[Abyss]

@Fist Gamet - re: Temper - him not realizing just how good he is was one of the things i loved about that character. The bit towards the end where Kiska watched him take on Possum and another Claw, and then we reread the same scene from his perspective, really made that point.

@Korik - re: patronship - i took patronship to mean a link between the warrior and the power behind him, god or otherwise. Much was made of Surger being a 'patroned champion', and when Temper stood against him, Ferrule later mentioned that people were wondering whether he was hiding a patron.

Re: Talons - i'm pretty sure the Shadow Cult existed before Dancer showed up and took it over. Pralt mentioned that the island belonged to them under the Shadow Moon for one night every hundred years or so, implying a longer existance than the Malazan Empire. My guess is that Dancer took over the cult to secure the link to shadow. He developed the Talons separately, altho apparently with some links. Curiously, some of Surly's Claws apparently joined the Cult, but did not become Talons.

Re: Edgewalker - hmmm.... interesting that some of you thought he was Tiste.

- Abyss, thought he was Jimmy Hoffa.

[fan_83]

Imp HIst: there has been plenty of hints dropped regarding the skill and power of daseemm.. so its not so surprising..
after all hes said to have grown enough in power to rival hood;s and he is teh malazan empire first sword after all... with a mage as powerful as tay and an assasin as good as dancer.. why would you think hes worthy of being called first sword..

but still hes cool...

can;t wait to see if hes traveller

[kaf09]

Just regarding a throwaway comment in HoC, regarding the the relationship of Thyr and Tellan. The Queen of Dreams (T'riss) mentioned something along the lines of Thyr and Tellan being ever aligned (the inference, for mine, was towards Tattersail's postion as the new Imass bonecaster).

[fan_83]

there is the curious fact about the janghut, jhenna

she seems to be the reluctat guardian of deadhouse...and yet she let kellanved, dancer, surly, tay and co to stay in deadhouse without her being mentioned by any of the old guards... weird....

also temper seems to be a very powerful individual and he didn;t injure rood.. like he said the damage he did was equivilant to that of a wasp sting...

and his helmet is a very distinctive one.. I assumed that dancer rescued him due to recognition to the helmet and not the man...

and can we assume that temper has now become the new guardian of deadhouse with lubben ??

also how come the ice scpectres weren;t mentioned in the later books ? were they extinct by then ?? and how did tay know about osserc levle of power ? as he said that something is holding hte main force of the attack back and letting the leftover be handled by obo and argyle... and we know that its kellanved.....

so we can therefore conclude the long running debate of who is more powerful.. rake of tay..

rake = osserc.

osserc >>>>> tay

hmmm

[cauthon]

I've added an ICE article to the wikipedia -- feel free to add to it.

[kaf09]

Just regarding Dassem, it was quite an eye-opener in NoK to learn that he and Skinner of the Avowed has already crossed swords.

A question regarding Kiska's (later) identity - she seemed likely to have a brilliant career ahead of her as Tayschrenn's protege. But I can't think of a likely candidate among the mages and assassins and adepts we've met so far in the Erikson books. The only one who could vaguely fit the bill is Blend, one of the last survivors of the Bridgeburners, but I'm unsatisfied. Am I missing someone or something obvious? Of course it's conceivable that we simply haven't been introduced to Kiska yet as an higher echelon operative of Tayschrenn.

[vaiski]

quote:

Originally posted by Hetan:
but the rest does fit

Yup
Dassem with Rake's sword.. ahh I hope he goes after Laseen.

[kaf09]

@IH, you're right...The "fire" may have occurred after Dassem and his Sword were hors de combat. I cannot recall if the clash with Gryllen occurred "with the empire in Kellanved's time" or with Kellanved in person (my copy of DG is boxed up ready for moving). Of course, we still really have no idea of the timeline. When was 7 cities conquered? Aren (closest to Quon Tali? and the empire's centre) may have been conquered early in the emperor's reign. Hence the later Aren "rebellion" directly after which the Bridgeburners were formed and which clearly precedes Night of Knives. Did the assault on Y'Ghatan (correct spelling for once) represent a reconquest or the 1st conquest of that city by the empire?

So many questions. Anyway at least the circumstances of Dassem's assault on Y'Ghatan answers some of the vexing questions posed in the other forums, viz. why is there no longer a 1st sword? (because Surly wouldn't tolerate such a rival!) and I think it's fairly certain now who is Traveller (as someone remarked earlier and no prizes for guessing who).

[Morgoth]

quote:

Originally posted by Vaiski:

quote:

Originally posted by Hetan:
These sound more like a Tiste race characterisitic?

True. Was it male or female ? Cant remember...
Phaed or Nimander perhaps ?

I can't really imagine one of Anomander's children as a follower of the cult of shadow...

[Rich the Great]

quote:

Originally posted by Imperial Historian:
That's always puzzled me to, tatersails warren isnt so different from thyr, she wields telas which is surely simmilar light/fire? Personally i think it would make more sense if the warren anathema to her own was hairlocks, chaos, tays, thyr, doesn't make much sense...

I thought Tattersail was thyr, and Tayschrenn telas. Although, my personal theory is that because telas and thyr are so alike, that two positives, as it were, repel each other.

[Abyss]

I don't see how Corinn could be T'sail. Corinn has tattoos and was a bridegburner cadre mage, and was in Malaz at Ash's plan when NoK goes down.

Tattersail was a fifth [?] army cadre mage, no tattoos, and Laseen's purge of the magic in Malaz has already happened by NoK.

As an aside, Kellanved's reliance on Bridgeburner vets to back him up against Laseen says much about why Laseen may have been trying to kill the BBs off in GotM.

- Abyss, feels so special with all this knowledge.

[gyrehead]

Thanks korik, I didn't think we had seen him "on stage" prior to this (well openly as Ferrule) but I was not sure if there had been a mention of him at some point.