Malazan Empire: Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread) - Malazan Empire

Barghast;374670 said:

The pointing out is no nice find. Nor did I say that. Stop making a bogus argument on what you preceive as the general gist of my argument.

Finding extra information is a nice find, and I'll stand by it.
But that's all, for I disagree with what happened next (revealing it). What Ruse should have done is keep it secret (as I said), analyze it, and try to determine what the relation/ role is. If he became convinced they were Finders, our most powerful tool, well, Ruse (assuming he's an inno) could then follow their lead and support them, or divert attention away from them when they came under fire. Wouldn't be the first time an inno who has decrypted a Finder code acted as their symp (or rather, helpful innocent bystander, to steer away from scummy role names).

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Sure. And if he is guilty, Omtose will (90% chance) also say he hasn't got a clue why his name was coded, just to avoid becoming a target. When they are partnered, they may do the exact same thing to distance.

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I agree with the first part, especially how team evil knows each other from the outset, however, all we have is a one-way-connection. Since there's no real clue in the game's description which inno roles are paired and which aren't, I'd say the scum might try it or keep it open as an escapehatch.

Also because BB will survive his first lynch/vig-kill, a fake reveal followed by a counter would give him a great deal of information at a relatively low price - far lower than in a normal game.

Here, just reading up.

@ Barghast: as for hanging Omtose first... I find Ruse's reasoning relatively reasonable in his case/ codebreak as to why BB would be the one whose name was coded.

More, if we hang UB, then we get an inno result and a lot of WIFOM for day 2 whether or not UB is dead. We'll know for certain if we catch BB - who will then soulshift.

Best if none of our finders have revealed up to that moment, or he will soulshift into one, then NK the other, ask for a heal from the healers for the remainder of the game 'while he searches', and so protect himself against the vigs while he picks off all the others one by one.

vote ruse
for exposing lovers to his master.

yea i fucked up...omtose told me not to put in a code but i had already done it, and it was a shit easy code aswell (i was SERIOUSLY hungover gimme a break). I didnt expect there to be a rabbid post searching person looking for codes.

My only conclusion is that either BB or UB would be looking for codes since he knows that there are lovers.
UB would have to signal his master to kill one of us somehow, so i suggest we lynch ruse for outing lovers.

My bad for the codes..sorry omtose

Why would any symp EVER code his masters name in his posts.
Its something only innos do. And no inno would ever out someone if he spots a code.
Onloy innos code. A symp MIGHT code but he would only reveal after the person he coded dies. So if ruse was inno he sould have waited till mockra died at least.

we are a pair of lovers, i am not going to tell you our powers as we can still potentially block a night kill. If the killers are brave enough.

I also urge the healer to heal one of us tonight wich will increase our chances of blocking a night kill by allot more.

Once again my humblest apologies to omtose for my fuck up.

It is day 1, 6 hours and 15 minutes left

15 players alive, 8 to lynch and to go to night

1 vote Shadow (Omtose)
3 votes Omtose (Shadow, Galain, Ruse)
3 votes Fener (Gamelon, Kaschan, D'riss)
1 vote Ruse (Mockra)

7 have not voted (Barghast, Fener, Hoods Path, Liosan, Serc, Telas, Tennes)

Shadow, galain and Ruse.

Id bet a case of beer that one of these is scum.
Driss aswell, for LOVING how ruse outed the lovers.

If you ARE the finder, and revealing Omtose as your partner, then what we shouldn't do is lynch one of you as the BB would kill of the other one. This assuming your "reveal" is accurate. But what if you're pulling our legs? Anybody thinking that Mockra ISN'T the finder? Not that the "true" finders, if any are going to reveal themselves. Not that I'm saying I'm a finder. Quoting The Shawshank Redemption:
Everybody in here's innocent.

ok...well let me tell you we are NOT the finders.

So thats why i am not too worried about revealing.
But i didnt reveal, Ruse OUTED us.

Sorry...but who the hell looks for codes when you are innocent?
Only time i have ever looked for codes is when i was scum and was trying to find lovers.

Barghast;374661 said:

Who's not these days, eh?


I can't see why either UB or BB would want to code their partner's name - as has been pointed out it can't be a signal because they already know of each other.

However, it seems to me that Ruse is more an inno who got a bit eager to point something at Omtose because Omtose had targeted him - than an actual evil.


Could Fener elaborate on his explanation, please. He saw the same quote in the previous Benses game and decided to copy it, is that it? If so, it does seem like a bit of a tragic coincidence right now.

Back to Ruse/Mockra/Omtose. Having just read up on the thread, I can't say I've been too happy with Omtose's tactics, but it still struck me as a particularly aggressive inno. It seems to me that the evils would keep their heads down more than that. There's no real surprise with Mockra agreeing with Omtose - he's backing up his partner. Galain was the one who was suspicious to me at first, because of the amount of gloating he seemed to do over Kaschan's condition, but no one's going to go with that right now, so I'll drop it.

I'm sorry, Ruse, I just don't see what reason Mockra would have to code Omtose's name if they were both evil. I think a fake reveal at some point down the road is too complicated a notion.

Mockra;374684 said:

I'd add Gamelon to that list as well. Not sure about Galain though. D'riss seems a likely scummy sort.

I think Mockra though, you are going to have to reveal your role. Everyone with a role is still alive so we can confirm if you are telling the truth or not. There is no doubt you and Omtose are going to be targeted so hiding what role is pretty pointless.

Anyway I think I have to vote Ruse as well but could change to D'riss.

Vote Ruse

Mockra;374684 said:

Sigh. Think of me what you will, but I pointed out already to Barghast that I thought it was a good find by Ruse by himself - but thought the entire follow-up unwise.

Actually Mockra I'll take that back after some more thinking. I am happy enough that you and Omtose are innocent, and I'd rather keep BB and UB guessing.

Not sure if it will matter much mind you though.

Barghast;374691 said:

I dont see any reason why we should.
If we can prove that we can communicate off thread it should be enough.

Revealing exactly what our role can do is just helping the scumm if you ask me?

In fact why do you insist?

Barghast;374695 said:

aah mkay

Mockra;374696 said:

I read Hoods Path post about not trusting the reveal and went with that. Then I read the roles post and saw that UB and BB can't communicate between each other and changed my mind. Its my next post down you'll see it soon

Mockra;374696 said:

dont reveal your role, proving you can comm off thread is more than enough prove as a symp shouldnt be able to speak to his master. As to why a killer might code a name randomly, if mockra was BB and killed omtose tonight he could reveal later int he game as a paired player if under pressure. Dubious tactic, but a straightforward code in your first post is suicide territory when there are obviously players lookign out for that sort of thing.

As to the fener argument, i find it slightly ridiculous that people are voting for him, seriously we have all been roled before, how often do we just send a name to path shaper with our action beside it. Explanations are in the build up maybe, but the game hadnt even started yet.

It is also very doubtful that ja would simply forward the message on. Like any mod the fun is in the execution and embellishing or revelling in an action taking place is the whole point of modding.

As for my bet on who is evil, i am inclined to believe ruse, omtose and mockra are innos who are just very unlucky. Fener could well be UB or BB, but the reason cited is too ridiculous for me to warranta vote on it.

Personally i find shadow the most suspicious

Shadow;374616 said:

mostly because of this. He is pointing out a dire situation that a player is in, offering them a helpful hint in trying to extracate them self from it, but claiming he will hamemr them. That sounds like something a symp would do, especially when their master is a soul shifter. He could even be BB and fener is actually UB, i am not sure, but with omtose being PI, shadow by disassociation looks more guilty in my mind and this post stood out to me as particularly scummy.

So what do you guys make of the fact that ruse was looking for codes?

vote shadow

Knew i forgot something.

Mockra;374703 said:

I think it was a player who had Omtose on the brain after that player's attacks on him. I agree with Tennes that this seems to be between three unlucky innos.

remove voteif that code was scum, it is well played. I don't buy it as scum though.