[Morgoth]

 Zoolanderis Derake, on 18 March 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

I'm not gonna go on an extended rant about it, but the hate crime nullification thing really bothers me. The main critique against hate crime laws is that they police people's thoughts and beliefs, punishing opinions on top of criminal behavior. If an assault is already illegal, they argue, what does it matter why it was done? Some conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and even liberals believe in that logic. But I'd argue if you believe that crimes can be committed against communities or society -- if you can separate a murder from terrorism, for instance, because the implication reaches further than the direct victims -- then hate crime laws make the same sense for basically the same reasons. There's a direct victimization component and a broader threat component, and both do actual real world damage. The threat is more than an opinion just as an assault is more than an opinion, and threats aren't protected speech even in the US (I know some countries actually have hate speech laws, which I wouldn't call for). I think most people see that reasoning though -- and only 5 out of 50 states don't have hate crime laws, but Georgia is the only one that has had them and had them overturned by a state court. There are federal hate crime laws though and I hope this makes it to that level.

It's also really daft an argument because intent is at the heart of pretty much all sentencing laws. Manslaughter or murder. Attempted robbery or breaking and entering. Criminal negligence or intentional harm. And so on and so forth.

[Tsundoku]

 Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 19 March 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

Fucked up at work, to the extent that I will have to explain myself in front of a judge. Fuck me.

Well you can't just leave us hanging after that now, can you?

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

 Morgoth, on 19 March 2016 - 08:41 AM, said:

 Zoolanderis Derake, on 18 March 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

I'm not gonna go on an extended rant about it, but the hate crime nullification thing really bothers me. The main critique against hate crime laws is that they police people's thoughts and beliefs, punishing opinions on top of criminal behavior. If an assault is already illegal, they argue, what does it matter why it was done? Some conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and even liberals believe in that logic. But I'd argue if you believe that crimes can be committed against communities or society -- if you can separate a murder from terrorism, for instance, because the implication reaches further than the direct victims -- then hate crime laws make the same sense for basically the same reasons. There's a direct victimization component and a broader threat component, and both do actual real world damage. The threat is more than an opinion just as an assault is more than an opinion, and threats aren't protected speech even in the US (I know some countries actually have hate speech laws, which I wouldn't call for). I think most people see that reasoning though -- and only 5 out of 50 states don't have hate crime laws, but Georgia is the only one that has had them and had them overturned by a state court. There are federal hate crime laws though and I hope this makes it to that level.

It's also really daft an argument because intent is at the heart of pretty much all sentencing laws. Manslaughter or murder. Attempted robbery or breaking and entering. Criminal negligence or intentional harm. And so on and so forth.

^^ Spot on. If a person is saying reasoning doesn't matter, it's not a great leap for them to say intent doesn't matter - and then where does that leave things?

[Gust Hubb]

Spent the last 30 minutes making my son finish his food. He didn't want to eat because he wanted to play, even though he said he was hungry not even 10 minutes before dinner. It's not like beef stroganoff is torture, right?

[worry]

It might be.

[Andorion]

 Gust Hubb, on 20 March 2016 - 12:04 AM, said:

Spent the last 30 minutes making my son finish his food. He didn't want to eat because he wanted to play, even though he said he was hungry not even 10 minutes before dinner. It's not like beef stroganoff is torture, right?

It's all perspective. I spent most of my childhood loathing the very idea of meat

[Abyss]

Is it evil beef stroganoff?

[Maark Abbott]

 Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 19 March 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

Fucked up at work, to the extent that I will have to explain myself in front of a judge. Fuck me.

That doesn't sound good.

[EmperorMagus]

 Maark Abbott, on 20 March 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

 Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 19 March 2016 - 07:17 AM, said:

Fucked up at work, to the extent that I will have to explain myself in front of a judge. Fuck me.

That doesn't sound good.

No it does not. Hope you're fine and it's nothing severe RLY.

[Macros]

First world problems.

Liverpool game isn't on sky, so the bar has one of the foreign channels in, Im assuming the commentary will be in Thai as well as the bizarre build up show currently on

[Macros]

Crisis averted, got a canadian channel.

What a goal by couts

[Gust Hubb]

I hate Sunday. Reminded of church trauma and have to give the boys back to their mum

[Tiste Simeon]

 Macros, on 20 March 2016 - 01:51 PM, said:

Crisis averted, got a canadian channel.

What a goal by couts

Hah. Haha. Hahahaha!

[Macros]

My god that was a shocking capitulation.

Could easily have been 4/5-0 bu half time then just......
Ugh

[Morgoth]

I've been dating this girl for a little while. She's beauitful and interesting and seems very interested in me for some reason. However, she's also very jealous. I'm not, even - to my own surprise - following recent events in my life. So, I don't think it'll work and that makes me sad.

[Abyss]

 Morgoth, on 20 March 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

I've been dating this girl for a little while. She's beauitful and interesting and seems very interested in me for some reason. However, she's also very jealous. I'm not, even - to my own surprise - following recent events in my life. So, I don't think it'll work and that makes me sad.

Considered telling her all of that?Including the beautiful and interesting part.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

 Morgoth, on 20 March 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

I've been dating this girl for a little while. She's beauitful and interesting and seems very interested in me for some reason. However, she's also very jealous. I'm not, even - to my own surprise - following recent events in my life. So, I don't think it'll work and that makes me sad.

Maybe talk to her about it - there might be a bad experience behind it that she needs to put to rest. She might not even realise to the extent she's doing it.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

I won't know the extent of it until after court on Wednesday. The good news is maybe I will get fired before then and not have to go.

[Morgoth]

 TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 21 March 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

 Morgoth, on 20 March 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

I've been dating this girl for a little while. She's beauitful and interesting and seems very interested in me for some reason. However, she's also very jealous. I'm not, even - to my own surprise - following recent events in my life. So, I don't think it'll work and that makes me sad.

Maybe talk to her about it - there might be a bad experience behind it that she needs to put to rest. She might not even realise to the extent she's doing it.

I have tried talking to her about it, but to her it's not the least bit weird to dislike that I have female friends. Or to react negatively when I send a snap from a party and there's girls there. I have many female friends, friends I've had for years, decades even. There's simply no way I'm going to stop keeping in touch, or even reduce contact with any of them.

So yeah, I've tried talking to her about it all but I dunno.

[Morgoth]

 Abyss, on 21 March 2016 - 03:48 AM, said:

 Morgoth, on 20 March 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

I've been dating this girl for a little while. She's beauitful and interesting and seems very interested in me for some reason. However, she's also very jealous. I'm not, even - to my own surprise - following recent events in my life. So, I don't think it'll work and that makes me sad.

Considered telling her all of that?Including the beautiful and interesting part.

I do, and when we're out together I make sure to make her feel that she's the most important person in the room.