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Back. Just did a quick catch up.
@Mockra. I said I was glad I knew what you were, because it was irritating me not knowing mainly. I was unhappy because it reduced the chance of paired finders, which I would have preffered to vigs(no offence).
I reckon Gamelon is refusing to defend because it stops people picking apart his arguments. Its worked before, just people refusing to post and avoiding lynching.
Voting for yourself is just pain aggravating, it annoys me to no end, and is a tactic I despise.
So for now:
Vote Gamelon
We cant take back the vig, so theres no point complaining over it. Tennes was being rather suspicious, and obnoxious. Its supicious, and leads me to wonder if you're just so upset because they hit UB or something. After all, we were told that someone would be silenced even if he was hit in the night. You're over-reacting.
Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)
#622 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:17 PM
Telas.
Why are you faking it?
Do you want lynched?
Or something similar.
Also, i think hes just hoping that because hes not posting it will give people doubts over time, as hes not here to argue against, or defend himself, so his defense cant have holes picked in it, and people will start doubting themselves.
Im on a slow computer atm, so if im asked a question please give me a lot of time to reply. This will also mean if you post and i post it will probably be in reply to something a while ago, so i'll try to remember to adress it to whoever its at.
If im just repeating stuff in a cross post, sorry.
Why are you faking it?
Do you want lynched?
Or something similar.
Also, i think hes just hoping that because hes not posting it will give people doubts over time, as hes not here to argue against, or defend himself, so his defense cant have holes picked in it, and people will start doubting themselves.
Im on a slow computer atm, so if im asked a question please give me a lot of time to reply. This will also mean if you post and i post it will probably be in reply to something a while ago, so i'll try to remember to adress it to whoever its at.
If im just repeating stuff in a cross post, sorry.
#623 Guest_Gamelon_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:24 PM
Gamelon;375082 said:
Well the day was wearing down and I was watching both the time and the vote count.
Does someone have to ask me what my thoughts are before I can post them or put pressure on me to get me to vote?
As you have already pointed out I was watching the proceedings carefully. I was on at the same time as Ruse earlier in the day and expected him to come on and defend himself.
Wasn't my heated debate, why would I want to get pulled into a pissing contest. Plus when I posted earlier nobody every said anything, cause you all were to busy yelling at each other.
I missed the Shadow post were he says that. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Nice to see that some people think alike.
None of your stupid pissing contest interested me enough to get involved in them. If you really think that pissing contests are constructive then you need to go back and read the 26 previous mafia's. Pissing contest are 90% of the time a complete waste of time. Right now I am waiting to see if someone new has been silenced. If no one is and no one get's silenced again tomorrow then I am thinking that Yellow/ruse was probably UB. Of course that will only work if no one gets silenced for today and tomorrow. I can't imagine someone have that power and not using it two days in a row.
As for you case against me, straw man.
Does someone have to ask me what my thoughts are before I can post them or put pressure on me to get me to vote?
As you have already pointed out I was watching the proceedings carefully. I was on at the same time as Ruse earlier in the day and expected him to come on and defend himself.
Wasn't my heated debate, why would I want to get pulled into a pissing contest. Plus when I posted earlier nobody every said anything, cause you all were to busy yelling at each other.
I missed the Shadow post were he says that. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Nice to see that some people think alike.
None of your stupid pissing contest interested me enough to get involved in them. If you really think that pissing contests are constructive then you need to go back and read the 26 previous mafia's. Pissing contest are 90% of the time a complete waste of time. Right now I am waiting to see if someone new has been silenced. If no one is and no one get's silenced again tomorrow then I am thinking that Yellow/ruse was probably UB. Of course that will only work if no one gets silenced for today and tomorrow. I can't imagine someone have that power and not using it two days in a row.
As for you case against me, straw man.
Shadow;375089 said:
Gameleon, I don't feel that this is an adequate answer to Serc's case, you didn't crosspost, et reading the thread it appeared that you wanted it to look like you did in fact cross-post. I am not trying to pick on you, I just would like to hear a more detailed answer as to why you pretened to cross-post.
Gamelon;375092 said:
Actually I had two browsers open I was writing in one and looked over in the other one saw the Hammer, went back and posted. I wasn't pretending to cross-post I was however keeping a tight eye out on the votes and the time. If I had Alted that Ruse was yellow I would have voted for him the first time that I posted this morning. I actually had liked some of Ruse earlier arguments and was only going to hammer him to make sure that day one ended with a lynch.
Gamelon;375124 said:
I didn't edit it I just didn't erase hammer time. Seriously this is bullshit. And if this is the best that you got then you don't have shit. If you feel that it was a serious error in posting judgment then fucking vote for me.
Also this whole fucking thing is Staw man at it's best.
Also this whole fucking thing is Staw man at it's best.
Gamelon;375130 said:
Your case boiled down to one fucking post. Get real or get some real shit. If you think that it was serious put your money were your fingers are.
Kaschan;375478 said:
Back. Just did a quick catch up.
@Mockra. I said I was glad I knew what you were, because it was irritating me not knowing mainly. I was unhappy because it reduced the chance of paired finders, which I would have preffered to vigs(no offence).
I reckon Gamelon is refusing to defend because it stops people picking apart his arguments. Its worked before, just people refusing to post and avoiding lynching.
Voting for yourself is just pain aggravating, it annoys me to no end, and is a tactic I despise.
So for now:
Vote Gamelon
We cant take back the vig, so theres no point complaining over it. Tennes was being rather suspicious, and obnoxious. Its supicious, and leads me to wonder if you're just so upset because they hit UB or something. After all, we were told that someone would be silenced even if he was hit in the night. You're over-reacting.
@Mockra. I said I was glad I knew what you were, because it was irritating me not knowing mainly. I was unhappy because it reduced the chance of paired finders, which I would have preffered to vigs(no offence).
I reckon Gamelon is refusing to defend because it stops people picking apart his arguments. Its worked before, just people refusing to post and avoiding lynching.
Voting for yourself is just pain aggravating, it annoys me to no end, and is a tactic I despise.
So for now:
Vote Gamelon
We cant take back the vig, so theres no point complaining over it. Tennes was being rather suspicious, and obnoxious. Its supicious, and leads me to wonder if you're just so upset because they hit UB or something. After all, we were told that someone would be silenced even if he was hit in the night. You're over-reacting.
I am voting for myself cause I can't see straight and can barely work much less try to figure cases out. As for defending myself I already did that I am posting the whole thing so you can quit with the whole he isn't defending himself bullshit.
#626 Guest_Gamelon_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:36 PM
My head is pounding, and I really don't want to be stuck silenced and trying to post pictures to get a point across. I have had a cold since monday morning and every day I hope that it will get better. Instead it has gotten worse. I would rather not kill myself off but I doubt that I will be in much shape to contribute any more then what I have already.
#628 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:43 PM
Even if you dont think you will contribute, if you're inno getting yourself lynched doesnt help any of us.
Voting for yourself is just stupid, and a tactic thats really annoying.
Edit: I think Telas' last message was "cross-post"
Voting for yourself is just stupid, and a tactic thats really annoying.
Edit: I think Telas' last message was "cross-post"
#629 Guest_Telas_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:49 PM
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#630 Guest_Telas_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:50 PM
Kaschan;375495 said:
Even if you dont think you will contribute, if you're inno getting yourself lynched doesnt help any of us.
Voting for yourself is just stupid, and a tactic thats really annoying.
Edit: I think Telas' last message was "cross-post"
Voting for yourself is just stupid, and a tactic thats really annoying.
Edit: I think Telas' last message was "cross-post"
#632 Guest_Barghast_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:56 PM
Well I am off to bed now but will be back before Day end. Looking through Gamelons defense it is a little convincing, he did overreact though but I feel that way sometimes as well.
@Serc. Just a comment on your case on me.
As you know, the initial case on Fener was pretty limp at best, but somehow it managed to get 4 votes (Ruse, Gamelon, D'riss, Kaschan) + Shadow going to switch later. I find it rather strange and my thinking there is a reasonable chance one of those 5 is BB/UB.
A couple votes i'd ignore, but halfway to a lynch is definitly train forming stuff in such a short space of time.
Galain came along and made a case on Omtose, and you came along and said you thought it was weak it seemed something that no one in team evil would do. For me an evil seeing 4 (+1 to come) votes like that you'd either jump on that train or do what Shadow did, and not make up a case on someone else or argue against it.
So therefore at the time, Fener seemed a likely innocent, or at least nothing convinced me of his guilt, and I found you and Galain not that suspicious.
So when Telas made the 5 cases, I listed Gamelon and D'riss as my two favorites and Fener is third since his later postings are erratic and a little suspicious, and said both you and Galain are the least suspicous of those 5 of Telas's.
@Serc. Just a comment on your case on me.
As you know, the initial case on Fener was pretty limp at best, but somehow it managed to get 4 votes (Ruse, Gamelon, D'riss, Kaschan) + Shadow going to switch later. I find it rather strange and my thinking there is a reasonable chance one of those 5 is BB/UB.
A couple votes i'd ignore, but halfway to a lynch is definitly train forming stuff in such a short space of time.
Galain came along and made a case on Omtose, and you came along and said you thought it was weak it seemed something that no one in team evil would do. For me an evil seeing 4 (+1 to come) votes like that you'd either jump on that train or do what Shadow did, and not make up a case on someone else or argue against it.
So therefore at the time, Fener seemed a likely innocent, or at least nothing convinced me of his guilt, and I found you and Galain not that suspicious.
So when Telas made the 5 cases, I listed Gamelon and D'riss as my two favorites and Fener is third since his later postings are erratic and a little suspicious, and said both you and Galain are the least suspicous of those 5 of Telas's.
#633 Guest_Mockra_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:00 PM
Well....i just had a CUNT of a day at work.
Havent really been able to pay much attention to the game, im not very convinced about the gamelon case but his subsequent self vote is pretty much insuring his demise.
No one likes a self voter, we've been burned too many times...sigh
i am going home now...will check in to place a vote before i go to sleep, if need be.
I need lots of booze and my pillow
*grumble grumble*...fucking work...*grumble grumble*
Havent really been able to pay much attention to the game, im not very convinced about the gamelon case but his subsequent self vote is pretty much insuring his demise.
No one likes a self voter, we've been burned too many times...sigh
i am going home now...will check in to place a vote before i go to sleep, if need be.
I need lots of booze and my pillow
*grumble grumble*...fucking work...*grumble grumble*
#634 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:01 PM
Crap I thought Telas' last post meant pray if you want but don't go postal!
#636 Guest_Path-Shaper_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:28 PM
It is day 2, 11 hours left in the day
13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Liosan (Omtose)
5 votes Gamelon (Telas, Shadow, Gamelon, Serc, Kaschan)
7 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra)
13 players alive, 7 to lynch and to go to night
1 vote Liosan (Omtose)
5 votes Gamelon (Telas, Shadow, Gamelon, Serc, Kaschan)
7 have not voted (Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Galain, Hoods Path, Liosan, Mockra)
#637 Guest_D'riss_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:44 PM
I think we are making a tactical mistake if we lynch Gamelon. I talk purely about the meta-game/strategy here - it's no defense of the guy himself... so don't take it as such.
1. we will be wasting a lynch for a sick guy, who, if he really can't play, will (or should) be mod-killed. This creates a loss of tempo, for instead we could lynch a more troublesome person...
2. as long as he sick and can't play (or can play only by posting once a day to say he is alive but read little and build no cases), BB would likely not soulshift into Gamelon. It simply lessens the chance for evil to win due to his lack of playtime/concentration. BB will have to kill our finder(s) asap after he soulshifts, which will require a lot of attention/reading/thinking if he/they do(es) not reveal...
3. what will a lynch of Gamelon actually tell us if he is inno? He hasn't been leading or misleading, mainly repeating... He is a convenient target,but he isn't a threatening one... (oki, that is no strategy-reason, so skip over it).
The sole advantage of lynching him now would be to make it easier for a consenting group of inno's to build a train to a lynch. Any lynch will do for that purpose, though...
1. we will be wasting a lynch for a sick guy, who, if he really can't play, will (or should) be mod-killed. This creates a loss of tempo, for instead we could lynch a more troublesome person...
2. as long as he sick and can't play (or can play only by posting once a day to say he is alive but read little and build no cases), BB would likely not soulshift into Gamelon. It simply lessens the chance for evil to win due to his lack of playtime/concentration. BB will have to kill our finder(s) asap after he soulshifts, which will require a lot of attention/reading/thinking if he/they do(es) not reveal...
3. what will a lynch of Gamelon actually tell us if he is inno? He hasn't been leading or misleading, mainly repeating... He is a convenient target,but he isn't a threatening one... (oki, that is no strategy-reason, so skip over it).
The sole advantage of lynching him now would be to make it easier for a consenting group of inno's to build a train to a lynch. Any lynch will do for that purpose, though...
#638 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:50 PM
Well then D'riss, find a 'better' target for a lynch.
I built cases on Barghast and Fener, but noone has so much as commented on them (except for Barghast a little bit).
I personally don't think ending day 2 without a lynch is a good idea, so who do YOU think should be lynched, D'riss?
I built cases on Barghast and Fener, but noone has so much as commented on them (except for Barghast a little bit).
I personally don't think ending day 2 without a lynch is a good idea, so who do YOU think should be lynched, D'riss?
#639 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 05:52 PM
Who would you suggest instead.
I am open to any suggestions.
My vote is mainly on him because:
a) Self voting REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
B)I find refusing to defend suspicious
c)He is acting suspiciously, but there are cases on this so im not gonna list all the reasons.
You are assuming he is sick and not lying about it. Fair enough he could be, and its unproveable either way.
G2g for dinner. Back in half and hour-an hour. Talk more then.
I am open to any suggestions.
My vote is mainly on him because:
a) Self voting REALLY rubs me the wrong way.
B)I find refusing to defend suspicious
c)He is acting suspiciously, but there are cases on this so im not gonna list all the reasons.
You are assuming he is sick and not lying about it. Fair enough he could be, and its unproveable either way.
G2g for dinner. Back in half and hour-an hour. Talk more then.
#640 Guest_D'riss_*
Posted 27 August 2008 - 06:10 PM
I agree we should lynch - to prevent the tempo-loss I talked about.
Mockra has mentioned having some suspicion on you. Telas and I agree you're very aggressive. Could be an attempt of the killer/UB to steer the game. Telas even went so far as to call you a liar based on the quote you and I got into a fight over. You also opposed Tennes vehemently at the end of day 1, which speaks in your favor for some but doesn't for others.
Omtose has a vote on Liosan from early in the day. He may want to try and convince more people for his case, and maybe add to it.
There's the case on Fener who basically has the same going against him as Gamelon (but without the overreaction) not giving anything to build on but repeat others. Him being cool (compared to Gamelon) under the questioning/ screening could also be a levelheaded killer who knows he has very little to worry about until the votes ramp up.
Barghast has a list with me on it, and 1 other person (not using that as an argument against him - merely saying that a worthwhile lynchtarget can be found on that list). He's also avoiding Fener like the plague, as you mentioned. Fener's case didn't reveal a whole lot, though.
Telas is, now that he is UBed, suddenly spreading a lot of suspicion around (on 5 people). Didn't see him doing that on day 1. talking in pictures mean a legit need for simplification and simplification means it's harder to falsify based on content.
So, my list?
It's fairly short.
1) You (Serc).
2) Gamelon - for the overreaction - but I believe it a bad lynch for meta-reasons.
3) Telas.
Mockra has mentioned having some suspicion on you. Telas and I agree you're very aggressive. Could be an attempt of the killer/UB to steer the game. Telas even went so far as to call you a liar based on the quote you and I got into a fight over. You also opposed Tennes vehemently at the end of day 1, which speaks in your favor for some but doesn't for others.
Omtose has a vote on Liosan from early in the day. He may want to try and convince more people for his case, and maybe add to it.
There's the case on Fener who basically has the same going against him as Gamelon (but without the overreaction) not giving anything to build on but repeat others. Him being cool (compared to Gamelon) under the questioning/ screening could also be a levelheaded killer who knows he has very little to worry about until the votes ramp up.
Barghast has a list with me on it, and 1 other person (not using that as an argument against him - merely saying that a worthwhile lynchtarget can be found on that list). He's also avoiding Fener like the plague, as you mentioned. Fener's case didn't reveal a whole lot, though.
Telas is, now that he is UBed, suddenly spreading a lot of suspicion around (on 5 people). Didn't see him doing that on day 1. talking in pictures mean a legit need for simplification and simplification means it's harder to falsify based on content.
So, my list?
It's fairly short.
1) You (Serc).
2) Gamelon - for the overreaction - but I believe it a bad lynch for meta-reasons.
3) Telas.
