Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)

#641 Guest_Serc_*

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:17 PM

If you think I am BB/UB, vote for me.

I have answered the whole healer/liar thing, and still maintain I am right. :Rodeo:

Mockra has 'some suspicions' on me, but has not actually said anything, so I figured I am 50/50 to get vigged tonight.

I agree that there wasn't much for Fener, but that is the case, he is keeping his nose extremely clean, and Barghast is avoiding him.

As for Liosan, I don't really get the case on him, since you can make the same case for HP, Fener, Gamelon, Barghast... and maybe Galain.

Telas is suddenly suspicious of numerous people, I threw up what kind of case I could, and it agrees with the 'case' Liosan put up, there isn't anything there that is suspicious, and he seems to be trying to contribute and work towards an inno win.

If you guys don't want to lynch Gamelon today, that is fine, but there needs to be a better case built on other people if you expect to get some vote changes, and it seems that noone but me and shadow are even trying to build cases...

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:20 PM

Serc;375521 said:

Well then D'riss, find a 'better' target for a lynch.

I built cases on Barghast and Fener, but noone has so much as commented on them (except for Barghast a little bit).

I personally don't think ending day 2 without a lynch is a good idea, so who do YOU think should be lynched, D'riss?

Serc, I also built a similar case on Fener, so I didn't see the need to confirm yours. At this time a Fener or HP lynch would be fine with me. Neither have been helping, while seeming to be trying to be helpful and both have had ample time to speculate on the game thus far. However, having said that, if no consensus can be reached on who we vote for, I believe we should lynch Gameleon, if for no other reason than to keep BB from shifting into him, allowing him to fly by to the end. So in summarry, I think either HP or Fener is BB and thats who we should lynch today.

My vote stays until the rest of you sound off on this.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:22 PM

Serc;375534 said:

If you think I am BB/UB, vote for me.

If you guys don't want to lynch Gamelon today, that is fine, but there needs to be a better case built on other people if you expect to get some vote changes, and it seems that noone but me and shadow are even trying to build cases...

You also left out the picture talk from today from your case on Telas...

But since you ask for it:

vote Serc,

because I think you are scum trying to dominate the debate and steer people around through it. Removing dissonant people (Tennes) suits your purpose for continued verbal dominance, as well...

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:25 PM

...The vigs hit Tennes, but I suppose I could have as well had I been BB, but then we start getting into Wifom territory.

There you go, feel better?

Shadow said:

Let me go look at HP. Will be back.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:28 PM

Serc;375538 said:

...The vigs hit Tennes, but I suppose I could have as well had I been BB, but then we start getting into Wifom territory.

There you go, feel better?

Unlike some, I'm not scared of stepping into WIFOM territory. Mafia is a language based game where you play the people... It isn't maths.

Second-guessing motives and reactions is a significant part of the game...

Tennes was opposing you heavily, sending in an order to kill him that close to the deadline is plausible...

The coincidence of hitting the same person as the vigs is then an incident. Incidents happen.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:32 PM

Hoods Path. 19 posts.

The first 9 are fluff.

Hoods Path said:

If you ARE the finder, and revealing Omtose as your partner, then what we shouldn't do is lynch one of you as the BB would kill of the other one. This assuming your "reveal" is accurate. But what if you're pulling our legs? Anybody thinking that Mockra ISN'T the finder? Not that the "true" finders, if any are going to reveal themselves. Not that I'm saying I'm a finder. Quoting The Shawshank Redemption:
Everybody in here's innocent.

Mockra had said nothing about being a finder at this point. Neither had Omtose.

Hoods Path said:

Yes, it does seem that Ruse is a BB or UB, what with revealing Mockra's 'code'. Going on that basis,
Vote Ruse
Hope my judgment is right, and that's me out for today. Dammit, I reckon I'm the lowest poster. Fucking parents making me do house chores.

More 'I'm not posting much because of RL'.
And then all the rest of his posts are guesses at pictures or fluff.

2 posts, one assuming that the lovers we know about are finders and the other voting. That is Hoods' entire contribution.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:33 PM

Let the paranoia begin!

D said:

Removing dissonant people (Tennes) suits your purpose for continued verbal dominance, as well...

Was this intentional D'riss? Sorry but it seems to me like you are trying to hang Serc by strawmanning. GUFAW!!!!! :Rodeo:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:35 PM

D said:

Or the real BB knew you would think that and is so setting me up.
And then if I was BB I would know I could claim that and so did it anyway.
And then the real BB would know you might claim that and so is setting me up deeper...
and so on and so forth.

Honestly, the way a lot of you are playing disgusts me. I understand if you have a role and are lurking so you don't lose that role for the inno's, but come on, hanging the highest/most content posters because 'they are trying to lead the game' is silly, and leads to dead mafia games. If you had played a lot of games, you would know that.

That isn't just at you either, D'riss.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:36 PM

D said:

Unlike some, I'm not scared of stepping into WIFOM territory.

According to Omtose you should be, my friend, of corse I happen to agree with you that WIFOM happens and shouldn't be construed as scummy, but a word of caution none the less.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:39 PM

D said:

The coincidence of hitting the same person as the vigs is then an incident. Incidents happen.

Yes they do in the last game 2 people went after the same person. Incidents happen a lot actually.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:41 PM

@ Serc: And who's to say that there isn't high-posting scum to lead us around, either?
You also forget that we have two CIs up until the first lynch of BB... who are thus in a position where they currently can't have secondary motives unlike an unknown quantity like you...

@ Shadow: it needs to be balanced with healthy reasoning. But it is a valuable tool, if only for imagining the various 'what if?' scenarios.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:45 PM

It is day 2, a bit less than 10 hours left in the day

13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night

1 vote Liosan (Omtose)
5 votes Gamelon (Telas, Shadow, Gamelon, Serc, Kaschan)
1 vote Serc (D'riss)

6 have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Galain, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:45 PM

D said:

I never said that high posters couldn't be scum. I said people that lurk and barely post anything disgust me. It is an annoying way of playing, partially because it works and partially because I can't do it :Rodeo:

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We do have two Confirmed Innos until BB dies. Of course both of them don't seem to be saying jack-shit in the thread, at least not when I am around.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:48 PM

I'm somewhat disappointed currently by Omtose's extended absence.

Mockra was around at several times though... As for low-posters... apart from HP there aren't 1-post-a-day-players in this game... so far. A lot of fluff, but no people with single digit post numbers.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:50 PM

HP has 19... I think that both Fener and Barghast are right around those numbers.

I don't really count fluff posts, especially when they are just'here I am', 'im out', 'hahahaha' as actual posts.

What do you think of the 'cases' against Fener, Barghast, and HP?
(No, I'm not trying to divert attention, I would just like some comments on those.)

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:50 PM

D said:

As a small note (and to piss him off) Fener was at 9 posts 48 hours into the game. :grrm:

By the way, I like smiley's

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:58 PM

Hey shadow, I think the only real low-poster I havn't done a case on is Liosan, right?

I am going to go build one on him, if there is someone else, let me know.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 07:04 PM

Dont suppose a post count is possible.

Also I dont see any reason to hang the highest posters. The fact is, some people have more time than others, so can post more.

WIFOM features to some degree or other in almost all cases. Most cases take evidence and say "if he was the killer, doing this is to his advantage because..." etc. You cant avoid it.

The fener case is rather weak. I wanted a reaction, didnt get one, and he hasnt posted much. The thing i prodded over isnt worth a lynch, and he didnt over-react, so other than "low-posting" there isnt much. And lots of others are guilty of that.

Shadow seems to have left the limelight today rather, so id prefer to hear what people still think of him.

Also you Serc.

Although the way you're playing isnt irritating me as much now. Perhaps because you've toned it down from pressure, or because ive just got used to it.

Oh yeah, there seemed to be a bit of suspicion on D'riss earlier, but im unable to go back and find it atm, so could anyone quickly summarize it for me?

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 07:06 PM

Did i not just say i had a Shit day at work? You can't deny my RL claims. So i bite my thumb at you sir's who question our lack of commitment. So... Anybody else think that day two is a perfect day to silence yourself? Ever since telas refused to vote for ruse i've been suspect of him. He seemed like someone who didn't want to be on a train... Why? Because trains are the first place to look.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 07:06 PM

Liosan has 19 posts... tied for lowest I think.

Fluff Fluff Fluff, then this

Liosan said:

I am interpreting that as: Kaschan thinks it's possible that Fener is UB due to the silencing pm mentioning that UB doesn't like the Kaschan alt.

Lets hear what Fener has to say.

Shadow and Omtose seems to have hit it off, squabbling like a married couple. Both arguments are pretty weak, as most day 1 arguments are. And we have introduced a new concept (or not so new, depending how you see it) in mafia. Neat.

General game update, no real original content...
Fluff Fluff Fluff

Liosan said:

Well it's hard to be sure about anything, since it (obviously) can be someone that hasn't been present in the discussions at all. Or the person has been covering himself by actually taking part in the discussion.

We need to look for scummy play imho. Guessing on some random principle won't do it.
Also, we have revealed roled players that might provide us with an answer.

That is after the NK... telling us what we should look for, but not doing anything himself. Liosan then puts up the 'telas case', where he says 'nothing to see here'...
Fluff, Fluff, ' I want an explanation from Fener', then this

Liosan said:

Omtose said:

I don't think that your conclusion on Telas was wrong, just that the way you presented it looks like someone who desperately wants to appear to be contributing.

In response to all you points 1 through 4. I didn't say there was anything wrong with going through someone's posts and finding nothing. I said that the way you quoted a pile of his posts, didn't comment on the content of any of them and ended of saying that you thought none of what you quoted was scummy is indicative of someone who wants very much to look like they're contributing more than they actually are.

That is not wifom.

It's not a secret that I want to contribute, since I desperately want to survive this game. I don't understand what you're getting at.

Then he posts this

Liosan said:

Shadow said:

Liosan, by contributing, Omtose(and I, I suppose) means that you need to find someone you think is guilty and then present a case using their posts to show why you think that they are scum. Instead you posted a seemingly random case on a seemingly random player, and found that they might not be scum. This isn't contributing, because by doing this you may clear a possibe evil.

Allright, but there's more people than me analyzing people and not finding much. Except they make it sound oh so suspicious. But apparently I didn't make myself clear, I never discarded the possibility that Telas is evil. For instance I mentioned in my post about him that he has played 'smoothly'. That could easily be seen as flying under the radar. I'm just not drawing any rash conclusions about it.

That is his defense about his telas case, and him saying that he is trying to participate but dosen't know how. Then there is 2 more Fluff posts, and that is his participation in its entirety.

Frankly, unless given some reason not to, I would be willing to hang:
Gamelon, HP, Liosan, Barghast, Fener in that order.

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