted with and who he avoided, and where his attnetion lay. If he is inno, we can see if people are deliberatly redirecting attention toward an inno.

I will not vote for him if the only reasoning is style, as i have said before if people are feeling nagry due to a persons online persona and they feel insulted unneccessarily or to an unreasonable degree that goes beyond what can be good natured ribbing then they need to inform the mods and have them step in. We are trying to have fun, for many of us a game of mafia is a good way to distract from work (or school) and should be enjoyable.

I agree that you shouldn't vote purely off of style (we have before) but when you add his style to his game play. To me there is enough evidence to lynch him. He has constantly gone after Morgy with out providing any reasons. Now I know that you don't find anything wrong with that. I find his posting behavior suspect. The other person who I suspect is Lisheo. He seems to move quickly against whom ever makes any kind of case. He quickly agrees with the case and changes his vote. Only to change it again 20 minutes later.

[drinksinbars]

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

huh?

veng said we had never got a guilty on day 1, this isnt true.

@veng - then state a case, with quotes to back it up. I do recall a vague bullet pointed list with laces name above it, but i cant remember what was onit.

about lisheo - he hasnt really posted since i called him a symp i scared hima way i think

[The Dude]

I am here catching up, got about 5 pages to go. Good to see some ppl agree with me on Gem. Back in a few.

[Vengeance]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

hence my 99% of the time remark....

I thought that he came up innocent and later on we found out that he was guilty...

[dktorode]

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

huh?

veng said we had never got a guilty on day 1, this isnt true.

We've come really close a good few times as well...

[drinksinbars]

home time - will check in on me phone later

@thedude - your not off my radar,, but your faded slightly, will like to see what yopu make of my cases.

[Vengeance]

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

huh?

veng said we had never got a guilty on day 1, this isnt true.

We've come really close a good few times as well...

Yeah and several of those were JA that we should have hit. I remember.... Yet another reason to Lynch JA on day one...p:

[Vengeance]

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Oct 20 2008, 05:02 PM, said:

we lynched khell as lowest poster a few games back and he was one of the three killers. was the asylum game i think that ment and i modded. It does happen.

huh?

veng said we had never got a guilty on day 1, this isnt true.

We've come really close a good few times as well...

Yeah and several of those were JA that we should have hit. I remember.... Yet another reason to Lynch JA on day one...p:

[Lacedaemonian]

IGNORE THE FIRST PARAGRAPH - NOT GAME RELATED

Just a quick post before I attempt to do a re-read. Not sure how much time I will have free tonight as I am taking one of the lads (I manage a residential home people with learning disabilities) to the Newcastle match. It will be his first football match ever, so I hope you none Man City fans will be hoping for a Newcastle win. The atmosphere will be amazing if we win or play well. It will be absolutely horrendous if we lose. I was going to pick an easier home game but at the minute there appears to be no easy games. Okay sorry for boring you all.

It has been interesting reading all of the peoples views today, especially those people who were AWOL over the weekend. I have been impressed with some peoples dissemination of the rather limited information and I think I have learned more today about how to play this game than at any other time this weekend.

Taking dog to vet, be back soon with some resposnes.

[Mentalist]

DiBs, i was up all night, and I had to convert the times from your GMT to my zone. I may have been several hours off.
Whatever Grief said about timing is right.

[dktorode]

Im done for the day....try and check in with my phone.

[The Dude]

@ Dibs Not sure exactly how I got on your radar in the first place. Could I get a refresher? All I know is I got lumped in with Gem, Tapper and Lisheo. I could see you making a case against me and Tapper. We really haven't dealt much with each other and that is kind of killer/sympish. But for us its just bad luck/timing. I find a case of lumping with me and Gem laughable. I have been on her ever since the J_slr NK and there are 3-4 posts that show this. Plus, she now knows that she is lynchable today and drops in to say "lynch me I want to be lynched, look at the dude, silencer etc." In her defense, her last post kind of moves her off my radar a little bit. She has seen my posts , seen me pointing a finger at her and naturally if she was inno might in turn suspect me for pointing the finger. That, being said I would still be willing to vote for her. Gavin did have a nice case, and others have seen what I have in regards to her guilt. Finally Lisheo, he has been all over the radar and I challenge you to find where our voting pattern/interaction would indicate a killer/symp interaction. Its not there. Unless Lisheo voted for Alt after me...I believe I was 3-4 on the train so he might have jumped on later. Finally, you brought up how I don't think you are guilty... I still don't. not sure how that makes me guilty. You seem obssesed with Morgy. Thats fine, even strengthening my belief you aren't a killer. I don't think a killer would be so focused on lynching one specific inno, rather laying in the weeds, going with the flow happy to vote off anyone that isn't another killer. So if me thinking you aren't a killer points at guilt to me...so be it. (you could be a symp...but if you are ,whatever, we don't need to kill the symps to win.) Anyway, you wanted my defense there it is, not very impressive...but neither is your claim

I am gonna jump back some and try to make some cases. Work is going to be hell today so I will post when I can, I will refresh throughout the day though. As of now, I am leaning Gem.

EDIT1 to make it readable

EDIT2 to explain edit 1

This post has been edited by The Dude: 20 October 2008 - 03:59 PM

[Gavin]

Well I am done for the day. Not sure what to make off Venges defence there but he's created some doubt for me.
Since i'm not around for the lynch and I was tossing up between Gem and Venge I guess I'll have to vote Gem. She didn't really seem to try or care about defending herself.

Vote Gem

[Lacedaemonian]

dktorode, on Oct 20 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Im done for the day....try and check in with my phone.

I have been trying to do that today from my mobile. I managed to post the other day from my mobile but havent been able to since. Probably a blessing. I would say that some of my short messages were because I was posting from my mobile but this is only partially true.

I have a lot of questions to ask about today but wanted one issue clearing up: The issue with me abusing Vengence and Morgoth.

• How was I abusive toward Morgoth? This was just gentle humour that lasted for a short period of time.
  
• Some people that laughed at this later decided to find it 'uncool'. Thus began the legend of the Morgoth Abuse.
  
• I crossed the line with Vengence. It was a shit joke and the sort that would make me cringe if I heard someone else saying it. Not sure what I was thinking. It certainly was not personal and was a throw away comment, though I do not deny that it was offensive. Vengence chose to take offense. I apologised to the bloke on the boards and in private - not much else I can do at this point. In time I hope he sees that I am of higher quality than this comment suggested.
  
• Back to the game - what relevence do these comments have in this game? I am aware that every single comment could be determined to mean almost anything else but I think people are stretching their necks a little by keep bringing up this issue.
  
• I am new. I am not just new to this game but I am brand new to this community. I have a lot to learn. I cant help but feel that some of the Mafia group are being over sensitive about this issue. I assume boredom over the weekend made me an interesting victim and I know I am not out of the woods but I appear to have earned an unexpected reprieve.

Hopefully I can check some of the arguements presented today but I think I am running out of time. Can we have a vote count, please?

PS I agree with mod action against future abuses and indeed this one if it is deemed necessary.

[Gem Windcaster]

Gavin, on Oct 20 2008, 03:10 PM, said:

Gem has hardly inspired with me her defence

Defence against what? I have to know what I am supposed to defend against to do it.