[Puck]

My neighbour. I'm oozing thoughts of murder from every pore. And I can't even do anything, because she's mentally ill and confronting her about what it is she keeps throwing against the wall won't do anything. And the landlord's not been reacting to our calls.

[worry]

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

[amphibian]

worrywort, on 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

So many things about what happened there and with the coverage of it disgust me. Sikhs don't hurt people and are almost always really cool people.

[Studious Lock]

i missed a birthday hangout, 2 days before my birthday

[Gust Hubb]

Studious Lock, on 05 August 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

i missed a birthday hangout, 2 days before my birthday

We can do another one next weekend or so SL. We like hanging out .

[Shiara]

Outlook has fallen over at work, so I can't do anything with any of the connected programs, can't access the incident reference numbers to ask Tech Support where they are with certain jobs, can't even look staff numbers up in the global directory or chat to others through Office Communicator. STUPID OUTLOOK.

[Tsundoku]

amphibian, on 05 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

worrywort, on 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

So many things about what happened there and with the coverage of it disgust me. Sikhs don't hurt people and are almost always really cool people.

While Sikhs aren't any more likely to hurt other people randomly (and maybe less), they are actually considered a warrior culture, with a very proud history of battle honours. Indeed, the Kirpan (a sharp thing that comes in various sizes) is part of their "5 K's" articles of dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh

Check out the story of the "21 Sikhs", a la Badass ...

http://www.badassoft...om/21sikhs.html

[Macros]

back to work tomorrow, why can't I just win the lottery?

[Tsundoku]

Macros, on 06 August 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

back to work tomorrow, why can't I just win the lottery?

What he said.

[pathos]

Blind 3rd umpires

[QuickTidal]

Sombra, on 06 August 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

amphibian, on 05 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

worrywort, on 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

So many things about what happened there and with the coverage of it disgust me. Sikhs don't hurt people and are almost always really cool people.

While Sikhs aren't any more likely to hurt other people randomly (and maybe less), they are actually considered a warrior culture, with a very proud history of battle honours. Indeed, the Kirpan (a sharp thing that comes in various sizes) is part of their "5 K's" articles of dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh

Check out the story of the "21 Sikhs", a la Badass ...

http://www.badassoft...om/21sikhs.html

Is the point of these links and info (which is not exactly correct anyways) to defend the idiot who did the shooting? I find that distasteful.

Every religion has zealots.

To say that Sikhism is a warrior culture in this day and age, assumes that Christian's are as militant as their Crusade's historical counterparts. Or that all Muslim's are warlike zealots who desire Jihad. These things are patently untrue. They are also hurtful to society at large as stereotypes to keep perpetuating.

The word Sikh actually means disciple, or student. The culture is NOT one of warrior. You misunderstand it. Sikhs believe in the equality of humankind, the concept of universal brotherhood of man and One Supreme God. I went to highschool with a number of Sikh's, all of whom are as average as you or I. Not one of them or their families were ever in any way anything but TOTALLY nice and excellent people.

Sorry Sombra...your post is propaganda-ish at best, and it rankled me...

Calling Sikhism a "warrior" religion is...incorrect. You need to study up on it more.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 06 August 2012 - 01:39 PM

[Shiara]

QuickTidal, on 06 August 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Sombra, on 06 August 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

amphibian, on 05 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

worrywort, on 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

So many things about what happened there and with the coverage of it disgust me. Sikhs don't hurt people and are almost always really cool people.

While Sikhs aren't any more likely to hurt other people randomly (and maybe less), they are actually considered a warrior culture, with a very proud history of battle honours. Indeed, the Kirpan (a sharp thing that comes in various sizes) is part of their "5 K's" articles of dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh

Check out the story of the "21 Sikhs", a la Badass ...

http://www.badassoft...om/21sikhs.html

Is the point of these links and info (which is not exactly correct anyways) to defend the idiot who did the shooting? I find that distasteful.

Every religion has zealots.

To say that Sikhism is a warrior culture in this day and age, assumes that Christian's are as militant as their Crusade's historical counterparts. Or that all Muslim's are warlike zealots who desire Jihad. These things are patently untrue. They are also hurtful to society at large as stereotypes to keep perpetuating.

The word Sikh actually means disciple, or student. The culture is NOT one of warrior. You misunderstand it. Sikhs believe in the equality of humankind, the concept of universal brotherhood of man and One Supreme God. I went to highschool with a number of Sikh's, all of whom are as average as you or I. Not one of them or their families were ever in any way anything but TOTALLY nice and excellent people.

Sorry Sombra...your post is propaganda-ish at best, and it rankled me...

Calling Sikhism a "warrior" religion is...incorrect. You need to study up on it more.

He was in no way defending the shootings, jeez. I took it more as additional info on a religion that I, personally, had never heard of before today. And Sombie is totally the kind of guy who would see the whole warrior culture beginnings as awesome, rather than it being an acceptable excuse to gun a few of them down.

[Tapper]

QuickTidal, on 06 August 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Sombra, on 06 August 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

amphibian, on 05 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

worrywort, on 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Someone shot up a Sikh temple near Milwaukee. Then he shot the first cop who arrived. Then the shooter was shot to death by other police. And nobody at CNN knows what a Sikh is (temple was referred to as a Sikh "church" initially), which isn't surprising giving that CNN's staff is made up of large-ish toadstools who were animated through the dark arts.

So many things about what happened there and with the coverage of it disgust me. Sikhs don't hurt people and are almost always really cool people.

While Sikhs aren't any more likely to hurt other people randomly (and maybe less), they are actually considered a warrior culture, with a very proud history of battle honours. Indeed, the Kirpan (a sharp thing that comes in various sizes) is part of their "5 K's" articles of dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh

Check out the story of the "21 Sikhs", a la Badass ...

http://www.badassoft...om/21sikhs.html

Is the point of these links and info (which is not exactly correct anyways) to defend the idiot who did the shooting? I find that distasteful.

Every religion has zealots.

To say that Sikhism is a warrior culture in this day and age, assumes that Christian's are as militant as their Crusade's historical counterparts. Or that all Muslim's are warlike zealots who desire Jihad. These things are patently untrue. They are also hurtful to society at large as stereotypes to keep perpetuating.

The word Sikh actually means disciple, or student. The culture is NOT one of warrior. You misunderstand it. Sikhs believe in the equality of humankind, the concept of universal brotherhood of man and One Supreme God. I went to highschool with a number of Sikh's, all of whom are as average as you or I. Not one of them or their families were ever in any way anything but TOTALLY nice and excellent people.

Sorry Sombra...your post is propaganda-ish at best, and it rankled me...

Calling Sikhism a "warrior" religion is...incorrect. You need to study up on it more.

In Sombie's defense: he doesn't call Sikhism a warrior religion. He calls it a warrior culture. Which is a massive difference. And it is historically true that the British Army has seen a large number of Sikh regiments, far more than their share amongst the Indian population warranted. Apparently, roughly 20% of the Indian Army consisted of Sikhs. They are only 2% of the population of the Indian continent. Combine that with the fact that the Sikhs ruled an Empire based on a strict military dominance that took a while before it was subjugated by the Brits and I for one have absolutely no beef with saying that the Sikhs have a military heritage, just like you might say about the Gurkha's.

That their religion is a peaceful one has literally nothing to do with it. Confucianism is inherently peaceful. Didn't stop the Chinese from warring against each other for several thousands of years. Any christian faith preaches peace - and isn't christianity the faith that just about every single American president actively has to support in order to stand a chance for the office, and which was a uniting characteristic of European statesmen as well? Didn't stop the West from fighting two world wars and several other conflicts, and that's just in the past century.

All in all, it seems fairly probable to say that 99% of those who fought and died or fought and lived were probably very decent, nice, peaceful, dependable, friendly people.
Perhaps not in the least because decent, dependable, responsible, calm and comradely are also trademarks of a very good soldier.

[Lady Bliss]

My VPN crapped out this morning and had to drive into Dallas to work...

[QuickTidal]

The referee calls in the Olympic Women's soccer CAN VS USA was a fucking travesty and a joke...two erroneously bad calls by shitty referee and Canada loses to a US team that spends a lot of time playing dirty. Claasssy.

Groove messed with.

[QuickTidal]

Tapper, on 06 August 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

In Sombie's defense: he doesn't call Sikhism a warrior religion. He calls it a warrior culture. Which is a massive difference. And it is historically true that the British Army has seen a large number of Sikh regiments, far more than their share amongst the Indian population warranted. Apparently, roughly 20% of the Indian Army consisted of Sikhs. They are only 2% of the population of the Indian continent. Combine that with the fact that the Sikhs ruled an Empire based on a strict military dominance that took a while before it was subjugated by the Brits and I for one have absolutely no beef with saying that the Sikhs have a military heritage, just like you might say about the Gurkha's.

That their religion is a peaceful one has literally nothing to do with it. Confucianism is inherently peaceful. Didn't stop the Chinese from warring against each other for several thousands of years. Any christian faith preaches peace - and isn't christianity the faith that just about every single American president actively has to support in order to stand a chance for the office, and which was a uniting characteristic of European statesmen as well? Didn't stop the West from fighting two world wars and several other conflicts, and that's just in the past century.

All in all, it seems fairly probable to say that 99% of those who fought and died or fought and lived were probably very decent, nice, peaceful, dependable, friendly people.
Perhaps not in the least because decent, dependable, responsible, calm and comradely are also trademarks of a very good soldier.

In my defense being Sikh isn't a CULTURE...it's a religion. Just like Hindu is ALSO an Indian religion. Indian culture is not informed by ONE of it's religions.

Sorry, nice try Tapper.

Anyways, I'm sure Sombra didn't mean it in a bad way, but it was a poorly timed comment on his part in my eyes, and I'd just woken up.

There was simply zero reason to bring it up in reference to a bunch of Sikh's being shot by a white supremacist.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 06 August 2012 - 09:41 PM

[Loki]

QT - My experience says Tapper wins this round. I had several Hindu friends and they NEVER thought of it as a religion. Being a Hindu was a way of life for them. Far more involved then just their beliefs. They would also mention their history, art, music etc. My friend Parth did a class talk on the subject. He, and my other Hindu friends, viewed it as their culture. One that involved many aspects including a belief system and I'm more inclined to take their interpretation on their own lives than that of an outside observer.

[amphibian]

Briar King, on 06 August 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 06 August 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

The referee calls in the Olympic Women's soccer CAN VS USA was a fucking travesty and a joke...two erroneously bad calls by shitty referee and Canada loses to a US team that spends a lot of time playing dirty. Claasssy.

Groove messed with.

This was today? Our coverage didnt include this yet Stateside.

MSNBC played it live on TV, but I watched the BBC stream the entire time (including Japan/France, which was very fun too).

The referee wasn't that bad. She gave the US a few calls here and there (one tough call on a corner/goal kick comes to mind), but she let a ton of Canadian stuff go as well. Cheney had her jersey held so badly that it was almost taken off her in an accidental Brandi Chastain moment. I thought the referee was better than the one in the France/Japan game.

Japan is going to work the US in the finals. They're a better team.

[Centzon Totochtin]

you know when you find a whole heap of work that someone said they did, but didn't actually do, and now they are gone so you have to do it? That is my day

[Tapper]

QuickTidal, on 06 August 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Tapper, on 06 August 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

In Sombie's defense: he doesn't call Sikhism a warrior religion. He calls it a warrior culture. Which is a massive difference. And it is historically true that the British Army has seen a large number of Sikh regiments, far more than their share amongst the Indian population warranted. Apparently, roughly 20% of the Indian Army consisted of Sikhs. They are only 2% of the population of the Indian continent. Combine that with the fact that the Sikhs ruled an Empire based on a strict military dominance that took a while before it was subjugated by the Brits and I for one have absolutely no beef with saying that the Sikhs have a military heritage, just like you might say about the Gurkha's.

That their religion is a peaceful one has literally nothing to do with it. Confucianism is inherently peaceful. Didn't stop the Chinese from warring against each other for several thousands of years. Any christian faith preaches peace - and isn't christianity the faith that just about every single American president actively has to support in order to stand a chance for the office, and which was a uniting characteristic of European statesmen as well? Didn't stop the West from fighting two world wars and several other conflicts, and that's just in the past century.

All in all, it seems fairly probable to say that 99% of those who fought and died or fought and lived were probably very decent, nice, peaceful, dependable, friendly people.
Perhaps not in the least because decent, dependable, responsible, calm and comradely are also trademarks of a very good soldier.

In my defense being Sikh isn't a CULTURE...it's a religion. Just like Hindu is ALSO an Indian religion. Indian culture is not informed by ONE of it's religions.

Sorry, nice try Tapper.

Anyways, I'm sure Sombra didn't mean it in a bad way, but it was a poorly timed comment on his part in my eyes, and I'd just woken up.

There was simply zero reason to bring it up in reference to a bunch of Sikh's being shot by a white supremacist.

Dude, I split culture and religion - see the underlined, bolded, italicized sentence, and all you now do is "it's not a culture, it is a religion, nernernener, I'm right, you're wrong, nice try?" That's a bit cheap, isn't it?

Anyhow, Hinduism has a caste system that influences any society in which it is present thoroughly (and does so even in diaspora, or in western society), including influencing who can marry whom, who can go where, who can be judged by whom. In other words: cultural and social implications.
Sikhs don't have a caste system and go one further by preaching equality between men and women. In other words, distinctions on a cultural/ social level.

So, even though Sikhism is a religious belief (which I never denied), that does not preclude the fact that Sikhs (who are also predominantly found in a certain geographical area in the Indian subcontinent, the Punjab, and amongst certain tribes there) can have a particular mindset and/or culture (in this case a culture that makes them martially proficient through their value system) in addition to/ influenced by their religion. I really don't see why you feel the need to deny that. Religion =/= culture. But one can have a certain religion and a culture shaped by and connected with it.
Sikhism has social implications of such a kind that one might consider it different from any other social system/ culture in the sub-continent that it co-exists with. A quick wiki search (while it remains selective quotage by non-scientists) seems to show that (some) anthropologists agree, at the very least up to a point, that Sikhs are an ethno-religious group with a distinct own identity.

While I fully agree that there was very little reference to connect the shootings to Sombra's link, I didn't (and don't) agree with the remainder of your post. Sikhs can be said to have a martial heritage/ culture, even though Sikhism's root is a religion.

And that's pretty much all I ever want to say on the subject