[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

Satan, on 12 December 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Miss Savage, on 11 December 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Satan, on 11 December 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Miss Savage, on 11 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Adjutant Stormy, on 11 December 2012 - 06:57 AM, said:

I am not OK.

Really, really not OK.

I need a therapist and some drugs.

What's up?

I wanted to do a snarky comment on the definition of "up", but I really have no idea how to describe it. Direction opposite to down?

Factually correct. It just doesn't sound cool, you know.

This thing kept me up for hours last night. Yes, factually correct, but all in all useless as it's defined by its antonym. Leading me to ask the question, how would one explain the concept of "up" to someone outside the taxonomic structure it is nested? Say, to explain "up" to Yog-Sothoth. Defining "up" as the opposite direction of "down" just forces one to define "down," yielding you only madness and despair (which may be the actual objective of Yog-Sothoth, that impish little bastard).

I got as far as defining "up" as: directions from an arbitrarily defined point or line, running parallel to an abstraction of the direction from your feet to your head.

Then I remembered that Yog-Sothoth have neither feet nor head.

Now that's giving me a headache and I don't know who Yog-Sothoth is neither.
I am rubbish at Maths and my geometric visualisation is practically non-existent, but I think you are right, you need to define a reference system first before you can put in directions, so at the minimum two points that are then connected by a line. A single point is an object with no dimensions hence it's not possible to add directions or dimensions to a point, if i remember correctly.
Try this: Euclid's Elements. Maybe the old hoary Philophiser can help you with this.

[Gothos]

Silencer, on 12 December 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

I feel the burn Obdi, I really do. (No, literally, HEAT! XD)

While I tend to agree with you in principle, being financially responsible I am unable to justify the purchasing of a desktop computer (which I don't really have anywhere to put, regardless) purely for gaming and I need portability, thus laptop.
However, considering that the laptop in question *does* in fact run something like Far Cry 3 on all-medium settings (and said laptop is also a year old), I have to say that gaming on laptops has come a loooong way in recent years. A LONG way. Plus, three-four hours of battery life when doing things like watching videos or surfing the net/word processing. So really I can't complain. It was also my fault for being silly and putting a blanket between me and the laptop, rather than going and sitting at a table. Blankets apparently keep the heat IN the laptop, who would've thunkit? >.>

So yes. Wittiness of the riposte notwithstanding, I'm going to go with "uncalled for" in this particular instance. Though still, in general, I agree.

http://www.razerzone...ems/razer-blade

[Lucifer's Heaven]

Miss Savage, on 12 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Now that's giving me a headache and I don't know who Yog-Sothoth is neither.
I am rubbish at Maths and my geometric visualisation is practically non-existent, but I think you are right, you need to define a reference system first before you can put in directions, so at the minimum two points that are then connected by a line. A single point is an object with no dimensions hence it's not possible to add directions or dimensions to a point, if i remember correctly.
Try this: Euclid's Elements. Maybe the old hoary Philophiser can help you with this.

This whole sort of idea was something I used to wonder about occasionally (but quite a bit on those occasions). Though the hardest and main question I pondered was;
"How do you explain colour to someone who's been blind all their life?"
I have since come up with some examples/ideas, but I've never had cause or chance to try, so I dunno how well they'd work.

I can't remember if Yog Sothoth has feet, but fuck it, it's Lovecraft, even if he did have feet whose to say how many he'd have, or that they'd all be on the same side of him let alone all on the "bottom".
I'd probably describe up with something along the lines of;
The opposite direction (relative to you) to that which you would fall were you "on" something with sufficient gravitational pull to make you "fall". If you have a standard orientation when in such an environment, then work out which direction in relation to yourself you would usually fall from, and that direction is generally referred to as "up" for you.

[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

Lucifer, on 12 December 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Miss Savage, on 12 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Now that's giving me a headache and I don't know who Yog-Sothoth is neither.
I am rubbish at Maths and my geometric visualisation is practically non-existent, but I think you are right, you need to define a reference system first before you can put in directions, so at the minimum two points that are then connected by a line. A single point is an object with no dimensions hence it's not possible to add directions or dimensions to a point, if i remember correctly.
Try this: Euclid's Elements. Maybe the old hoary Philophiser can help you with this.

This whole sort of idea was something I used to wonder about occasionally (but quite a bit on those occasions). Though the hardest and main question I pondered was;
"How do you explain colour to someone who's been blind all their life?"
I have since come up with some examples/ideas, but I've never had cause or chance to try, so I dunno how well they'd work.

I can't remember if Yog Sothoth has feet, but fuck it, it's Lovecraft, even if he did have feet whose to say how many he'd have, or that they'd all be on the same side of him let alone all on the "bottom".
I'd probably describe up with something along the lines of;
The opposite direction (relative to you) to that which you would fall were you "on" something with sufficient gravitational pull to make you "fall". If you have a standard orientation when in such an environment, then work out which direction in relation to yourself you would usually fall from, and that direction is generally referred to as "up" for you.

Not bad. You could use landmarks such as walking up hills or mountains as defining up, or going up-river. Counting up. Piling up.
Second thought- how about using movement of limbs to define up? It doesn't matter how many you have and where they are, but you could determine one state as down, the other one as up, maybe? As conceptual play of thought. With the exception of extendable-only limbs....

Ah. Lovecraft. That explains why I don't know Yog, and I probably won't find out who he is and what he does for some time.... In fact, I will probably die happy not knowing about any of that. It's not that I hate Lovecraft, but I can't read him. Lovecraft scares the light (great typo!) out of me.

This post has been edited by Miss Savage: 12 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

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Adjutant Stormy, on 11 December 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

My life is increasingly devoid of motivation. And most of my distractions are increasingly less fun.

worrywort, on 11 December 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

Does your insurance cover psych help?

Frankly, I think a lot of people feel like that, some can deal with it better than others though. Some turn to religion for answers. In any case: Stormy, ask yourself honestly: Do you think you suffer from a depression? It's normal to go through times like this, but if it is serious, has been going on for a long time, go see somebody, as Worry suggests. Bear in mind that drugs temporarily alleviate symptoms only and have addictive potential too. But there are others more qualified members here, any suggestions?
Edit- there's something called quarter life crisis too, bytheway. It's like a midlife crisis only it hits around 25, obviously. Just FYI.
Before you do something unnecessary, PM me!


....sorry about the double post!

This post has been edited by Miss Savage: 12 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

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Silencer, on 12 December 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

In the "heartstopping moment of horror" category: casually playing Far Cry 3...laptop just stops. No blue screen, no weird errors, it just turns off. *flick* and then nothing. NOT GOOD.

Thankfully, it appears it was just a temporary heat issue (really need to get a cooling pad or something if I'm going to do proper gaming on it, I guess...) but holy shit that was scary. Looks like nothing important was lost, at least...

This is the cooling pad that I use from Zalman, I bought it a few years ago for my old 17 inch Toshiba laptop, but it also works fine for my current 15,6 inch Asus N56VZ.

My brother uses a smaller version for his laptop.

Must say that I hardly use my desktop pc since I've bought my new laptop a few months back, while it won't run the newest games smooth on ultra settings, it runs them great on good settings.

[Gothos]

Only able to interact with new girl through bookface. Fuck's sake I need physicality.

[Illuyankas]

Got new phone, Vodafone site is down so I can't port my old number across, Zune software refuses to install so I can't put my music on the phone, there's no debit card interface for the free 30 day unlimited music download thing via Xbox Live and I don't want or have a credit card so all in all my new phone can go triply fuck itself.

[Satan]

Miss Savage, on 12 December 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

Lucifer, on 12 December 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Miss Savage, on 12 December 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Now that's giving me a headache and I don't know who Yog-Sothoth is neither.
I am rubbish at Maths and my geometric visualisation is practically non-existent, but I think you are right, you need to define a reference system first before you can put in directions, so at the minimum two points that are then connected by a line. A single point is an object with no dimensions hence it's not possible to add directions or dimensions to a point, if i remember correctly.
Try this: Euclid's Elements. Maybe the old hoary Philophiser can help you with this.

This whole sort of idea was something I used to wonder about occasionally (but quite a bit on those occasions). Though the hardest and main question I pondered was;
"How do you explain colour to someone who's been blind all their life?"
I have since come up with some examples/ideas, but I've never had cause or chance to try, so I dunno how well they'd work.

I can't remember if Yog Sothoth has feet, but fuck it, it's Lovecraft, even if he did have feet whose to say how many he'd have, or that they'd all be on the same side of him let alone all on the "bottom".
I'd probably describe up with something along the lines of;
The opposite direction (relative to you) to that which you would fall were you "on" something with sufficient gravitational pull to make you "fall". If you have a standard orientation when in such an environment, then work out which direction in relation to yourself you would usually fall from, and that direction is generally referred to as "up" for you.

Not bad. You could use landmarks such as walking up hills or mountains as defining up, or going up-river. Counting up. Piling up.
Second thought- how about using movement of limbs to define up? It doesn't matter how many you have and where they are, but you could determine one state as down, the other one as up, maybe? As conceptual play of thought. With the exception of extendable-only limbs....

Ah. Lovecraft. That explains why I don't know Yog, and I probably won't find out who he is and what he does for some time.... In fact, I will probably die happy not knowing about any of that. It's not that I hate Lovecraft, but I can't read him. Lovecraft scares the light (great typo!) out of me.

Ahh. That's a deficiency in my definition: external markers and gravity. Trouble with this, though, is the relativity of the term "up." Say you're head down in a pool looking at a map. Up relative your surroundings would be from head to feet. But up on the map it would still be feet to head. A more complete definition should probably be a mix of the two.

And Yog-Sothoth is outside time and space (yet still immanent to every point of it in some way or another), making explaining "up" very much like explaining colour to a blind person. I can't remember who it was (Kant?) that said space and time was integral to our our understanding of everything. I suppose it's hubris to think we'd solve something like that on a forum dedicated to a fantasy book series, but hey, I do like my sinning!

This post has been edited by Satan: 13 December 2012 - 08:40 AM

[Obdigore]

People who think right-to-work laws are good for anyone, ever.

[Gothos]

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I can't remember if Yog Sothoth has feet, but fuck it, it's Lovecraft, even if he did have feet whose to say how many he'd have, ...

It has as many as it wants to have.
Or none at all.

At the same time.


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[A Demon Llama!]

Have group presentations tomorrow morning and no one other than me has their work completed. Now I will have to wake up 3 hours eariler just so eveyone can bring their frakken work and we can have fun scrambling and placing work into the presentation. Fuck. I specifically said I want ppl to be completed today night so we don't have to do this shit again. I hate hurrying. Also importing/exporting digital files ALWAYS takes longer than it should and there's always problems.

[worry]

Fire them immediately.

[Obdigore]

worrywort, on 14 December 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Fire them immediately.

Do this, then do the entire presentation yourself. When asked where the rest of your group is, tell whoever is asking that they are morons and slackers and you did it all yourself. Victory is assured.

[HiddenOne]

about to have a meeting with clients wherein I shall state that I am tired of worrying about running their business for them, while they sit at home, without adequate compensation

Any advice from the peanut gallery?

Edit: commas are good

This post has been edited by HiddenOne: 14 December 2012 - 04:28 PM

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HiddenOne, on 14 December 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

about to have a meeting with clients wherein I shall state that I am tired of worrying about running their business for them, while they sit at home, without adequate compensation

Any advice from the peanut gallery?

"My contribution to this enterprise is, i believe, important to its success to date and in the future. despite my enjoyment of this position, I am concerned that the degree of my efforts are significantly in excess of the compensation i am receiving. Individuals doing the same work in a different organization are making $XXXX (have this number ready, a range would be better, a specific competitor would be best). I am happy to continue working in this role, however my view is that it will be necessary to raise my compensation to a level that reflects my contribution, or revise my duties to better reflect my current compensation. If neither of those options are acceptable to you, than i would be pleased to hear your suggestions today or in the next few days on how we should move forward. In the alternative, kiss my ass you exploitive luddite slugs i am so out of here consider this two weeks notice and don't expect sweet fuckall from me until then and you smell and your mothers dress you funny ATTICA ATTICA!!!!!!!!!"

...and then throw peanuts at them.

[Gust Hubb]

Hungry and nervous.

[Tiste Simeon]

Holy crap, Conneticut... Tragic

[worry]

The weirdest things make you hungry, GH. I for one am saddened by the news BK mentions. It's apparently the second-worst such event, at least in the modern US. The pictures, naturally of people crying including confused little kids, are pretty heart-rending.