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#5080 User is offline   Tsundoku 

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 08:34 PM

I am filled with trepidation at the (slight) possibility that the Collywobbles may defy logic, nature and even God, and win later today. Expect Melbourne to dissolve into scenes of chaos - dogs and cats living together etc - if this aberration should occur:

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Black and white and hated all over: Collingwood supporters

* By Kate Legge
* From: The Australian
* September 25, 2010 12:00AM

COLLINGWOOD tragic Steve Fahey defies the folklore.

He's got all his teeth, his arms are not coloured in like midfielder Dane Swan's sleeve of tattoos, he's a salaried professional, not a Centrelink client, he doesn't smoke Winfield Blues, his garage isn't stashed with stolen goods, and he doesn't drop the "g" when he's talkin' about the football club he couldn't live without.

Not only is he literate, but he's a founding member of the Floreat Pica Society - Latin for Prosper The Magpie - a small sub-culture that exists within the hydra-headed monster threatening to consume Melbourne on AFL grand final weekend.

Such whimsy is proof enough that Fahey is at least as mad, perhaps slightly crazier, than the typical Collingwood zealot. As a boy he learned to recite the club's honour boards backwards while he waited for his Collingwood-besotted father to emerge from the social rooms at the team's old home ground of Victoria Park.

Fahey has handed down this tribal worship to teenage daughter Holly, leavened by a tongue-in-cheek perspective that sometimes escaped his old man. Yesterday they joined a sea of black and white, tinged with St Kilda's red, to watch both teams parade through the city.

Ignoring the jibe - "What do you call a Collingwood supporter in a suit? The defendant" - Fahey wore his tuxedo, just as he did when Collingwood last won a premiership in 1990. And he'll don it again for today's blockbuster against the Saints because superstition matters.

If the prospect of victory thrills the one-eyed Pies army - a mob feared for its size and ferocity - it fills an even bigger legion of Collingwood haters with nightmarish dread.

Just as a common hatred of the Manly Sea Eagles unifies other rugby league clubs and their fans, rival AFL clubs find common ground in antipathy towards a foe lampooned as the "trailer trash" of the league in jokes such as these. You know you're a Pies supporter when you let your 12-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids, you wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean, or you've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.

Don't think humour lances the foreboding. "I live in constant fear of Collingwood winning a premiership," Essendon fan Ged McMahon worried months ago as the Pies began to swagger.

"It would be armageddon for the city of Melbourne. Bogans would run loose. Bottle shops would run out of stock. The celebrations would last for weeks . . . probably even years. Hell, they're still talking non-stop about 1990 and that was 20 bloody years ago."

Twenty years ago, author Don Watson lived in Turner Street, Collingwood, opposite Victoria Park. The club had applied for a six-day 24-hour liquor licence in expectation of its first flag since 1958. Without wishing to be wowsers, Watson and several neighbours thought 48 hours of solid drinking should be sufficient. The local council agreed.

On game day, Watson hurried home from the MCG after the final siren to guard his property.

"It was like being a chateau owner when the Bastille fell," he chuckles. "You could hear the roar as waves of delirious fans approached. During the night, because the bedroom was on the street side, you'd hear blokes pissing through the fence, on the door step, and the sound of broken glass. They literally drank the place dry. One of the local publicans told of handing over the last dust-covered bottle of creme de menthe from his shelves at around 6pm that Sunday."

Watson now lives in the bush, and the Magpies have left Victoria Park for shiny new premises where naming rights revolve with the seasons: first the Lexus Centre now the Westpac Centre. Behind the corporate glitz, Collingwood's love of enmity remains its true badge of honour. Magpies fans will tell you we hate them (yes, me too) because of their "success". Success? Of 40 grand finals in 117 years, the club has won 14.

Prosperity flourished briefly during periods of back-to-back premierships between 1927 and 1930, and 1935-36. Boasting seeds the antagonism; sheer strength of membership stokes envy. Average attendance at games this year was 63,000, a figure that rockets Collingwood into the top nine international football clubs, close behind Manchester United (69,000).

Historian Richard Stremski, who wrote Kill for Collingwood, says hackles were raised from the club's beginnings in 1892 because of its working-class roots in the low-lying flats of Melbourne where the city's sewage once settled and the stench from tanneries sharpened the locals' hunger for something to make them proud. A winning team evened the score.

Benefactors such as John Wren, a notorious character made rich by the profits of illegal gambling, and gangster Squizzy Taylor kindled distrust of the club's affairs in the 1930s, but it's the supporters who speak loudest.

Riotous celebrations followed the 1935 flag. Delirious brethren lugged an old piano into the centre of Victoria Park, where the honky-tonk continued into Sunday. Rolling homewards, club legend Harry Collier drove his car through Catholic Archbishop Mannix's fence. Mannix was a Pies man.

In the post-war years, Victoria Park enhanced its reputation. Opposition teams endured cold showers and unsavoury conditions. Coaches were spat on.

Phil Dimitriadis, who grew up in Turner Street, was one of them. "I wouldn't take my daughter to the Victoria Park of 20 years ago. It was too dangerous. You'd always see fights, blood and muck, and eskies filled with alcohol."

He wrote a university thesis on the club's primordial passions.

"I used the model of Cyclops, the metaphor of being one-eyed. No other club comes close to this blind allegiance. It's more than a football club. It's an idea, a concept, a symbol for overcoming adversity. That's where the hatred stems from."

Poet and novelist Peter Rose belongs to a Collingwood dynasty. Son of the late Bob Rose, player and coach, his memories of Saturday games are vivid. "Great massings of people and really very drunk men. Insults would fly and there'd be big brawls."

Anti-Collingwood sentiment reminds him of Sydney and Melbourne rivalry.

Watson, best known as Paul Keating's speechwriter, once traced his ill-will towards the Pies from the cradle.

"As I was born with football in my brain, I was born with an immovable loathing of the Magpies. They did nothing to harm my family. I cannot name the feelings they offend. Absolutely nothing fuels this evil sentiment, but it burns like the eternal flame."

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I urge all right-thinking (plus Apt and Rodeo) to send positive vibes towards the St Kilda Saints for the next 12 hours. It's no exaggeration to say the fate of civilisation may hang on your good will! :)

Late, LATE EDIT:

HOLY CRAP A DRAW!!!!! :)

I normally don't having anything good to say about Collingwood, but Nick Maxwell's comments to Matthew Richardson straight after the siren were very incisive.

Back again next week. On the good side we get 2 Grand Finals on the same weekend once again, like it used to be. Like it SHOULD be.

Later EDIT: .... aaaaaand the changing rooms have apparently been flooded (both teams) so they have to go across with their stuff to the other side of the ground to alternate arrangements.

This is fucking surreal. :p

This post has been edited by Sombra: 25 September 2010 - 07:24 AM

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#5081 User is offline   Centzon Totochtin 

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:05 AM

WTF?! THEY DO NOT HAVE OVERTIME?! Now there will be ANOTHER grand final next weekend. This is stupid in my opinion. :)

how can there be 2 grand finals for the same competition?!

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 09:28 AM

View PostCentzon Totochtin, on 25 September 2010 - 09:05 AM, said:

WTF?! THEY DO NOT HAVE OVERTIME?! Now there will be ANOTHER grand final next weekend. This is stupid in my opinion. :)


It happened twice in the VFL - 1948 and 1977 I think. They replayed a week later. I dare say from the comments after todays game there may be a change soon, but we have to operate under the current set of rules at the moment, which dictate a replay. These rules were around when it wasn't a problem for crowds to come back next week since it used to be all Melbourne based anyway, and it's not as if they do anything else down there. But now, with multiple users for the same grounds, interstate ticket holders, TV rights etc I think there will be a change to overtime at least.

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how can there be 2 grand finals for the same competition?!


When you get a replay because of a draw. But if you're referring to my comment, I was talking about having the Rugby League and Aussie Rules Grand Finals on the SAME weekend, as it used to be. Aussie Rules on Saturday afternoon, and Rugby League on Sunday afternoon - none of this Sunday night bullshit.

This post has been edited by Sombra: 25 September 2010 - 09:31 AM

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#5083 User is offline   Centzon Totochtin 

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 12:17 PM

I wasn't referring to your comment :) I can't believe they didn't think to change that kind of rule when it became a national competition.
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 12:38 PM

View PostSombra, on 25 September 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostCentzon Totochtin, on 25 September 2010 - 09:05 AM, said:

WTF?! THEY DO NOT HAVE OVERTIME?! Now there will be ANOTHER grand final next weekend. This is stupid in my opinion. :)


It happened twice in the VFL - 1948 and 1977 I think. They replayed a week later. I dare say from the comments after todays game there may be a change soon, but we have to operate under the current set of rules at the moment, which dictate a replay. These rules were around when it wasn't a problem for crowds to come back next week since it used to be all Melbourne based anyway, and it's not as if they do anything else down there. But now, with multiple users for the same grounds, interstate ticket holders, TV rights etc I think there will be a change to overtime at least.

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how can there be 2 grand finals for the same competition?!


When you get a replay because of a draw. But if you're referring to my comment, I was talking about having the Rugby League and Aussie Rules Grand Finals on the SAME weekend, as it used to be. Aussie Rules on Saturday afternoon, and Rugby League on Sunday afternoon - none of this Sunday night bullshit.


I don't want to sound cynical but one of the main reasons that there wasn't overtime on the game was because of the money that the AFL would make out of having a rematch of the grand final. I mean Alex Demetriou and the rest of those fat cat bastards that run the AFL would be laughing all the bank.

Me l am just happy that Collingwood didn't win, at least there is still a chance they won't win.
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 04:35 AM

TWICE IN THE VFL?????? SOMBRA! Get it right Man!

The last time there was a draw in the Grand Final was in the first year of the AFL and it was Collingwood v Essendon - yep 1990! Anyone care to remember who one that year? Collingwood is known for winning them in October :)

Only downside to a draw is that I have to go another week without sleep and am likely to sustain even more injuries than I did during the first one...i have to stop being so active whilst watching sport on tv....

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 11:35 AM

Your both right in a way, the last drawn grand final was in 77, the draw in 1990 that had to be replayed was Magpies/Eagles qualifying final. It was replayed and the grand final was a week late because of it.
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 11:59 AM

Soooo... what's the best way of dealing with a girl that wen't on the defensive / elusive path? Like with non-newtonian fluids, it seems that relieving the pressure should be the way to go, but wouldn't that risk looking like I lost interest?

I think I'm going to wait now for when she wants to contact me. Looks like I've been a bit... overzealous. She's also apparently had really bad luck with guys over the past year. All this, coupled with going to 2nd base after like 2 minutes when we first met (it wasn't really proper greetings to me either, truth be told - but that spark is what makes me delve deeper into this particular girl - it's chemistry... well, or placeholder), I think it makes her swing to the other end of the spectrum, being all reserved, resistant, elusive, all the while her friends tell me she's still interested... maybe. Maybe.
I just hope I'm not banging my head against a wall.
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 09:08 PM

Been playing phone-tag with one of my fraternity's national officials for almost a week.

Not usually a problem, because fuck those guys, but it's RE: closing our chapter.

:)
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Peopleare harrasing me... grrrrrh.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:14 PM

Goddamn work asking me to stay late AGAIN, like 10 hours a day here isn't eating up enough of my life as it is.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 04:41 PM

So, unless a miracle happens - and preferably really soon - I'll have to leave college. While being one of the best in my course this year, thus not because of any incident caused by me. Had to hand in my quitting notice today, already. I feel like shit. Or worse. Luckily, it's possible to get back in when I can show them I've found a means of paying my studying fees. But that's the big 'if' - unless I can get a student's loan from the bank, I'm screwed. Because my mom dumped the news of not being able to support me anymore today. After telling me she can't repay me the money I worked for the whole summer and which I lent her. Almost all of it. I've just enough left to have my assigments for this term printed. Did I mention already that I feel like shit?

Also, my head aches just from thinking about all of this. And crying. And trying to persuade those who can decide these matters at college to let me get back in when my finances get sorted out.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 05:11 PM

That sucks Puck. I hope it all works out. And that you feel better.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:03 PM

Oh, Puck, that's horrible! :) Will be keeping fingers crossed for you, girl - I hope things will work out all right in the end.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:04 PM

Oh gosh! That's awful. I really hope you can get something worked out.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 09:18 PM

Sorry to hear that Puck and I wish you luck in getting it sorted.

I take it you are in University in Germany ?

How strong is the student's union over there ? I know in UK universities there used to be a student hardship fund that was facilitated by the union and the student liaison dept. As I said I'm not sure about German unis but it might be worth checking out.




Edited for appalling grammar.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 10:01 PM

Thanks, guys. Gosh. I'm going to the bank tomorrow to see if anythign can be done.

View Postmasan, on 28 September 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

Sorry to hear that Puck and I wish you luck in getting it sorted.

I take it you are in University in Germany ?

How strong is the student's union over there ? I know in UK universities there used to be a student hardship fund that was facilitated by the union and the student liaison dept. As I said I'm not sure about German unis but it might be worth checking out.


Yeah, but the student's unions are mostly local. My biggest problem is that I attend a private college. Originally, I went there because it was the nearest to where I live AND one of the few in Germany that have illustration as a seperate course [others have mostly design courses with the option of doing illustration for a term or two]. Another thing was that they have a lot of practical subjects, because it just doesn't make any sense to dump information on art/illustration students without getting them to practise. To sum it up: the perfect place I was looking for. Which is why I really really hope I can find a way to stay.

And I'm not of German nationality and, duh, fall under the handful of paragraphs which are excluded from getting governmental funding.
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 10:20 PM

View PostPuck, on 28 September 2010 - 10:01 PM, said:

Thanks, guys. Gosh. I'm going to the bank tomorrow to see if anythign can be done.



And I'm not of German nationality and, duh, fall under the handful of paragraphs which are excluded from getting governmental funding.


Hmmmm, it might be an idea to take a shotgun and a ski mask to the bank tomorrow.....
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 12:30 AM

1) Sorry Puck.

2) No, no, no. You ALWAYS get a patsy to do it for you.
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bla bla bla

Peopleare harrasing me... grrrrrh.

Also people with big noses aren't jews, they're just french

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 01:12 PM

getting gripped at by the wifey...

but im just probably tired and being a baby...
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 02:19 PM

Puck: That really sukcs. Wish there was something I could do for you...I'll let you sleep in a hammock in my living room if you decide to come to Norway to study. :) We don't have tuition fees and such here...but the costs of living are that much higher...


Also, a grown man, kinda scary-looking, threatrened to break my arm yesterday, not once, but twice! Why, you ask? Because his math book had not arrived yet and he has an exam on Friday. The reason his book, along with around 30 other students' books, has not arrived yet? The publishing house who prints and publishes the book is sold out, so they have to print a whole new stock worth of books, which means all stores and internet shops are also sold out. I can see why him not getting his book is totally my fault, and is something you would break someone's arm over....jeez

I'm sure the guy was "joking" but I do not care for his tone or behaviour...not one bit! Honey gets you a lot further than vinegar, stupid angry man... No books for you, ha!

I should so get a raise for this....five, no ten more strips of bacon a week!
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