Malazan Empire: Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread) - Malazan Empire

first post nothing

Fener;374176 said:

second post nothing

Fener;374269 said:

third post a defense of Kashcans suspicions

Fener;374613 said:

4th 5th and 6th posts no one to talk to.

Fener;374621 said:

Fener;374625 said:

Fener;374626 said:

7th post

Fener;374637 said:

Bagahst says hello as well but nothing to talk abot I guess as he disappears for 7 hours
8th post

Fener;374760 said:

9th post Says there is nothing to elaborate on and disappears yet again

Fener;374621 said:

Fener;374625 said:

Fener;374781 said:

As a note in his edit box he says "yes I am bored again. Well maybe, just maybe if he was around more he wouldn't be bored! And that is what Fener has contributed thus far.

You are all welcome Remove Vote because I can't lynch HP for not contribuing if I didn't lynch Fener now could I?

Kaschan;375116 said:

I dislike Serc's overly aggressive style. Someone will reply that I'm hardly the one to be allowed to comment and they'd be (partially) right. Right now I think of Serc as an innocent trying to push until someone gives way and makes a slip. I'm just a bit fearful that he'll trample around like a rhino in heat in a Swarovski store and does more damage than good.

Also, Omtose's statement that one can treat this game like any other is unsettling. Few other games start anew with even the CI as possible suspects after the killer has been lynched/vigged. Some flexible thinking is required here. However, he is a CI at the least until we've lynched BB.

As for who could be guilty, I honestly have no idea at the moment. The low posters could be a source of killers - as always. The day is young and the work by Serc and Shadow could probably turn up something. I'll get me some tea and watch a movie. Will check in later.

Serc;375029 said:

Serc;374900 said:

Serc;375051 said:

Its things like this.
"Why are you lying" etc just seems rather agressive. A simple explanation would do.

You are not the only person doing this(gamelon also seems to) but I noticed you first.

This doesn't mean you're evil. Just thats I dislike people not just explaining when it is perfectly simple to.

For example, I have explained here, why I find you suspicious rather than. "Fuck off".

Although i've just seen gamelons post, so hes up there too.

Edit: Shadow-just a point to add to your lovely case. Feners defence was just WIFOM. Although atm im not inclined to go for a lynch on inactivity and wifom.

D said:

Ha! Rhino in heat in a Swarovski store... I like that.

Anyway, Omtose is right in that the game is just like any other UNTIL BB dies. Then, we start over, playing a much smaller game that is pretty much day1 all over again.

Joy. Day one all over again.(sarcasm btw)

I disagree. The fact that the killer has two lives and possibly a new ability (guard would probably be the worst) means that he stands to gain with a lynch once the numbers are sufficiently decreased.

It also means that he may attempt to lure roled players out into the open by sacrificing himself once. This is a whole new bag of trickery you need to take into consideration.

Now, on to the real question: Sin City or Cloverfield?

I dont suppose anyone has any idea who hasnt posted today so far?

The more people post the more probable it gets that we hit UB.

*climbs into wetsuit and prepares to weather the hail of thrown tomatoes*

Mockra and I are vigs. We killed Tennes. This reveal comes because it has significant bearing on the current state of the game.

Reasons:
His posting was quiet and reserved most of the day until it looked like Ruse was definitely going down. Then he got loud - and a little obnoxious. I felt pretty sure that Ruse was not roled, but might have been evil and it felt like Tennes was frantically trying to stall the day past the deadline without a lynch.

After the lynch he took on a very "I told you so" demeanor as characterised by lines like: "just because you guys hanged an inno player." - post 386... that one specifically was just about the scummiest thing anyone has said this game.

A minor point was the healer reveal thing. He never actually called for a healer reveal, just said he wanted Ruse to reveal healer if he was one. Both myself and Mockra disagree with this - but it would never have been enough by itself.
/Reasons

We did debate a little over whether we should kill at all. We decided that in the context of this game killing early was the better option.

I know I didn't post in the time around the lynch and haven't until now - but I was on though all my time was taken by reading up and discussing with Mockra.

@Shadow - I can agree to a truce in our pissing contest. Until you posted your case on me (although you knew I was innocent) I didn't really see where the hell you were getting the things you were accusing me of. Although you still didn't post any quotes that amount to direct evidence of your accusations, I could at least see where your misinterpretations were coming from.

Anyway, if I still harboured any significant suspicion of you, you'd be dead - not Tennes. I am a long way from being certain you're innocent, but there are other, quieter, fish to fry today.

With Respect to Kaschan's 465:

Mockra's 278

Mockra;374737 said:

My 281, 5 minutes later.

Omtose;374740 said:

D said:

When'd I say that... if I did I'm an idiot.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Glad I know what you are now. Vigs. Hmm, well thats a pity I suppose(not that we've got vigs, just that it reduces the chances of paired finders).

*tomato*

I'm a bit confused though.

If you killed Tennes, then why no nk from BB?

I think thats one of the main questions we must consider.

* throws second tomato

Vote Liosan

His post 462, the analysis on Telas, worries me greatly.

So he goes through Telas post and finds nothing scummy. In this situation you just make a post say something along the lines of, "I read through Telas's posts and I don't think he's a killer." Liosan, though, quoted a pile of Telas posts and then tells us there's nothing scummy in them. WTF? It was, in my opinion, a blatant attempt to make a contentless post look like it had content in it.

I'm supposed to be working at the moment, so I'll only be on sporadically over the next fe hours.

Omtose;375147 said:

My apologies. I just did a quick search on all your posts and if it was said, then it wasn't you. Weird, cause I really had the idea it WAS said and that it WAS you. Goes to show how fast one forgets/ assumes things.

Kaschan;375149 said:

Reasons for no nightkill from BB: Healer, Guard, Deception. All are fairly likely.

Anyway, this means the killer did not kill? Or, more likely, that he and you hit the same guy... Hmm.

Edit: double post with your reply on Kaschan which has more in it than I just asked.

Kaschan;375149 said:

BB was either guarded or his Target was healed, would be my guess. Or maybe BB hit Tennes as well.

Now, I personally don't see how a Guard or Healer reveal could help us right now, unless they are both paired and only one part of the pair reveals.
*note: I am not advocating that*

Still, it is good to know that it was the Vigs that hit Tennes, and that the most likely (in my mind) result last night was that BB hit one of the Confirmed Innos, and they were healed through, or they have a hidden BP.

I don't really want to see a whole lot of role discussing or anything from this, and I am being a hypocrate by saying that now, after I have done that.

Omtose;375153 said:

You think I'm scummy because I didn't find Telas scummy? Are you trying to say Telas is scum? Then why are you voting for me?

A couple of points:

1. If you think I am mistaken in my analysis of Telas, why don't you argue for it? It is possible there's something I haven't thought about.
2. I didn't mention the content of the posts, only the scummy-level.
3. I never discarded anything about Telas, he may be scum, but I didn't find any evidence of it.
4. Is there some kind of rule against analyzing a player and coming up empty? Wouldn't you be more concerned if I made something up?

That must be the most wifom argument I've ever seen. Congrats.

Liosan;375162 said:

I don't think that your conclusion on Telas was wrong, just that the way you presented it looks like someone who desperately wants to appear to be contributing.

In response to all you points 1 through 4. I didn't say there was anything wrong with going through someone's posts and finding nothing. I said that the way you quoted a pile of his posts, didn't comment on the content of any of them and ended of saying that you thought none of what you quoted was scummy is indicative of someone who wants very much to look like they're contributing more than they actually are.

That is not wifom.

I doubt tennes was hit by both.

Heal is entirely possible, though the odds are small.

HOWEVER: I think deception to try get a guard reveal+inno lynch is very probable.

Killer holds off kill.
Guard reveals-I guarded x.
x is lynched, turns out inno.
Killer knows who guard is.
Innos possibly lynch guard for killer.

Guard(s), do NOT reveal, unless you are ABSOLUTELY certain you are right.

In fact, for that matter, no one reveal, unless you are.

Edit: Liosan. You suck. You forgot to throw a tomato.

Goodnight.

School tommorow.

Will be back around half past 4pm gmt. Ought ot have time to do stuff tommorow. See you all then.