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*Yawn* Just woke up. Again, I don't have long till school, but here's me.
@ Shadow: no, I did not confuse Kaschan with Ruse, I merely confused myself a self-convince that Omtose was silenced. At your advice on being nice to my parents, ok...
Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)
#462 Guest_Liosan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:35 PM
In my attempt to be useful I have analyzed Telas' posts.
First post:
So far I've got nothing:
Fast forward a couple of pages until Telas joins the game for real.
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The defense of Ruse goes on. (I can't be arsed to quote all the posts)
At night he tries to build a case on Galain. Which I will comment on in a sec.
I didn't find anything on Telas, unless you want to interpret his smooth, flawless play as scummy. You could say that the case on Telas is that there is no case on Telas.
I would summarize the case on Galain as follows: he's a bit jumpy and/or aggressive but with no real content. Correct?
But there's a bunch of players that are jumpy/aggressive. Tennes was pretty aggressive for instance. I guess the content part is a valid point, although only 1 day has gone by.
First post:
Telas;374103 said:
Hey hey! I see Kaschan is silenced haha! 
They seem very good at it though, so I'm sure they won't mind that they'll likely have to do it for longer than usual, seeing as JA has made this day 48 hours long!
My early suspect is Galain for making so much fun of Kaschan's condition. Uncle Ben gloating at his handiwork?
Yeah, that's right, I've started playing seriously early!
They seem very good at it though, so I'm sure they won't mind that they'll likely have to do it for longer than usual, seeing as JA has made this day 48 hours long! My early suspect is Galain for making so much fun of Kaschan's condition. Uncle Ben gloating at his handiwork?
Yeah, that's right, I've started playing seriously early!
So far I've got nothing:
Telas;374109 said:
I'd say there's no way to tell really, i.e. give Kaschan the benefit of the doubt and wait till he can talk again. Also, BB is our main target, as he's the one who can kill us, so he's the one we should be looking for.
Fast forward a couple of pages until Telas joins the game for real.
Telas;374690 said:
Who's not these days, eh? 
I can't see why either UB or BB would want to code their partner's name - as has been pointed out it can't be a signal because they already know of each other.
However, it seems to me that Ruse is more an inno who got a bit eager to point something at Omtose because Omtose had targeted him - than an actual evil.
Could Fener elaborate on his explanation, please. He saw the same quote in the previous Benses game and decided to copy it, is that it? If so, it does seem like a bit of a tragic coincidence right now.
Back to Ruse/Mockra/Omtose. Having just read up on the thread, I can't say I've been too happy with Omtose's tactics, but it still struck me as a particularly aggressive inno. It seems to me that the evils would keep their heads down more than that. There's no real surprise with Mockra agreeing with Omtose - he's backing up his partner. Galain was the one who was suspicious to me at first, because of the amount of gloating he seemed to do over Kaschan's condition, but no one's going to go with that right now, so I'll drop it.
I'm sorry, Ruse, I just don't see what reason Mockra would have to code Omtose's name if they were both evil. I think a fake reveal at some point down the road is too complicated a notion.
I can't see why either UB or BB would want to code their partner's name - as has been pointed out it can't be a signal because they already know of each other.
However, it seems to me that Ruse is more an inno who got a bit eager to point something at Omtose because Omtose had targeted him - than an actual evil.
Could Fener elaborate on his explanation, please. He saw the same quote in the previous Benses game and decided to copy it, is that it? If so, it does seem like a bit of a tragic coincidence right now.
Back to Ruse/Mockra/Omtose. Having just read up on the thread, I can't say I've been too happy with Omtose's tactics, but it still struck me as a particularly aggressive inno. It seems to me that the evils would keep their heads down more than that. There's no real surprise with Mockra agreeing with Omtose - he's backing up his partner. Galain was the one who was suspicious to me at first, because of the amount of gloating he seemed to do over Kaschan's condition, but no one's going to go with that right now, so I'll drop it.
I'm sorry, Ruse, I just don't see what reason Mockra would have to code Omtose's name if they were both evil. I think a fake reveal at some point down the road is too complicated a notion.
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Telas;374707 said:
I think it was a player who had Omtose on the brain after that player's attacks on him. I agree with Tennes that this seems to be between three unlucky innos.
Telas;374720 said:
Yes, but UB is no normal symp. You have to think, would a symp with a power such as UB's really go and risk sacrificing themselves just to reveal this code to their master, knowing full well that there was then the possibility that the ones they've revealed might then get healed during night and stop the NK?
I think a UB can be more useful than just doing that. I think Ruse is an over-eager inno.
I think a UB can be more useful than just doing that. I think Ruse is an over-eager inno.
Telas;374767 said:
I second the plea to Fener to elaborate more on Kaschan's accusation of him. The drop-in vote looked dodgy in light of that.
Telas;374770 said:
For the record, I still don't see why Ruse, if he were UB, would knowingly risk it all like this. I don't buy for one second that it was a sacrifice reveal of another player's pairing. My suspects remain Galain and to an extent, Fener. Can someone remind me please, what is the suspicion of Shadow? Is this that whole strawwhatsit thing?
Telas;374837 said:
Sorry, Galain, at the moment it is just a gut thing 
If you like, I can make a case on you later? At the moment, it's just some reactions at the beginning of the game to Kaschan, but I'll look over all your posts and come to a more intellectually-based conclusion when I do. Sound fair?
The best argument I've seen for voting for Ruse is from Tennes, when they say that we should just get rid of them in order to sort out that business. I.e. he's not evil, but he's taking too much attention away from the evils with what happened. As it is, it looks like enough people are willing to vote for him at the end anyway, so I won't be party to it, and will not vote.
If you like, I can make a case on you later? At the moment, it's just some reactions at the beginning of the game to Kaschan, but I'll look over all your posts and come to a more intellectually-based conclusion when I do. Sound fair?The best argument I've seen for voting for Ruse is from Tennes, when they say that we should just get rid of them in order to sort out that business. I.e. he's not evil, but he's taking too much attention away from the evils with what happened. As it is, it looks like enough people are willing to vote for him at the end anyway, so I won't be party to it, and will not vote.
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The defense of Ruse goes on. (I can't be arsed to quote all the posts)
At night he tries to build a case on Galain. Which I will comment on in a sec.
I didn't find anything on Telas, unless you want to interpret his smooth, flawless play as scummy. You could say that the case on Telas is that there is no case on Telas.
I would summarize the case on Galain as follows: he's a bit jumpy and/or aggressive but with no real content. Correct?
But there's a bunch of players that are jumpy/aggressive. Tennes was pretty aggressive for instance. I guess the content part is a valid point, although only 1 day has gone by.
#463 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:38 PM
Hoods Path;375097 said:
*Yawn* Just woke up. Again, I don't have long till school, but here's me.
@ Shadow: no, I did not confuse Kaschan with Ruse, I merely confused myself a self-convince that Omtose was silenced. At your advice on being nice to my parents, ok...
@ Shadow: no, I did not confuse Kaschan with Ruse, I merely confused myself a self-convince that Omtose was silenced. At your advice on being nice to my parents, ok...
And wash your hands after you pee.
Seriousl though, are you going to be able to contribute or should we expect more of the same?
#464 Guest_Liosan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:39 PM
As for the other cases, 'lack of contribution' seems to be a favorite argument. However, I think we need to take into consideration that we've only started, and it's not easy for anyone of us to find anything useful to add. If you discount the huge attack posts people have been making, not much useful have been said by anyone.
I'm not trying to whine or anything.
I'll just go read cases/posts again.
I'm not trying to whine or anything.
I'll just go read cases/posts again.
#465 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:39 PM
Back.
What I don't get with HP is that he comes on just to post that he has to leave.
If thats the case, why post at all. Theres just no reason for a post of "g2g".
Also, HP posts something about mockra revealing as finder. I think i've missed something here.
At what point did either of the "CIs" with the code say they were finders.
I may have missed something.
No offence, but i'm not sure why they're considered CI at all. A code just isnt enough. If it was, killers would use them more for fake reveal later. My main thing on them is "gut feeling", which as i'm sure you'll agree to, isnt really enough, I'm just not particularly keen on how omtose was playing. This doesnt mean hes a killer. Is there some other reason why they seem to be considered CI(theyve been referred to as it several times). As i've said, I dont think a code is enough.
I'd also be interested to know if you(omtose and mockra) revealed as anything, cause I cant remember it happening, and i'm damned if I can think of a good reason why not to, if its "known" they're roled anyway due to the codes, then why not say what you are. If there is a good reason, point it out(don't reveal just because I cant see a good reason, it certainly doesnt mean there isnt one). Whether we know what you are or not isn't likely to make he killers change who theyre going for,and it seems likely to be you. Lets face it, they want to hit roled innos. I reckon the only reason one of you wasnt targetted(assuming you are inno) was cause a healer is very likely still to be out there, and healing one of you. The only thing that comes to mind why not to say what you are is the chance of another saying "actually, you're not. I am".
If there is another reason, could someone point it out to me. Or if they have said and i've missed it.
I'm just not sure you're CI. I'm not sure you're scum either, but I really don't think half a code is enough evidence for me, and I cant remember seeing any other evidence. I'm sceptical.
What I don't get with HP is that he comes on just to post that he has to leave.
If thats the case, why post at all. Theres just no reason for a post of "g2g".
Also, HP posts something about mockra revealing as finder. I think i've missed something here.
At what point did either of the "CIs" with the code say they were finders.
I may have missed something.
No offence, but i'm not sure why they're considered CI at all. A code just isnt enough. If it was, killers would use them more for fake reveal later. My main thing on them is "gut feeling", which as i'm sure you'll agree to, isnt really enough, I'm just not particularly keen on how omtose was playing. This doesnt mean hes a killer. Is there some other reason why they seem to be considered CI(theyve been referred to as it several times). As i've said, I dont think a code is enough.
I'd also be interested to know if you(omtose and mockra) revealed as anything, cause I cant remember it happening, and i'm damned if I can think of a good reason why not to, if its "known" they're roled anyway due to the codes, then why not say what you are. If there is a good reason, point it out(don't reveal just because I cant see a good reason, it certainly doesnt mean there isnt one). Whether we know what you are or not isn't likely to make he killers change who theyre going for,and it seems likely to be you. Lets face it, they want to hit roled innos. I reckon the only reason one of you wasnt targetted(assuming you are inno) was cause a healer is very likely still to be out there, and healing one of you. The only thing that comes to mind why not to say what you are is the chance of another saying "actually, you're not. I am".
If there is another reason, could someone point it out to me. Or if they have said and i've missed it.
I'm just not sure you're CI. I'm not sure you're scum either, but I really don't think half a code is enough evidence for me, and I cant remember seeing any other evidence. I'm sceptical.
#466 Guest_Hoods Path_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:40 PM
And...I'm out again. But I did get a good understanding of recent circumstances. Who is silenced, by the way? No sign of the newly silenced? Hopefully I'll be able to contribute a hell of a lot more when I come back, but no promises.
#467 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:42 PM
With luck there will be no newly silenced. If ruse was UB, which personally I doubt.
Funny how you assume that there will be someone else silenced...
Funny how you assume that there will be someone else silenced...
#468 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:42 PM
Kaschan,
The two Benses cannot communicate off-thread, which means, due to the way the code was revealed between Omtose and Mockra, they have to be communicating off thread.
So they are either one of the pairs, or they are cheating.
As for me, I am curious as to what their role is, but I don't want them revealing in the thread, irregardless of what it is, right now.
The two Benses cannot communicate off-thread, which means, due to the way the code was revealed between Omtose and Mockra, they have to be communicating off thread.
So they are either one of the pairs, or they are cheating.
As for me, I am curious as to what their role is, but I don't want them revealing in the thread, irregardless of what it is, right now.
#469 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:45 PM
Ah. Thank you.
Fair enough, im willing to accept they're CI.
Theres no need to reveal.
Fair enough, im willing to accept they're CI.
Theres no need to reveal.
#470 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:58 PM
Liosan;375101 said:
As for the other cases, 'lack of contribution' seems to be a favorite argument. However, I think we need to take into consideration that we've only started, and it's not easy for anyone of us to find anything useful to add. If you discount the huge attack posts people have been making, not much useful have been said by anyone.
I'm not trying to whine or anything.
I'll just go read cases/posts again.
I'm not trying to whine or anything.
I'll just go read cases/posts again.
Just to clarify, everyone is making cases, I am shooting for lack of contribution, Kas seems to be just looking at everyone, and Serc looked at D'riss seeming to be helpful but not really being helpful. Now I am looking hard at Fener and I am going to post all 9 of his posts.
#471 Guest_Gamelon_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 07:59 PM
Serc;375093 said:
If that is the truth Gamelon, why didn't you say that in your original 'defense' post?
Why did you write the post as you did, seemingly pretending to edit it, if you saw that I had hammered and you were just commenting on it?
Why did you write the post as you did, seemingly pretending to edit it, if you saw that I had hammered and you were just commenting on it?
Why did you decide to hammer him with out waiting for the full time to run down? hmmmm. Lets not give him every chance to defend himself.
What was I seeming to edit? Please quote it. I don't have the time to go back and try to figure out what the fuck you are talking about. Either I edit something or I don't if I do then I leave a reason.
You obviously didn't think a lot of your case against me cause you didn't vote. That is all of the pissing contest that I am going to get into right now. I will be back on in 4 or 5 hours we can pick it back up then.
#472 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:02 PM
Not looking at everyone.
Was looking at fener, but now im not, cause of not over-reaction.
Was looking at Omtose/Mockra, because I was confused and didnt understnand something.
Am looking mainly at Serc, for his over-reactions and agressive play.
Also i'm looking at low posters slightly, just because they dont get lynched often, and you cant tell anything about them, making it a very easy place for killers to hide, so they worry me.
Was looking at fener, but now im not, cause of not over-reaction.
Was looking at Omtose/Mockra, because I was confused and didnt understnand something.
Am looking mainly at Serc, for his over-reactions and agressive play.
Also i'm looking at low posters slightly, just because they dont get lynched often, and you cant tell anything about them, making it a very easy place for killers to hide, so they worry me.
#473 Guest_Shadow_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:02 PM
Gamelon;375112 said:
Why did you decide to hammer him with out waiting for the full time to run down? hmmmm. Lets not give him every chance to defend himself.
What was I seeming to edit? Please quote it. I don't have the time to go back and try to figure out what the fuck you are talking about. Either I edit something or I don't if I do then I leave a reason.
You obviously didn't think a lot of your case against me cause you didn't vote. That is all of the pissing contest that I am going to get into right now. I will be back on in 4 or 5 hours we can pick it back up then.
What was I seeming to edit? Please quote it. I don't have the time to go back and try to figure out what the fuck you are talking about. Either I edit something or I don't if I do then I leave a reason.
You obviously didn't think a lot of your case against me cause you didn't vote. That is all of the pissing contest that I am going to get into right now. I will be back on in 4 or 5 hours we can pick it back up then.
No need to quote you said HAMMERTIME OOPS BEAT ME TO IT like it was an edit. yet it wasn't an edit it was a solid post. It makes no sense to say hammer time like you are about to drop the hammer and then say oops you beat me to it.
#474 Guest_Gamelon_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:07 PM
Shadow;375117 said:
No need to quote you said HAMMERTIME OOPS BEAT ME TO IT like it was an edit. yet it wasn't an edit it was a solid post. It makes no sense to say hammer time like you are about to drop the hammer and then say oops you beat me to it.
I didn't edit it I just didn't erase hammer time. Seriously this is bullshit. And if this is the best that you got then you don't have shit. If you feel that it was a serious error in posting judgment then fucking vote for me.
Also this whole fucking thing is Staw man at it's best.
#475 Guest_Liosan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:08 PM
Shadow;375110 said:
Just to clarify, everyone is making cases, I am shooting for lack of contribution, Kas seems to be just looking at everyone, and Serc looked at D'riss seeming to be helpful but not really being helpful. Now I am looking hard at Fener and I am going to post all 9 of his posts.
Yes of course. And the cases will (hopefully) get better as longer the game goes on.
@Kas, why are you not looking at Fener? Maybe we don't have much on him, but I still would like more of an explanation than he has given so far.
#476 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:09 PM
Kaschan;375116 said:
Am looking mainly at Serc, for his over-reactions and agressive play.
What over-reactions, might I ask?
Gamelon said:
Why did you decide to hammer him with out waiting for the full time to run down? hmmmm. Lets not give him every chance to defend himself.
Gamelon said:
What was I seeming to edit? Please quote it. I don't have the time to go back and try to figure out what the fuck you are talking about. Either I edit something or I don't if I do then I leave a reason.
Gamelon said:
You obviously didn't think a lot of your case against me cause you didn't vote. That is all of the pissing contest that I am going to get into right now. I will be back on in 4 or 5 hours we can pick it back up then.
I was waiting to see what your response would be before I voted. Right now, your failure to address some of the points and your insisting that you don't see or understand what I am pointing out are a bit frustrating.
I will not be around in 4-5 hours, most likely, but hopefully someone will be one to discuss things with you.
@Shadow, I looked at Gamelon, not D'riss.
Edit: crosspost with 474 and 475
#477 Guest_Kaschan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:11 PM
Im not looking at fener because the PM thing that could me suspicious wasnt much, and all I was doing was trying to see if I could get a massive guilty-over reaction. I didnt so i'm not very suspicious.
I dont like the amount hes contributing but lots of people are doing that.
Also Serc seems more suspicious to me, with his agressive play and over-reactions.
I dont like the amount hes contributing but lots of people are doing that.
Also Serc seems more suspicious to me, with his agressive play and over-reactions.
#478 Guest_Gamelon_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:12 PM
Serc;375127 said:
What over-reactions, might I ask?
I voted 20 minutes before end-of-day, because everyone who claimed to be willing to vote for him didn't seem to be around So you can't even be bothered to know what you post? I quoted it in my case, and you completely ignored it in your 'response'.
I was waiting to see what your response would be before I voted. Right now, your failure to address some of the points and your insisting that you don't see or understand what I am pointing out are a bit frustrating.
I will not be around in 4-5 hours, most likely, but hopefully someone will be one to discuss things with you.
I voted 20 minutes before end-of-day, because everyone who claimed to be willing to vote for him didn't seem to be around So you can't even be bothered to know what you post? I quoted it in my case, and you completely ignored it in your 'response'.
I was waiting to see what your response would be before I voted. Right now, your failure to address some of the points and your insisting that you don't see or understand what I am pointing out are a bit frustrating.
I will not be around in 4-5 hours, most likely, but hopefully someone will be one to discuss things with you.
Your case boiled down to one fucking post. Get real or get some real shit. If you think that it was serious put your money were your fingers are.
#479 Guest_Serc_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:13 PM
Gamelon, I dub the 'over-reaction man!'.
If my 'case' is crappy, why are you swearing and getting so angry?
If my 'case' is crappy, why are you swearing and getting so angry?
#480 Guest_Liosan_*
Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:15 PM
Kaschan;375129 said:
Im not looking at fener because the PM thing that could me suspicious wasnt much, and all I was doing was trying to see if I could get a massive guilty-over reaction. I didnt so i'm not very suspicious.
I dont like the amount hes contributing but lots of people are doing that.
I dont like the amount hes contributing but lots of people are doing that.
Fair enough, but I personally would like more of an explanation from Fener.
